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sixate · 05-08-2003, 06:20 PM

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Madonna thanks France for opposition to Iraq war

Madonna has thanked France for its opposition to the Iraqi war, during a private performance for 200 guests of a radio station in Paris.

Dressed in a low-cut black top and black glittery trousers, she performed the title track to her album, American Life.

The exclusive event, held at the city's Nobel restaurant, lasted 40 minutes.

But for those not invited to the venue, the concert was broadcast by the radio station live over the internet and to nine European countries.

As she thanked the French for opposing conflict in Iraq, she told fans: "Here in France I feel at home."

I suggest she keep her fucking ass in France and stay the hell out of MY country!

The_Dude · 05-08-2003, 06:45 PM

she has the right to believe/say whatever she wants

Kadath · 05-08-2003, 07:09 PM

Yes, how dare she exercise her right to opinion as a citizen of America/The Land of Sixate. That she disagrees with the reigning party is grounds to kick her out and/or shoot her with some sort of combination bazooka/grenade launcher.
Fight!

Liquor Dealer · 05-08-2003, 07:16 PM

Six - we might as well concede. Dude has already veotoed us again. How about Four Dizzy Chicks? She could balance out the chubby mouth in the middle!

Kadath · 05-08-2003, 07:21 PM

Or concede, that's good too. Cast opposition's support of free speech as closeminded and typical. Attack other notable perceived member of opposition in hopes of moving off of lost cause. Make various drogatory jokes about intelligence/appearence/credibility of new subject.
end routine.

james t kirk · 05-08-2003, 07:53 PM

I note that the Dixie chicks are still selling out their concerts.

Dude is correct

Plus, who really gives a shit what Madonna has to say?

smooth · 05-08-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by james t kirk
I note that the Dixie chicks are still selling out their concerts.

Dude is correct

Plus, who really gives a shit what Madonna has to say?

More to the point, does Madonna really give a shit about anyone saying negative things about her anymore?

ToiletDuck · 05-08-2003, 08:15 PM

Here's the real reason behind what Madonna said, Jerry Lewis, the comic genius

gibber71 · 05-08-2003, 08:41 PM

Yes Madonna did thank France for it's opposition to the war in Iraq. In response to her diplomacy,the french have requested she not shave her under arms.

Quadraton · 05-08-2003, 09:21 PM

Meh. Another overstuffed celebrity who thinks their social status gives their opinions more weight than the rest of the riff-raff.

She has the right to say what she thinks, and I have the right to ignore her.

On a side note, I'm neither supporting, nor condoning her comments. I'm just simply choosing not to care.

oane · 05-08-2003, 09:22 PM

Alright, she expressed her opinion. Why get one's panties in knot over this

Nad Adam · 05-08-2003, 10:29 PM

Good for her.

magic_hat · 05-08-2003, 11:49 PM

who gives shit what madonna says

KillerYoda · 05-09-2003, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by magic_hat
who gives shit what madonna says

That's one of the best things I've heard in a long time.

Simple_Min · 05-09-2003, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by gibber71
Yes Madonna did thank France for it's opposition to the war in Iraq. In response to her diplomacy,the french have requested she not shave her under arms.

Exactly what i was thinking

Lebell · 05-09-2003, 12:39 PM

My opinion on that crusty assed, has-been bitch is unprintible, but it isn't good

on another note, does anyone see the irony in this statement?

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Or concede, that's good too. Cast opposition's support of free speech as closeminded and typical. Attack other notable perceived member of opposition in hopes of moving off of lost cause. Make various drogatory jokes about intelligence/appearence/credibility of new subject.
end routine.

Soooo, Kadath, I guess free speech only applies to Madonna and not her detractors?

MrSmashy · 05-09-2003, 12:50 PM

Meh. Who cares?

Seriously though. its good to see that people still have the ability to come up with a good arguement like "Stay the hell away from my country" followed by a violent emoticon.

MrSmashy · 05-09-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell

Soooo, Kadath, I guess free speech only applies to Madonna and not her detractors? [/B]

Not at all. But free speech also means that we can attack your methods of criticism.

You can say whatever it is you want against Madonna (and I agree she is a flake), but don't be surprised if someone criticises your criticisms. Its humerous how you try and make this a free speech issue when what is being argued isn't that you shouldn't be allowed to legally express you point of view, but rather that your method of arguementation brings into question your ability to defend your point of view adequately in a logical debate about its actual merits.

crewsor · 05-09-2003, 01:05 PM

I agree with Quadratron. I couldn't care less what Madonna thinks. Shes no rocket scientist in my book.

