Rdr4evr

Can this come at a more obvious time? Did any of you actually think he wouldn't be caught several months before election time? I guarantee you next month they will announce Bin Laden’s capture and Bush will be re-elected. Personally, I believe they already have Bin Laden and are just waiting for the right moment to release the information publicly. I will tell you this though, anybody who didn’t see this coming and actually votes for Bush because of this is a fool. The sneaky bastard had this up his sleeve all along. Looks like this election is unfortunately going to be a gimme because Bush is going to use Bin Laden’s capture as well as repeated reminders of 9/11 to win the hearts of blind Americans. I’m sorry, but this just frustrates the hell out of me.



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Flyguy

I hate to say it but you're probably right. I'd bet pure cold hard cash that bin laden is either dead right now and they have his body to prove it or he's in a cell totally ripe for the administrations use for re-election.

And you're totally right. Whoever votes for Bush just becasue of this annoucement is a fucking fool.

raven12

I bet his capture does come out within the next few months and bush wins the election.

mrsandman

So, would the day BEFORE the election be too obvious?

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raven12

Id probably release the information 2-3 weeks before the election. A day earlier and people might have already decided who they are going to vote for and their decision might not change.

powerclown

It would be extremely cynical to whip out the OBL card 60 days before election. I really hope it hasn't gotten to this.

pan6467

Sorry to say this guys, BUT this belongs on paranoid thread. However, I'll post my 2 cents.

1) what are they going to say this close to the election Bin Laden is still out of our grasp = RESULT: Bush loses credibility, he needs us to believe OBL is close to capture so that he can prove he has everything in control.

2) What if OBL is captured during a debate and the debate is interupted by his capture, or his capture comes within 2 weeks of the election? I seriously believe that enough people would sense the deception and Kerry would win.

I don't put anything past this administration after all most of these guys worked with Reagan and Iran - Contra and got the hostages released the day Reagan took oath in '81. But I also believe they are not stupid enough to "capture" OBL before the election, too many conspiracists out there, too many votes that could be lost. Even if Bush does have a double digit lead now, there is no doubt in my mind that between now and the election Kerry will catch up and the "capture" of OBL would be far far too much of a gamble to take.

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waltert

haha, I expect it will happen that way, its just too easy. and I cant say that if I was in bush's position that I wouldnt do the same (though I shant vote for him)

Ustwo

They have been saying things like this for the last 2 years. Until I see his body I won't believe it. The important thing for the American public to remember is that the war on terror will NOT end with the capture of Bin Ladin. In some ways he is more valuable alive on the run than dead. Put that into your consipiracy pipe

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Delirious

Americans vote for Bush primarily because of fear and religion. But I feel there's also a large segment of our population that actually enjoys being dominated, is attracted to Bush's seemingly limitless power. Even if Bush's policies hurt them, they're infatuated with the prospect of increasing American power. They feel that they'd do what Bush does if they could afford to. Ignorance is also a factor here. It might sound condescending to say this, but if you look at the arguments by Bush supporters, they mainly appeal to emotion:

We were a peaceful nation, but then we were attacked by evil terrorists, and President Bush stood up for America. I might not agree with all of his policies, but Bush was there hugging the firefighters on Sept. 11th... (OK. Sept. 14th. So what that it took him three days before he even got to New York City?)

If you counter this argument by reporting the actual state of our union -- a net loss of a million jobs the last four years, a record $445 billion budget deficit, more Americans without insurance, record-setting prices at the gas pump, involvement in a very costly war that seemed avoidable -- the Republicans start the noise machine, and shout you down as unpatriotic. They can't argue factually, because the facts just aren't on their side. But the emotional nature of the situation allows them to justify their actions. And the result is one more misguided vote for Bush.

Ustwo

Lets stop there for now....

I am not afraid of terrorists. I want them dead, but I don't live in fear, so strike one.....

I am an atheist. I have been one since 3rd grade. Strike two.......

