onetime2

And some people apparently think Bush knows all (or damn close to all). I'm amazed he doesn't push that little button on his desk that annihilates all his detractors in a single fell swoop. After all, his power and knowledge seem to have grown to near mythical proportions if a tenth of what some of his detractors say is true.

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Dragonlich

To the people here that feel it's necessary to compare Bush to Hitler: grow up, get some info about the holocaust, and come back when you've learned to put things in perspective.

FYI, I'm Jewish. Most of the Jewish side of my family was exterminated during WW2. Care to explain to me why exactly you think Bush is comparable to Hitler? I've got at least six million reasons to doubt it.

Now, with that said, can we please keep this thread mature and to the point?

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Rdr4evr

You have a subjective point of view considering you had family lost in WWII. How about the Iraqi children that were killed, what do you think their family goes through?? Im sure they think every bit as bad about Bush as Jews do about Hitler. Dont give me the six million deaths as an excuse not to compare the two. They are both murderers, they are both evil, regardless of how many people they have killed. Killing is wrong no matter what the number, killing for personal gain is even worse, thats how Bush is comparable to Hitler.

I see nothing immature about this comaprison. Is Saddam less evil than Ayatollah Khomeni? Is Stalin less evil than mussolini?

Dragonlich

Rdr4evr: I doubt there's any point in discussing this with you. You have your point of view, I have mine. I just hope that one day you'll realize how very wrong you are.

Until then, I'm leaving this thread before it gets out of control.

BigGov

Well then, in that case lets make a list of those evil heartless bastards.

Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Kerry, Bush, and Clinton to name a few.

I'm sure many British at the time hated Washington, I KNOW the south hated Lincoln enough to kill him, the Japanese certainly hated FDR, the Germans certainly hated Churchill, Kerry killed Vietnamese, Bush killed Iraqi's and Afgani's, Clinton killed Bosnians.

I assume you agree whole-heartedly.

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gondath

The focus here is on the soldiers who stood by and let this happen, not on the leaders. I don't care if they were given orders to do so or not. There comes a time to stand up for people. Otherwise, the USA might as well abandon any pretentions at all of morality.

Rdr4evr

I hope the same for you.

pinkie

Please refrain from the personal attacks, I'm not calling you any names.

I grew up Jewish too, and I have ancestors that were exterminated in WWII also. Why compare him? Because he went into a country and killed thousands of innocent people for no good reason, and we're still killing. Because he did it with an agenda other than what he says. Basically, because he's a power driven monster, mass-murderer, greed-monger.

Evidence is mounting to suggest that between 5,000 and 10,000 Iraqi civilians may have died during the war, according to researchers involved in independent surveys of the country. Others show numbers as high as 13,118, and that's not counting Afghanistan.

If this was happening in our country, to your wives and children, what would you think of the man behind it?

KMA-628

Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power.

No reasonable person wants or desires "needless" deaths. But you fail to mention the "murders" attributed to Saddam.

How many more people would have died under Saddam's rule in comparison to your statistics?

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Rdr4evr

Ive read up to 30,000 dead civilians. You wont hear that in the US, this was in another country.

Seaver

Thank you for the post KMA.

30,000 deaths? No. Please post where you get the information so we can view it ourselves. I can estimate that 2 people died in the war, it doesnt mean it has any truth in the matter.

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Rdr4evr

Are links to various websites even credible? You think CNN and NBC tell the truth, my word is as good as sources, but since you insist I will post some, whether they are accurate or not is beyond me, but I would believe a higher death count considering the Americans bomb like its a video game and they are trying to get a higher score everyday.

http://www.rense.com/general40/todate.htm

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/0709-Civilians.html

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0336/mondo3.php

http://www.evilgopbastards.com/september_2003.htm

http://opednews.com/hughes1003_Protestors.htm

http://baltimorechronicle.com/oct03_DC-Marchers.html

I will post more if I find em, right now im too damn tired.

hammer4all

Well, since we're feeling so sentimental, what about the estimated 500,000 children that died in Iraq as a result of U.S.-backed sanctions?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...imeline=effect

Let us please stop these silly U.S.-Saddam comparisons.

bermuDa

This has degraded into two sides throwing numbers at each other so we can claim one dictator is better/worse than the next.

Does this pissing contest have any merits? not in a civilized discussion.

Thread Closed.

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