Is Bush ill? He looks like he's sufferred a stroke. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

host · 10-17-2004, 02:02 AM

During the third debate, it was very apparent to me that the left side of
Bush's mouth displayed an obvious droop when he was not speaking. When I
searched the internet after the debate, I found nothing on this subject that
verified that anyone else had noticed the same thing. I found nothing in these
searches, and I suspected I was influenced by a similar facial expression of
a family member who recently suffered a stroke that left her with a similar
"look" to what I detected on Bush's face. Now....new searches reveal that
I'm not the only one who noticed.......

Quote:

After watching the third presidential debate Wednesday night, Dr. W. Kendall Tongier, M.D. of Dallas, Texas posted on the Dallas Morning News Web site about his concerns that the President may have had a stroke. The anesthesiologist, who has been in practice for 15 years, wrote: "Having watched the first two debates from start to finish, I was looking forward to listening to a spirited debate between Bush and Kerry. Unfortunately, I barely heard a word that was said. Instead, I found myself staring at and concentrating on the President's drooping mouth.

"As a physician and a professor, I tend to pick up on signs and symptoms of physical problems better than most other people. I am highly concerned with what I saw. The drooping left side of the President's face, his mouth and nasolabial fold (the crease in the face running from the nostril to the side of mouth) may be indicative of a recent stroke, TIA (transient ischemic attack)) or, possibly botox injections. I sincerely hope this was nothing more than botox injections. The other options are truly scary given an upcoming election for President in three weeks." In a phone interview, Dr. Tongier stressed that he's not a neurologist, and no doctor can make a diagnosis from a 90-minute debate. But he did explain why he found Bush's face so distracting Wednesday night: "It struck me across the face to the point where I wasn't really listening to the debate. It looked like the left side of his mouth was downturned. You know how he sneers at times. At first I thought that's what it was, but it didn't change when his face was at rest. It changed when he talked, but you'd expect that. It's the loss of muscle tone there that's really kind of concerning. And it was pretty much persistent throughout the entire debate."

Dr. Tongier isn't the only one wondering if the President's had a stroke. And the fact that President Bush skipped his annual check-up this year, right before the election is only fanning the speculation.

Dr. Tongier, who says that he's a Kerry supporter, but that "my medical opinion is non-partisan," adds that Bush's drooping could well be nothing to be alarmed about: "It certainly could be something as benign as an overzealous botox injection, which causes the paralysis, which is essentially how botox works. A lot of people will get them around the nasolabial fold to decrease those lines. If it's botox, it can be a short-term reaction after an injection. It could last for 24 hours and be gone. But I'd like to see the Bush campaign at least give an explanation." <a href=""></a>

<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+mouth+droop+stroke&btnG=Google+Search">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+mouth+droop+stroke&btnG=Google+Search</a>

And there are reports that Bush has postponed his yearly physical exam.
(taken in the month of August in the three previous years):

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Bush postpones election-year doctor's visit
Washington News

- WASHINGTON (AFP) Tuesday October 05, 2004

After undergoing his annual medical check-up in August 2001, 2002 and 2003, US President George W. Bush has put the procedure off this year until after the November 2 election, his spokesman said.

Bush, locked in a neck-and-neck race for the White House with Democratic Senator John Kerry, is in "great health" and got the green light for the decision from his doctors, spokesman Scott McClellan told AFP.

"This has been a busier travel period for the president than the previous three years," the spokesman said.

Bush, 58, is known as an avid physical fitness buff who switched from running to mountain biking earlier this year after hurting his knee.

"The president, like other Americans, talked with his doctors about when to have his physical. They felt it was perfectly fine to do it later this year," said McClellan. "The president is an active person who is physically fit and in great health."

Bush underwent his three previous physicals as president in the first week of August in 2001, 2002 and 2003. He was given a clean bill of health after all three.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041005/pl_afp/us_vote_bush_health_041005233908">http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041005/pl_afp/us_vote_bush_health_041005233908</a>

Either this entire post is baseless, or the supposed "liberal media" is giving
Bush a near total "pass" on this news about his undisclosed health problems!