I would hope most people are smart enough to realize that someones celebrity status doesn't mean their opinions should carry any more weight than the average joe, although they certainly can get it out to many more people.

I tend to think if singers/ actors were really intelligent, they would keep their opinions to themselves regarding controversial matters. Witness the Dixie Chicks. You think she wishes she had kept her mouth shut? She may not admit it, but I guarantee you she does.

I say ignore them, they'll go away.

hrdwareguy · 05-09-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
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I suggest she keep her fucking ass in France and stay the hell out of MY country!

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I believe what sixate is trying to say is that if she feels so much at home in France, maybe she should live there instead of here. I don't believe the word MY in this case is meant to show ownership. Just my opinion.

Sixate, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. - I agree

MrSmashy · 05-09-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by hrdwareguy
I believe what sixate is trying to say is that if she feels so much at home in France, maybe she should live there instead of here. I don't believe the word MY in this case is meant to show ownership. Just my opinion.

Sixate, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. - I agree

I gathered that. I was simply more dissapointed with the virulent attitude expressed there.

Lebell · 05-09-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by MrSmashy
Not at all. But free speech also means that we can attack your methods of criticism.

You can say whatever it is you want against Madonna (and I agree she is a flake), but don't be surprised if someone criticises your criticisms. Its humerous how you try and make this a free speech issue when what is being argued isn't that you shouldn't be allowed to legally express you point of view, but rather that your method of arguementation brings into question your ability to defend your point of view adequately in a logical debate about its actual merits.

Is that was was being argued?

I guess I don't see that, as Sixate was expressing an opinion, not asking for a commentary.

While I may not agree (or disagree) with that opinion, he has as much right to express it as Madonna has to express hers.

In turn, Kadath made an attack on him bemoaning his attack on Madonna.

No, Smooth, I think I got what was being said figured out pretty well.

Thanks anyway

mirevolver · 05-09-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
she has the right to believe/say whatever she wants

And I have the right to not buy any of her CD's because I disagree with her politics.

MrSmashy · 05-09-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
Is that was was being argued?

I guess I don't see that, as Sixate was expressing an opinion, not asking for a commentary.

State an opinion on a webboard and you should expect commentary on that opinion...some of which you might not agree with.

And yeah, that seems to be what you were arguing - that somehow kadath's criticisms were tantamount to saying that others opinions shouldn't be allowed to be expressed...which I argued was a misinterpretation (although, maybe that's what Kadath secretly meant).

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While I may not agree (or disagree) with that opinion, he has as much right to express it as Madonna has to express hers.

In turn, Kadath made an attack on him bemoaning his attack on Madonna.

...which Kadath can also make under the same rights that allowed the other two to state their opinion. This only becomes problematic when someone tries to use political force to prevent another from stating their opinion. Otherwise people can keep criticising each other back and forth...that's how debate works.

Lebell · 05-09-2003, 02:38 PM

But Mr. Smashy,

I was only attacking Kadath because he attacked Sixate for attacking Madonna.

Why are you attacking me now???

The_Dude · 05-09-2003, 03:06 PM

madonna cant come to this country cuz she disagrees w/ one foreign policy issue?

sixate · 05-09-2003, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by hrdwareguy
I believe what sixate is trying to say is that if she feels so much at home in France, maybe she should live there instead of here. I don't believe the word MY in this case is meant to show ownership. Just my opinion.

Sixate, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. - I agree

You would be right. You just have a nicer way of saying it.

I find it funny that some people have a problem with my opinion of Madonna and think I should keep my mouth shut because they don't like what I have to say, but those same people say Madonna has the right to say whatever she wants. So why don't I have that right? I'm not telling her or anyone around here to shut up. Don't some of you see the hypocrisy in your own statements? BTW, I don't have a problem with people not liking my opinion. We are all different.

MrSmashy · 05-09-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
But Mr. Smashy,

I was only attacking Kadath because he attacked Sixate for attacking Madonna.

Why are you attacking me now???

Because its part of the process.

I don't remember stating that you should be legally prevented from stating your opinion. I simply attempted to point out problems with it. I don't want to prevent you from saying it through legal means, but rather change your mind about it.

Now, what I would like to know is why do we dwell on this? Is it an avoidance technique to draw attention away from a debate that might have unfavorable results for you?

