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Karby · 10-06-2004, 05:08 PM

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Oct. 6: Charles Duelfer told Congress that Saddam Hussein deliberately misled the world about weapons to intimidate his real enemy, Iran.

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disappointing? yeah.
surprising? no...
i mean c'mon, it's not like you didn't see it coming. i know i did...well...sorta *shrugs*

Boo · 10-06-2004, 06:04 PM

He couldn't find them, so they don't exist.

I still don't buy it. Never will. They are there or have been moved to another country. Someday they will show up, til then we need to be very very careful.

nothingx · 10-06-2004, 06:30 PM

Are you kidding? The United States has more stock piles of weapons of mass destruction than Iraq ever did. This shit is sitting uncovered in 1,818 ton containers in my back yard, while inspectors can't find one drop in Iraq. Do you have any idea how hypocritical that looks?

whocarz · 10-07-2004, 02:10 AM

I'm glad we have such a large pile of weapons. I like to think of it as a little insurance against a hostile world...

cookkee · 10-07-2004, 02:26 AM

would that stockpile help against a neucular attack ??

feelgood · 10-07-2004, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

He couldn't find them, so they don't exist.

I still don't buy it. Never will. They are there or have been moved to another country. Someday they will show up, til then we need to be very very careful.

Didn't Rumsfield say that there was never WMD?

tecoyah · 10-07-2004, 05:56 AM

It seems to me a given , at this point that the weapons do not exist. As the ties to OBL and his orginaization have also been disproven, it is likely the administration will need to create a new reason for the justification of invasion, and occupation. That said, there could very well be a huge stockpile of WMDs' buried in Iraq.....but to assume they are there in an attempt to back up an obviously poor judgement call by our leadership is simply a weak position.
Hopefully, we will hear the truth from our government at some point in the future, but this is sadly, not likely. Perhaps when the guard is changed, the blatant propoganda, and outright deception will come to light.

One can certainly hope....but my expectations are low at this point.

TheKak · 10-07-2004, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

He couldn't find them, so they don't exist.

I still don't buy it. Never will. They are there or have been moved to another country. Someday they will show up, til then we need to be very very careful.

So if some police pull you over and search your car because you look suspicious, and they don't find anything, is it ok for them to throw you in jail for possesion of drugs because they just assume that they were there but got moved? Now what if a judge convicted you of said charges because the police say "they must have been moved" but have no real proof other than assumption, is that cool with you?

silent sleeper · 10-07-2004, 06:46 AM

From a UK perspective this whole thing is a mess. Tony Blair is getting some serious critisism and rightly so. He has taken this country to war on a false premise and/or a willingness to follow a man who the majority of this country just don't trust.

I look at the situation and all I see are countries acting unilaterally with little or no evidence.

We all want to live in a safe environment but is this the way to achieve it?

timalkin · 10-07-2004, 07:07 PM

Saddam had the burden of proof. He failed to prove that he didn't have WMD, yet the UN did squat about it. Somebody had to step up to the plate. Thankfully we still have a few good leaders who aren't scared to do what needs to be done.

nothingx · 10-07-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by timalkin

Saddam had the burden of proof. He failed to prove that he didn't have WMD, yet the UN did squat about it. Somebody had to step up to the plate. Thankfully we still have a few good leaders who aren't scared to do what needs to be done.

Burden of proof? You mean show the entire world including his neighbor and largest enemy that he was completely unarmed and defenseless? Iran would've invaded in two seconds had he done that. How can you really believe that sacrificing over one thousand of your own is "what needs to be done?" What gives the United States of America the authority to be the world police? Our superior information sources? The lack of WoMD in Iraq is resounding evidence that we shouldn't be getting into shit that we don't know shit about in the first place.

timalkin · 10-08-2004, 11:04 AM

Hey, I wasn't the one who placed the burden of proof on Saddam. The mighty U.N. did that, then failed to back up their threats. What a waste of time and money.

It seems like the United States started playing more of a role in world affairs when the world went to shit in both world wars before we stepped up. An ounce of prevention and all that...

Lebell · 10-08-2004, 01:10 PM

Moved to Politics.