If anything I'm a 'top', Strike three........

I think what you fail to understand is there are people out there who are quite smart, and well educated who LIKE Bush and like his policies. I think he is a bit to much of a socialist, but otherwise I am very happy with Bush. Bush is genuine, I don't need to wonder how he will react because he doesn't pretend to be what he is not. Some of his compassionate conservative agenda I hope gets shot down, but otherwise I'm happy with him and his policies.

Don’t worry you don’t sound condescending, you sound like a liberal who doesn’t understand that a great many THINKING people are Republicans. You might not understand why, but you need to understand that we exist, and exist in great numbers.

Actually we were anything but peaceful. Somalia, Haiti, Iraq, and Bosnia were all places America had been blowing things up for the last decade, this was all under president Clinton. I am not going to say he was wrong to do so, but just want to point out that there was no real peace, we just felt invulnerable despite the first WTC bombing.

Ok, this is where you need to use your own head a bit. I would have been very critical of him showing up earlier. There was work to do, and a presidential visit would have only gotten into the way. Going there to see the damage and shake hands was only symbolic and he handled that perfectly. What was more important was planning what do to next, and you don’t do that at a photo op. This is one of those times where people complain because they can’t think of anything of substance to say. Bush handled it masterfully.

Unemployment is currently at 5.4 percent. 6 percent is considered FULL employment. The jobs claim is basically a myth. He may have inherited a recession, but we are doing just fine.

Now this IS something I do fault Bush on. But he is acting like a liberal on social policy and unlike a liberal he is getting his agenda done. Kerry has promised about 2 trillion in spending, the only good thing is being Kerry he doesn’t mean it.

Can’t speak for this one as I have no idea what the current numbers are, (either do you), but despite claims, no one is dying of disease on the street untreated. This is another one of those whines without substance.

Agree, lets get rid of some of the stupid ‘special’ EPA regs for some areas (like Chicago) and drill in ANWR.

Oh of course it was avoidable, but as shocking as it will be to you, it was the right thing to do. A majority of Americans feel the same.

No, you just don’t like our facts. Even John Kerry, Mr. Waffles, has said knowing what he knows now he wouldn’t have changed his vote on Iraq (I’m sure he said the opposite somewhere else). He voted for war btw. I’m voting for Bush, and I am anything but misguided. You may not agree with me, you may not have the same information I do, you may not LIKE it but unless you understand that there are smart people who agree with Bush on the substance of the issues, you will only continue to be wrong and your thinking and make posts based on that wrong thinking.

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pan6467

Ummm Mr. UsTwo I am a thinking, intelligent person as many on TFP are and I sir am a DEMOCRAT because I am a thinker and can see that what you and the GOP offer is faux Conservativism. IT IS NOT what Goldwater taught and it is not in any way shape or form healthy for our country.

Bush's conservativism consists of:
-bigger government, more deficit more spending and not just a loss of jobs but a loss of net income to middle and lower class families
-more laws in the guise of "patriotism" (the Patriot Act, the Marriage amendment),
-more inequality (sure he may give a $250 tax rebate to families but states and cities in order to make up for the Federal cutbacks end up taxing more by raising property taxes, sales taxes and income taxes so that Federal tax rebate is pretty much tripled in the money going out by these people in new taxes or the states and cities have just cut services to the bone that affects the middle and lower income brackets... but we won't talk of that because we don't want people to realize the truth now),
-and fewer chances for the poor to advance. A decrease in educational values,
-a decrease in allowing a fair and equal playing field for the small business owners (while increasing corporate welfare, and allowing companies to purge their employees),
-a healthcare system that is very fast becoming one of bankruptcy,
-a war that was unecessary andis bankrupting us
-a promotion of fear and hatred
-a theocracy and religion dictated governmentdisguised as "moral and just"

Not one of those bullets are in Goldwater's teachings. But of course mention Goldwater to a neo-con and they shudder saying he was too liberal. Funny, the conservative wing of the GOP started with Goldwater.