SecretMethod70 · 10-17-2004, 04:20 AM

I actually noticed the same thing and thought "it's like the left side of his face is paralyzed or something"

Honestly though, I think it's probably nothing.

Gatorade Frost · 10-17-2004, 04:36 AM

It will be interesting to see what happens. I missed all three debates for one reason or another, so I'll have to do a bit of news scanning to see if I can find a picture.

tecoyah · 10-17-2004, 04:47 AM

Maybe he was just trying too hard not to Snarl.....I am bieng totally serious here.

martinguerre · 10-17-2004, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

Maybe he was just trying too hard not to Snarl.....I am bieng totally serious here.

that's it for me. he was perfectly expressive in the first debate. it just made him look like a angry monkey, instead of a monkey that had a brain injury.

jonjon42 · 10-17-2004, 06:50 AM

yeah I kept staring at that too. I have no idea why he looked like that but quite a few of the pre-med guys I know thought it looked like stroke...But it could have just been a weird camera angle or something...

pan6467 · 10-17-2004, 07:09 AM

It doesn't have to be a stroke, he could have Bell's Palsy (or facial paralysis). It causes part of your face to go numb and will give it that "stroke" appearence. Bell's Palsy also can come and go usually lasting a few days to a couple weeks. It's relatively harmless.

LINK: http://www.bellspalsy.ws/

As for him missing his physical I wouldn't read much into that either. With the campaign and all he just may have postponed it until after the election.

Cowman · 10-17-2004, 07:45 AM

could have had a cavity filled and his mouth was still numb..

hey..its possible

mattevil · 10-17-2004, 12:43 PM

anybody remember the infamous hump from the first debate?
maybe it was this http://www.lifecor.com/about_lifevest/when_to_use.asp .
I mean the guy supposedly did cocaine in his college years which would make more at risk for a heart attack.

MSD · 10-17-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mattevil

anybody remember the infamous hump from the first debate?
maybe it was this http://www.lifecor.com/about_lifevest/when_to_use.asp .
I mean the guy supposedly did cocaine in his college years which would make more at risk for a heart attack.

I'm still assuming it's the back of a kevlar vest. It would make sense for the president to wear one in a public area, wouldn't it?

pottsynz · 10-18-2004, 02:17 AM

You're all wrong, the devil loosened one of the strings.

10-17-2004, 04:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	I actually noticed the same thing and thought "it's like the left side of his face is paralyzed or something" Honestly though, I think it's probably nothing. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

10-17-2004, 04:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Maybe he was just trying too hard not to Snarl.....I am bieng totally serious here. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

10-17-2004, 06:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
jonjon42 Psycho Location: inside my own mind	yeah I kept staring at that too. I have no idea why he looked like that but quite a few of the pre-med guys I know thought it looked like stroke...But it could have just been a weird camera angle or something... __________________ A damn dirty hippie without the dirty part....

10-17-2004, 07:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	It doesn't have to be a stroke, he could have Bell's Palsy (or facial paralysis). It causes part of your face to go numb and will give it that "stroke" appearence. Bell's Palsy also can come and go usually lasting a few days to a couple weeks. It's relatively harmless. LINK: http://www.bellspalsy.ws/ As for him missing his physical I wouldn't read much into that either. With the campaign and all he just may have postponed it until after the election. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

10-17-2004, 07:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Cowman Psycho	could have had a cavity filled and his mouth was still numb.. hey..its possible __________________ You don't like my point of view..but im insane

10-17-2004, 04:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gatorade Frost Rookie	It will be interesting to see what happens. I missed all three debates for one reason or another, so I'll have to do a bit of news scanning to see if I can find a picture.

10-17-2004, 12:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
mattevil Addict Location: Virginia	anybody remember the infamous hump from the first debate? maybe it was this http://www.lifecor.com/about_lifevest/when_to_use.asp . I mean the guy supposedly did cocaine in his college years which would make more at risk for a heart attack.

10-18-2004, 02:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
pottsynz Crazy	You're all wrong, the devil loosened one of the strings.