filtherton

The was a time in america's history, the "golden age" of family values, where marital rape was accepted. If you were married to a woman, you in effect, couldn't rape her because fucking you was considered on of her wifely responsibilities.

whocarz

I seriously doubt they are completely irrelevant to one another. However, let me clarify. Causing unwarranted pain, suffering, and/or death on another human being is wrong. If you believe otherwise, you are quite simply hopeless. Your talk about the wrong thing feeling good seems to apply more to the aggressor rather than the victim.

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filtherton

Why is it wrong? Not trying to come across as a sociopath, just curious. Why does disagreeing with you make one hopeless? Let's say i cheat on my girlfriend causing her unwarranted pain. That's kinda wrong by our society's standards, but under some circumstances not completely unnacceptable. Now, say that we've broken up for a few months and i start to see someone else. She isn't over me yet and is caused unwarranted pain. Certainly i could have waited until she is over me to start a new relationship, but doing so might cause me undue pain. What is the difference between these two situations? Who decides when pain is warranted or not and is someone deciding what is right for you conform to the ideal of libertarianism?

whocarz

This is becoming a semantics arguement. Let me clarify yet again. If you cause unwarrented pain, suffering, death, etc. INTENTIONALLY, then it is wrong. If you decided to go out with another woman to spite your ex, that is wrong. It isn't a massive injustice, rather quite minor, but still an injustice. The same if you cheat on her while in a relationship. If she percieved it to be a mutually exclusive relationship, and you led her to believe that was the case, you are wrong because you are being decietful for personal gain at another's expense.

I will, however, say that I don't believe Libertarianism can work in every culture. Yet on that same note, a very moderate Libertarian government can work in the United States.

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filtherton

Who decides when pain is warranted or not?

I'm just trying to point out that there really are are no moral absolutes. None. There are rules that people attempt to live by, but there is always a gray area. There is always an exception.

Ustwo

I know women currently who think the concept of marital rape is silly, I don't agree with them but its true. It still doesn't answer the question of 'many' cultures not thinking rape is wrong. If you define rape like a member of NOW then basicly all sex between a man and a woman is rape, but not many do.

Also during that 'golden age' of family values, guess what happened to the rapists

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Strange Famous

In the UK, until the early 90's, it was not possible for a husband to be tried for raping his wife. The crime of rape legally could not exist between a married couple.

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SecretMethod70

I am not a fan of extreme libertarianism. I like practical libertarianism. That's about all I feel I need to say on this topic.

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filtherton

What, did they become "the greatest generation"?

You kind of answered your own request. The wrongness of rape depends on the culture. That many cultures consider it ok seems kind've irrelevant. I'm sure an anthro major could come up with myraid examples.

Ustwo

I don't think they could. Protecting women against rape is as much a genetic thing as a cultural thing. You may find an odd example, but it would be remarkable only in its oddness.

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filtherton

Did they find a "protecting women against rape" gene?

Strange Famous

I dont see how it can be so. If people were genetially disposed so, how could sexual attacks and aggression be so common throughout all history and all cultures?

And I have to tell you in many cultures it was deemed perfectly acceptable for women taken as slaves to be raped - even as recently as the slave economy of America.

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adysav

I would say that, if anything, men are genetically predisposed to commiting rape rather than preventing it. You see a fine lady in the street and you want to have sex with her.
I believe that if it were not for the current social climate men would show a lot less restraint and rape would be a lot more common.

rukkyg

And then perhaps not even considered rape, a la Strange New World.

adysav

I must have missed that one...