So, Mr. Ustwo, do not sit there and act as though your party and their platform and beliefs are far greater because in the end the freedoms we love in this country will be gone, very soon. Keep preaching hatred and how great you are though... hopefully people will see the ego and the self righteous elitist piousness and start waking up to the reality this president is giving us.

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Ustwo

I never said there weren't democrats who were thinking and intelligent people now did I?

I could care less what Goldwater laid out at this point in time. I am baiscly one of those scary evil Neo-Cons.

*BOO!*

I bet you were scared

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pan6467

BTW: your argument on unemployment is also faulty, unemployment ONLY counts those eligible. So those like many of the 1000's in the Canton area that have taken buyouts don't get counted, yet they are very much unemployed. Then you have to figure how many have run out of unemployment, how many have given up looking for jobs and how many have taken jobs paying 1/3 -1/2 less than what they made.

Trust me, I live in one of these areas and as you said in a post above (paraphrasing of course) you can take that 5.4% and put it in your pipe and smoke it because it has to make better smoke than fact.

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Ustwo

Ah I see, its that magical jobless recovery again!

I can't speak for every part of the nation obviously, but the numbers are on my side, and in my area of Illinois, the economy is booming. If you want to make non-verifiable statments that the economy is bad thats fine.

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pan6467

No the only thing scary is that your kind preach Goldwater but you practice just far enough left so as not to be called fascists. Your people are scared to tell the masses that you are about as far from Goldwater as you can possibly be, yet you'll preach him to get votes.... very sincere honesty.

Actually, 4 more years of Bush and the GOP will pretty much be dead politically because in 4 years at this rate ABB won't just be a "liberal chant" it'll be everywhere.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and Neo-Cons are running out of time to prove they truly want a better country for all not just the rich.

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pan6467

I can verify my statements about NE Ohio where is your proof?

States
with over-the-year employment decreases were Michigan (-55,100, -1.3 per-
cent), Ohio (-31,100, -0.6 percent), Massachusetts (-1,900, -0.1 percent),
and Connecticut (-1,500, -0.1 percent).

link: http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm

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Funny little graph here LOOK at Clinton's years and look what Bush has done since:


Series Id: LNS14000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Unemployment RateLabor force status: Unemployment rateType of data: PercentAge: 16 years and over


Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1992 7.3 7.4 7.4 7.4 7.6 7.8 7.7 7.6 7.6 7.3 7.4 7.4
1993 7.3 7.1 7.0 7.1 7.1 7.0 6.9 6.8 6.7 6.8 6.6 6.5
1994 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.4 6.1 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.8 5.6 5.5
1995 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.9 3.9 3.9
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.7
2002 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.8 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.7
2004 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4

LINK:
http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

Hmmmmm interesting .... eh? Election year the numbers start decreasing but very slowly..... and this Clinton recession.... hmmm who was in power in Congress voting on spending bills? Yet even with all that Clinto had unemployment in the low 4% ile after inheriting a very high 7% ile :while Bush has pretty much been holding it steady at 5.5-6 yep, his policies are definately working so much better.

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pan6467

Back on topic, it appears the War on TErrorism and this "patriotism" dictated by the right are the only things going for Bush. And yet, if he captures OBL he may lose because the people might see his administration for what it is. Yet, if he doesn't capture OBL he may lose. What a dilemma.

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irateplatypus

Bush somehow engineering the capture of OBL to help him in an election?

in the words of sam the eagle: "You are all weirdos"
(Bonus points to any poster who can tell me what movie that line is from )

I hope you realize how crazy an idea that is. My vote is transfer to Tilted Paranoia.

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pan6467

Irate that came from the Muppet Movie.... Sam the Eagle was one of my favorite Muppets on the Muppet Show.

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irateplatypus

outstanding, double thumbs up.