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daswig · 10-10-2004, 10:35 PM

buried in the report is the fact that they did indeed find 50+ WMDs, of 1980's vintage, in Iraq. How many WMDs did they need to find to find WMDs? Isn't 50 enough?

host · 10-10-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

buried in the report is the fact that they did indeed find 50+ WMDs, of 1980's vintage, in Iraq. How many WMDs did they need to find to find WMDs? Isn't 50 enough?

Let's see....that's 21 dead U.S. troops for each 20 year old weapon, and
$2.5 billion war expediture....so far....per weapon. Bush was authorized by
congress to go to war to

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(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq;
<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html</a>

I submit that the Dueffler weapons inpsection report and the 9/11 Comission
report make it clear that Bush had no justification to take the U.S. to war
against Iraq. By defending Bush and this pathetic outcome of no signifigatn
WMD discovery, 1069 dead U.S. troops, the devastation of Iraq and of
innocent Iraqis, the destabalization of Iraq and the middle east that insures
a huge expense in material and U.S. manpower for the forseeable future,
and the unintended but predictable strenghtening of Iran via the destruction
of the Iraqi military, you enbale and encourage Bush to pursue further
illegal international acts of aggression and his penchant for acting unaccountable and secretive to the American people and the other branches
of our government !

10-06-2004, 06:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Boo Leave me alone! Location: Alaska, USA	He couldn't find them, so they don't exist. I still don't buy it. Never will. They are there or have been moved to another country. Someday they will show up, til then we need to be very very careful. __________________ Back button again, I must be getting old.

10-07-2004, 02:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	I'm glad we have such a large pile of weapons. I like to think of it as a little insurance against a hostile world... __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

10-07-2004, 05:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	It seems to me a given , at this point that the weapons do not exist. As the ties to OBL and his orginaization have also been disproven, it is likely the administration will need to create a new reason for the justification of invasion, and occupation. That said, there could very well be a huge stockpile of WMDs' buried in Iraq.....but to assume they are there in an attempt to back up an obviously poor judgement call by our leadership is simply a weak position. Hopefully, we will hear the truth from our government at some point in the future, but this is sadly, not likely. Perhaps when the guard is changed, the blatant propoganda, and outright deception will come to light. One can certainly hope....but my expectations are low at this point. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

10-07-2004, 06:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
silent sleeper Upright	From a UK perspective this whole thing is a mess. Tony Blair is getting some serious critisism and rightly so. He has taken this country to war on a false premise and/or a willingness to follow a man who the majority of this country just don't trust. I look at the situation and all I see are countries acting unilaterally with little or no evidence. We all want to live in a safe environment but is this the way to achieve it? __________________ Begone Thin One

10-07-2004, 07:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
timalkin Addict Location: watching from the treeline	Saddam had the burden of proof. He failed to prove that he didn't have WMD, yet the UN did squat about it. Somebody had to step up to the plate. Thankfully we still have a few good leaders who aren't scared to do what needs to be done. __________________ Trinity: "What do you need?" Neo: "Guns. Lots of guns." -The Matrix

10-06-2004, 06:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
nothingx undead Location: nihilistic freedom	Are you kidding? The United States has more stock piles of weapons of mass destruction than Iraq ever did. This shit is sitting uncovered in 1,818 ton containers in my back yard, while inspectors can't find one drop in Iraq. Do you have any idea how hypocritical that looks?

10-07-2004, 02:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
cookkee Upright	would that stockpile help against a neucular attack ??

10-08-2004, 11:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
timalkin Addict Location: watching from the treeline	Hey, I wasn't the one who placed the burden of proof on Saddam. The mighty U.N. did that, then failed to back up their threats. What a waste of time and money. It seems like the United States started playing more of a role in world affairs when the world went to shit in both world wars before we stepped up. An ounce of prevention and all that... __________________ Trinity: "What do you need?" Neo: "Guns. Lots of guns." -The Matrix

10-08-2004, 01:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Moved to Politics. (++ NoWMDThreads) __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-10-2004, 10:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
daswig Banned Location: BFE	buried in the report is the fact that they did indeed find 50+ WMDs, of 1980's vintage, in Iraq. How many WMDs did they need to find to find WMDs? Isn't 50 enough?