Lebell · 05-09-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by MrSmashy
Because its part of the process.

I don't remember stating that you should be legally prevented from stating your opinion. I simply attempted to point out problems with it. I don't want to prevent you from saying it through legal means, but rather change your mind about it.

Who brought the law into it? Not I. Not Sixate. I think you just did though.

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Now, what I would like to know is why do we dwell on this? Is it an avoidance technique to draw attention away from a debate that might have unfavorable results for you?

Lol, hardly. Last time I checked, I don't have a dog in this particular race. I was just pointing out the hypocritical nature of Kadath's post, which I stand behind.

You'll have to try harder if you want to bait me into an arguement however.

smooth · 05-09-2003, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
No, Smooth, I think I got what was being said figured out pretty well.

Thanks anyway

MrSmashy · 05-09-2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
Who brought the law into it? Not I. Not Sixate. I think you just did though.

You mentioned free speech. Free speech is a legal right in the context of talking about someone defending madonna's right to it and attacking your right to it. You brought the law into. I simply used the term 'legally' first.

Unless you were talking about some other kind of free speech that is...and if so, care to explain it? Otherwise, there are other points I bring up that you could try and contest if you want.

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Lol, hardly. Last time I checked, I don't have a dog in this particular race. I was just pointing out the hypocritical nature of Kadath's post, which I stand behind.

You'll have to try harder if you want to bait me into an arguement however.

I'm not baiting you, I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your arguement and the way you misrepresented what Kadath posted in an attempt to invalidate his point without actually arguing against it. He didn't say anything about Sixate not being allowed to say what he wants (he has free speech rights like all of us), instead he attacked Sixate for trying to use attacks useless tools like Madonna to invalidate an entire spectrum of thought on the subject of the war. While I agree Sixate does not say that in his post, his previous posts on the subject where has ridiculed celebrities combined with his stated opinions would lead me to beleive that this assertion is completely possible (although not guarenteed). You could take Kadath up on that point rather than attempt to portray his statement as saying that Sixate shouldn't be allowed to say what he says, but its far easier to simply try and invalidate his statement in the manner you chose since you are attributing to him something you can combat.

bundy · 05-09-2003, 06:28 PM

why do we have to keep going over this again and again.

sure, Madonna has a right to say what she says. so does everyone here. freedom of speech is one thing that makes our countries so great.

but who here isn't already aware of Madonnas stance?
who here finds her statement surprising?
who here isn't already aware of Sixates stance on this matter? or Smooth's? or Dude's? or LD's? (sorry of i've left anyone out).

i'm not trying to be provocative here, but can't we find something new?

Kadath · 05-09-2003, 08:39 PM

If anyone is still reading this, I'm sick of my name being bandied about. Two things. The original post that Lebell took issue with was not an attack on sixate's post. It was on Liquor Dealer's. My response to sixate was my first one, in which I made the traditional response to sixate's traditional take on Madonna. Thus the "Fight!" at the end; it was intended to be a joke, because I agree with bundy that we don't need to keep going over and over the free speech issue. My problem with LD is that his response to sixate was so typical of the bullshit rhetoric practiced by people who don't know how to defend their position and so switch to something else in the hopes of getting past that particular topic.
As for you, Ledell, I doubt you'll follow this, because it's late and I'm tired. I said that Madonna can say whatever she likes. LD is also free to say whatever he likes, but as Mr. Smashy pointed out, I was attacking his inability to argue, not what he had said. You say what you like, man. But if you're inarticulate when you say it, I'm coming after you for that.

Lebell · 05-09-2003, 10:57 PM

doh, sorry smooth.

I meant Mr. Smashy.

Lebell · 05-09-2003, 11:01 PM

MrSmashy,

Hehe, whatever man.

guthmund · 05-10-2003, 12:53 AM

You realize that you're getting riled up over Madonna, right ???

I don't know when Madonna became the covergirl for the left, but I sure as fuck didn't vote for her.....