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OpieCunningham

For the purpose of this discussion, let's assume that you do exist.

You do not exist in great numbers.

Half the conservative base is very religious and very afraid of terrorists.

You, the "thinking" conservative, are a conservative anamoly.


Move this to Paranoia.

But remember folks - just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not following you.

irateplatypus

how about Tilted Abuse? this is getting silly opie.

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Flyguy

Ok bub, let's get something straight here. Just for the record, there isn't enough oil in ANWR back home to support the entire country at our current rate of consumption. Everyone in the GOP would love for you to think this is true to get your support for drilling. And don't start quoting that I need scientific data to back up my claims. Use some common sense and pure logic and you'll find that I'm correct. What we NEED to be doing is developing new technologies so that we don't have to run on oil anymore and we can tell the Arabs to take their oil and shove up their ass. But again, your boy Bush favors his wealthy supporters and he won't do anything to piss them off.....

Ustwo

You mean I'm all alone?

Maybe we want you to feel that way, and when you least expect it, we will jump out from under your bed, steal your pot, force you to get a hair cut, and give you a tax break!

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Strange Famous

I'd be surprised if Bin Laden could be taken alive... he appears to be a geuine religious maniac, I think his hateful crusade is more valuable to him than his own life... and he understand, as everyone must, that in death he will be a matyr to his cause. I remember reading one of his alleged announcements, when he basically said "of course I will be killed, America is a super power, but when you kill 1000 new Usama's are created."

Stories that he has been captured for over a year and Bush is going to "unveil" him just before election have been going around for so long I think thye could even have a negative effect - if he WAS captured in the next month it would almost be a negative for Bush because so many people would see the cynical angle... and ultimately, if he is or is not captured - this does not change the basic reasons why I believe Bush should not be re-elected and why I believe most people who vote Kerry will vote that way.

And if Bin Laden was dead, I think we would all know about it, I have a feeling he is not going to go quietly when he goes.

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Tophat665

Has anything in Dubya's political technique given you any reason to belive that Karl Rove is anything but extremely cynical?

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phyzix525

No your not alone. there are a few of us here on the very liberal TFP, imagine how many there are in the real world.


Even if the capture of bin laden was for real (before the election) , the liberals would all be screaming conspiracy.

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Agreed on all points, Strange Famous. And please count me in with the thinking conservatives...

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irateplatypus

yeah, there might be another 1000 Usama's created, but that's ok...

i'm sure they wouldn't all be internationally connected multibillionaire industrial titans like bin laden. i'm sure they wouldn't be as intelligent and well-advised as this one appears to be.

another 1000 usama's? i'm sure we eliminate nearly a thousand of the regular variety every month.

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sprocket

Its interesting see the path this thread has taken. It seems to be a basic assumption by most of the liberal/dem posters that if OBL captured or killed before the election it has to be a conspiricy by the administration to sway the election. What blows me away is that people seem to be discussing this topic as if it were common sense that this is how it is.

Tinfoil hats are invading TFP Politics.

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Journeyman

Well, there's precedent in this thread that was inspired by this article. To say that a capture of OBL has to be politically motivated when the timing is considered is very presumptous. But to deny that the administration would let the oppurtunity go to time it to their electoral advantage is to ignore Bush's desperation to be in office.

filtherton

Tinfoil hats have been here ever since the first utterance of the phrase "liberal media".

Ustwo

I agree, only I'm not the one wearing the Reynolds Wrap.

The NPR reporter today on Fox was priceless

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powerclown

How bout this: obl winds up captured 6 months 'after' bush is re-elected. then we can all praise bush for his leadership.

gotta love politics.

student

Ignoring the possibility of Bush using bin Laden's capture for political gain, or writing it off as a crazy liberal conspiracy is a big mistake. Search for Diebold on google. They make electronic voting machines and the ceo is a top fund raiser for Bush. They just recently got caught by coding a backdoor where the outcome of an election can be changed even though this was suspected all along by many computer security experts. Yet you do not hear anything about this on the news, however the Daily Show aired a special, yet it's too bad no "neo-con" would ever watch let alone take it seriously. There is also a site dedicated to this issue. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78 Call this a crazy liberal conspiracy theory also though.

