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fuzyfuzer · 08-13-2004, 06:00 PM

i have a question:

recently in the thread "specific reasons on why you hate president Bush" a ot of people have been stating their dislike with him based on two thing that i seem to notice constantly coming back up. The economy and education are what i am seeing.

here's the question why is it Bush's fault that education is not up to your standards. education is a responsability of the state not the federal government. this means bush really is not responsable and should not be responsable for it.

on the subject of the economy what is that bush has trully done wrong. a lot of our financial situation right now has come from 9/11 and it's aftermath. i don't feel that bush has made any mistakes that would turn the economy sour why is it his fault.

all i ask is why is it his fault? maybe you see somthing that i don't since i tend to lean to the right i don't know.

i am very interested in your response

thanks

smooth · 08-13-2004, 06:07 PM

I don't think it's the fact that education is the fed's responsibilitiy, per se.

The anger seems to come from the fact that Bush took education and made it a platform issue. He touted and passed an empty bill to look like he was serious about doing something. The bill actually makes it more difficult for schools in that it mandates certain things and pulls funding if they aren't met--without providing adequate resources to meet the demands.

What's happened is that people are seeing a bill named in such a way mixed with rhetoric that is aimed at making the public think that the feds have stepped in to solve a growing problem in our education system. The bill is a steaming pile, however, and so now public sentiment is going to go against public education when it can't meet the impossible. Then the Republican saviours can step in and dismantle public education with the public's support (based on ignorance of the political manuevers to get to this point) and implement voucher systems and/or whatever else they may have concocted in the interim.

In short, this education issue is being listed as yet another of Bush's hypocritical, empty rhetoric laden promises that failed to deliver anything substantial.

fatdaddy411 · 08-13-2004, 09:35 PM

Well, economically? The flow of jobs OUT of the U.S. is a bit of a concern. The boy's got the power to do something about that. For some reason in my mind, the tax cut presented as a remedy to economic slowdown really bugs me. So you gave people some extra cash, so what? Sure it circulates into the economy, but that's like just putting more blood into a bleeding patient. Couldn't the cash have been used to make improvements to INFRASTRUCTURE? Couldn't the cash have been put into things that make America a more attractive place to do business in the long run, rather than just cause a short term boost?

MSD · 08-13-2004, 10:22 PM

I'm thinking along the same lines as smooth. "No Child Left Behind" is very simply a plan to destroy the secular public school system and allow the government to fund education in religiously affiliated private schools.

My brother was screwed out of assistance this past year because the school is rushing to reclassify students as not learning-disabled because a single absence during the testing leaves the school below the percentage needed for a passing grade. Since they can't triple the number of LD students, the're just cuttin gdown until they ahve a manageable number who they can be sure of getting through the tests.

08-13-2004, 06:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
fuzyfuzer Insane Location: st. louis	education i have a question: recently in the thread "specific reasons on why you hate president Bush" a ot of people have been stating their dislike with him based on two thing that i seem to notice constantly coming back up. The economy and education are what i am seeing. here's the question why is it Bush's fault that education is not up to your standards. education is a responsability of the state not the federal government. this means bush really is not responsable and should not be responsable for it. on the subject of the economy what is that bush has trully done wrong. a lot of our financial situation right now has come from 9/11 and it's aftermath. i don't feel that bush has made any mistakes that would turn the economy sour why is it his fault. all i ask is why is it his fault? maybe you see somthing that i don't since i tend to lean to the right i don't know. i am very interested in your response thanks __________________ "The difference between commiment and involvment is like a ham and egg breakfast the chicken was involved but the pig was commited" "Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history. Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt

08-13-2004, 06:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	I don't think it's the fact that education is the fed's responsibilitiy, per se. The anger seems to come from the fact that Bush took education and made it a platform issue. He touted and passed an empty bill to look like he was serious about doing something. The bill actually makes it more difficult for schools in that it mandates certain things and pulls funding if they aren't met--without providing adequate resources to meet the demands. What's happened is that people are seeing a bill named in such a way mixed with rhetoric that is aimed at making the public think that the feds have stepped in to solve a growing problem in our education system. The bill is a steaming pile, however, and so now public sentiment is going to go against public education when it can't meet the impossible. Then the Republican saviours can step in and dismantle public education with the public's support (based on ignorance of the political manuevers to get to this point) and implement voucher systems and/or whatever else they may have concocted in the interim. In short, this education issue is being listed as yet another of Bush's hypocritical, empty rhetoric laden promises that failed to deliver anything substantial. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

08-13-2004, 09:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
fatdaddy411 Banned	Well, economically? The flow of jobs OUT of the U.S. is a bit of a concern. The boy's got the power to do something about that. For some reason in my mind, the tax cut presented as a remedy to economic slowdown really bugs me. So you gave people some extra cash, so what? Sure it circulates into the economy, but that's like just putting more blood into a bleeding patient. Couldn't the cash have been used to make improvements to INFRASTRUCTURE? Couldn't the cash have been put into things that make America a more attractive place to do business in the long run, rather than just cause a short term boost?

08-13-2004, 10:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I'm thinking along the same lines as smooth. "No Child Left Behind" is very simply a plan to destroy the secular public school system and allow the government to fund education in religiously affiliated private schools. My brother was screwed out of assistance this past year because the school is rushing to reclassify students as not learning-disabled because a single absence during the testing leaves the school below the percentage needed for a passing grade. Since they can't triple the number of LD students, the're just cuttin gdown until they ahve a manageable number who they can be sure of getting through the tests.