Nomad

Ok ... You anti-Michael Moore Republicans, Let the flaming begin

Farenheit 9/11 - Trailer


Another movie to piss off Republicans

The hunting of the president - Trailer

Jeff

I'm sure the anti-Michael Moore Democrats will flame too.

He's a great filmmaker, but I really wish he'd at least include a short disclamer warning the public that much of it is fictionalized.

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ARTelevision

Michael Moore is good for laughs.

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silent_jay

I love Michael Moore, what a film maker, and talk about getting under peoples skin, I love it.

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The_wall

Both movies look pretty good

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Himbo

Its to bad everything in Farenheit 911 by Michael Moore was stolen from Alex Jones. I hate to see Moore profit from work already done by Mr. Jones. Too bad.

Jason

matthew330

Poor poor Jason. I'll give someone else a chance to take issue with Himbo and Jones. Preferably a Michael Moore fan.

The_wall

So you've seen the movie Himbo?

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gibingus

is 'fictionalized' even a word? and you know this from what direct experience or evidence? or are you just repeating what you have heard somewhere else?

politics aside, moore's documentarian principles and ethics are sound. as a documentarian, he is not bound to present opposing viewpoints as in traditional journalism. he is free to editorialize and make whatever commentary he wishes.

to say that his work is 'fictionalized' suggests to me that his situations are staged or contrived, or that he uses information that is not factual. there is no evidence of these practices, except for allegations offered by those who disagree with his politics.

on the other hand, his peers in the film world who know well the values and ethics of documentary production have honored moore with the highest awards in cinema: the academy award and the golden palm. this tends to suggest that he is quite good at his work.

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Jeff

Fictionalized.

I say it's fictionalized because that's the way Moore does it. He changes many of the dates and sequences for a more dramatic effect.

Part of Bowling for Columbine was fictionalized because not everything in the documentary was true. Moore said the Lockheed plant made military missiles, but they in fact make rockets for launching satellites.

There are many more examples. Google it to find more. Or try this link...http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

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assilem

Does anyone else smell a troll?

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FaderMonkey

That Bush/golfing clip at the end of the trailer is just too funny. Obviously not funny in a "haha, that Bush is such a funny guy" funny. Just....I don't know how to explain it....screwed up funny.

I'll be there to see the movie opening day. I honestly don't care if the movie is real or not. It really can't make me dislike the president anymore than I already do. At this point I'm simply up for some good entertainment.

Nomad

Yes ... and they always drag out that stupid David T. Hardy character, he's all they have.

I read somewhere that other attorneys call him Oliver Hardy, as In Laurel and Hardy.

Due to the fact that he has been laughed out of almost every court room he has walked In to.

Jeff

Are you saying he's (David Hardy) wrong?

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phredgreen

this brings absolutely nothing to the table. if you want to make a comment, do so in an intelligent and constructive manner, or shut the fuck up.

got it?

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The_wall

But Lockeed Martin does make missiles for the military, thats a fact. Perhaps that particular plant doesn't, but the company does.

I'm sure Moore knew this the whole time, but he saw an oportunity to get people thinking so he sort of humiliates that guy he talks too to make the documentary more entertaining. Just because that one plant doesn't make missiles doesn't mean the company doesn't make them. Other Lockeed plants do make missles.

He had a thought that maybe its the fact that in many cases, mommy and daddy are making missles used to kill people in other countries is what causes kids to be violent. He could have gone to one of the factories that actually makes the missiles, but for that particular film it made more sense to go to the one in Columbine. Its more entertaining that way. I mean he could make a film that just spews out fact after fact, but that would be boring now wouldn't it?

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hammer4all

Let's put this whole Lockheed missile controversy to rest.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

assilem

Like the one you just added? Very constructive.

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Nomad

I agree, the "shut the fuck up" was not necessary, I do agree that you should have added more content to your post, but that does not excuse phredgreen from verbally assaulting you. Unfortunately, some of the other moderators here on this forum have also been known to verbally abuse members, myself Included.

For all of the years that I have been surfing the net, I have been a member of dozens of forums, (Porn forums - Political forums - Warez forums) and NONE of the moderators from any of those other forums have behaved In the way that some of the moderators on this forum do.

Why Is that?

Ace_O_Spades

It is their forum to manage and run as they see fit... how about that?

And I think his post was justified in every way... I don't think pointless, meaningless, sideways attacks on a person's credibility (calling someone a troll for no reason) should be acceptable.

And to make my post relavent to the topic:

I will watch this movie, and I will research it afterwards to find out how much is questionable. Much like I did for Bowling for Columbine.

And really hammer4all... can we trust a source from Moore's website? I'd like another more definite, impartial, source.

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Nomad

This Is not their forum (as you put It) this (Community forum) belongs to Halx, and the moderators job Is not to behave like a bully. And I am well within my right to express my opinion on that, am I not?

And I think It was not justified, but then, that's just my opinion.

phredgreen

you see what happens? you start out with "let the flaming begin" and then expect a decent thread to come from it... and when it turns to dogshit and someone comes to clean it up, you continue the nonsense and threadjacking... then moderators have to come and close threads because they've become useless wastes of space, rather than discussions.

keep that in mind as you post in the future.

it may be that you may need to move on to one of those other forums that you've found through your many years of surfing the net... this one may not be the place for you.

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analog

When a moderator is correcting you for an infraction in the rules of the board, "constructive" is not what they're going for. They're going for, "you broke a rule- a very simple, common rule. Don't do that again."

Your rude (and poor attempt at) sarcasm is also not a welcome approach to dealing with problems. Maturity and civility are primary themes here at the TFP- these are especially important in Tilted Politics.