Ustwo

You know if its on the internet it must be true!

I'm sure the press would NEVER cover something like this being that they are all part of the Republican propaganda machine.

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pan6467

The very fact there are so many people (on both sides) believing Bush and company capable of using an OBL trick should scare everyone. The fact that there are Neo-Cons out there, who either, just are totally assholish, believe everything Bush says, are led only by hatred and unwilling to see that there are even very sane unbiased non political people that worry Bush is capable of doing this is scarier still.

I think it says a lot about our society and the people who are leading us when we have such little faith in our government. It's even worse when so many blame the press and education of being biased and they work to destroy these necessities to democracy and freedom because those things that are most responsive and truly the major components of our nation's greatness (along with small businesses that they wish to destroy by allowing major corporations free reign).

These are also the same people that tell others to provide facts, yet refuse to give any themselves and will argue, bully, call names and treat others below them over the non-issues because they don't know how to win true debates..

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Ustwo

pan6467 - What facts are those? Please don't even pretend that the left doesn't ignore facts they don't like and can't defend (I have yet to see a left tfper come to the defense of the democrats being bought off by the trial lawyers for one thing). Lets take your facts posted above, is unemployment higher now then in 2000? Yep, and you want to blame Bush for it right? I have to ask you why? You don't know you will just say 'see, see its his fault!'. But Pan6467 what should GWB have done? Should he have done the wacky things the French did which has turned their economy to sludge? Should he have raised taxes? Should he have made it illegal to fire people?

He did what he could, lower taxes, increase the money to the private sector and let the economy sort itself out. Its working just fine. There is very little a president can do to improve an economy, but there is a lot he can do to screw one up by getting in the way.

Now lets get to the meat of the deal. Do you agree that Bush inherited a recession? I don’t think there is a lot of debate about that, but you never know with the left. Do you know that when you are in a recession, jobs are the last to go. I don’t know if you ever had to fire anyone, I have, and its something you try to avoid. Likewise when things start to recover the last thing you do is hire. You don’t want to hire someone you don’t really need. Also I would assume you know that small business numbers are not accurately portrayed in unemployment figures and we have had a boom in small businesses? Finally you do know how much damage 9/11 caused to the economy right? We had just started on a recovery and then ‘boom’. They didn’t call it the world trade center because it was a sports complex, and that’s only the direct damage.

My first post in 7 months, ( http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=67722) stating MY views some members of the left decided that it was a troll post and I was told and I quote from a long time TFPer ‘Also, I enjoy the taste of Karl Rove's cock.’. Good job tilted left, you restored my faith in you! It was a troll post in some minds of course because I was saying bad things about democrats. Never mind that I see true troll posts from left wing tfpers all damn day and not one of those people complains about them.

Get off your high horse and come to grips with the fact that you perhaps do not understand what you are talking about when you refer to the ‘right’.

You are willing to think the worst of the Bush government yet not that there maybe problems in the press or the education system? You think people like me want to ‘destroy’, your word not mine, the press and the education system? Where do you GET this stuff from? All we seek is a balance in the press (and we are getting close) and while we may wish to destroy the teachers union as it is hurting our children (and is buying the democrats), that is not going to destroy education. I have a great respect for education, you NEED to be smart to be a evil neo-con like myself and I have my letters being my name then I care to list. I want people to be better educated.

If you wish to have an intelligent debate that’s great, I'm all for it, but you are going to have to come to understand that I don't agree with you, that doesn't make me stupid.

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Rekna

So today there was an article about Al-Douri being captured then all the sudden he wasn't captured. Now this is just paranoia/speculation but what happens if is "captured" a few weeks before the election?