05-08-2003, 06:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	she has the right to believe/say whatever she wants __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

05-08-2003, 07:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Yes, how dare she exercise her right to opinion as a citizen of America/The Land of Sixate. That she disagrees with the reigning party is grounds to kick her out and/or shoot her with some sort of combination bazooka/grenade launcher. Fight! __________________ it's quiet in here

05-08-2003, 07:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	Six - we might as well concede. Dude has already veotoed us again. How about Four Dizzy Chicks? She could balance out the chubby mouth in the middle! __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

05-08-2003, 07:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Or concede, that's good too. Cast opposition's support of free speech as closeminded and typical. Attack other notable perceived member of opposition in hopes of moving off of lost cause. Make various drogatory jokes about intelligence/appearence/credibility of new subject. end routine. __________________ it's quiet in here

05-08-2003, 09:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Quadraton Addict Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada	Meh. Another overstuffed celebrity who thinks their social status gives their opinions more weight than the rest of the riff-raff. She has the right to say what she thinks, and I have the right to ignore her. On a side note, I'm neither supporting, nor condoning her comments. I'm just simply choosing not to care. __________________ "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

05-08-2003, 07:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	I note that the Dixie chicks are still selling out their concerts. Dude is correct Plus, who really gives a shit what Madonna has to say?

05-08-2003, 08:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
ToiletDuck Insane Location: In beautiful (YOUR AREA)	Here's the real reason behind what Madonna said, Jerry Lewis, the comic genius

05-08-2003, 08:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
gibber71 Loser	Yes Madonna did thank France for it's opposition to the war in Iraq. In response to her diplomacy,the french have requested she not shave her under arms.

05-08-2003, 09:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
oane Insane	Alright, she expressed her opinion. Why get one's panties in knot over this __________________ Make me Mad. Make me Sad. Make me feel Alright.

05-08-2003, 10:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	Good for her. __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9

05-08-2003, 11:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
magic_hat Tilted Location: The Altered State of Drugachusetts	who gives shit what madonna says

05-09-2003, 12:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
MrSmashy Crazy Location: Soviet Canukistan	Meh. Who cares? Seriously though. its good to see that people still have the ability to come up with a good arguement like "Stay the hell away from my country" followed by a violent emoticon.

05-09-2003, 01:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	I agree with Quadratron. I couldn't care less what Madonna thinks. Shes no rocket scientist in my book. I would hope most people are smart enough to realize that someones celebrity status doesn't mean their opinions should carry any more weight than the average joe, although they certainly can get it out to many more people. I tend to think if singers/ actors were really intelligent, they would keep their opinions to themselves regarding controversial matters. Witness the Dixie Chicks. You think she wishes she had kept her mouth shut? She may not admit it, but I guarantee you she does. I say ignore them, they'll go away. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

05-09-2003, 02:38 PM	#25 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	But Mr. Smashy, I was only attacking Kadath because he attacked Sixate for attacking Madonna. Why are you attacking me now??? __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-09-2003, 03:06 PM	#26 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	madonna cant come to this country cuz she disagrees w/ one foreign policy issue? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

05-09-2003, 06:28 PM	#32 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	why do we have to keep going over this again and again. sure, Madonna has a right to say what she says. so does everyone here. freedom of speech is one thing that makes our countries so great. but who here isn't already aware of Madonnas stance? who here finds her statement surprising? who here isn't already aware of Sixates stance on this matter? or Smooth's? or Dude's? or LD's? (sorry of i've left anyone out). i'm not trying to be provocative here, but can't we find something new? __________________ Ohayo!!! Last edited by bundy; 05-09-2003 at 06:32 PM..

05-09-2003, 08:39 PM	#33 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	If anyone is still reading this, I'm sick of my name being bandied about. Two things. The original post that Lebell took issue with was not an attack on sixate's post. It was on Liquor Dealer's. My response to sixate was my first one, in which I made the traditional response to sixate's traditional take on Madonna. Thus the "Fight!" at the end; it was intended to be a joke, because I agree with bundy that we don't need to keep going over and over the free speech issue. My problem with LD is that his response to sixate was so typical of the bullshit rhetoric practiced by people who don't know how to defend their position and so switch to something else in the hopes of getting past that particular topic. As for you, Ledell, I doubt you'll follow this, because it's late and I'm tired. I said that Madonna can say whatever she likes. LD is also free to say whatever he likes, but as Mr. Smashy pointed out, I was attacking his inability to argue, not what he had said. You say what you like, man. But if you're inarticulate when you say it, I'm coming after you for that. __________________ it's quiet in here

05-09-2003, 10:57 PM	#34 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	doh, sorry smooth. I meant Mr. Smashy. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-09-2003, 11:01 PM	#35 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	MrSmashy, Hehe, whatever man. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

05-10-2003, 12:53 AM	#36 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	You realize that you're getting riled up over Madonna, right ??? I don't know when Madonna became the covergirl for the left, but I sure as fuck didn't vote for her..... __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.