Madonna thanks France for opposition to Iraq war
 

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I suggest she keep her fucking ass in France and stay the hell out of MY country! http://www.boomspeed.com/sixate/rl.gif

she has the right to believe/say whatever she wants

Yes, how dare she exercise her right to opinion as a citizen of America/The Land of Sixate. That she disagrees with the reigning party is grounds to kick her out and/or shoot her with some sort of combination bazooka/grenade launcher.
Fight!

Six - we might as well concede. Dude has already veotoed us again. How about Four Dizzy Chicks? She could balance out the chubby mouth in the middle!

Or concede, that's good too. Cast opposition's support of free speech as closeminded and typical. Attack other notable perceived member of opposition in hopes of moving off of lost cause. Make various drogatory jokes about intelligence/appearence/credibility of new subject.
end routine.

I note that the Dixie chicks are still selling out their concerts.

Dude is correct

Plus, who really gives a shit what Madonna has to say?

More to the point, does Madonna really give a shit about anyone saying negative things about her anymore?

Here's the real reason behind what Madonna said, Jerry Lewis, the comic genius

:D

Yes Madonna did thank France for it's opposition to the war in Iraq. In response to her diplomacy,the french have requested she not shave her under arms.

Meh. Another overstuffed celebrity who thinks their social status gives their opinions more weight than the rest of the riff-raff.

She has the right to say what she thinks, and I have the right to ignore her.

On a side note, I'm neither supporting, nor condoning her comments. I'm just simply choosing not to care.

Alright, she expressed her opinion. Why get one's panties in knot over this http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/spiny.gif

Good for her.

who gives shit what madonna says

That's one of the best things I've heard in a long time.

:D :D :D Exactly what i was thinking:D :D :D

My opinion on that crusty assed, has-been bitch is unprintible, but it isn't good ;)

on another note, does anyone see the irony in this statement?

Soooo, Kadath, I guess free speech only applies to Madonna and not her detractors?

Meh. Who cares?

Seriously though. its good to see that people still have the ability to come up with a good arguement like "Stay the hell away from my country" followed by a violent emoticon.

Not at all. But free speech also means that we can attack your methods of criticism.

You can say whatever it is you want against Madonna (and I agree she is a flake), but don't be surprised if someone criticises your criticisms. Its humerous how you try and make this a free speech issue when what is being argued isn't that you shouldn't be allowed to legally express you point of view, but rather that your method of arguementation brings into question your ability to defend your point of view adequately in a logical debate about its actual merits.

I agree with Quadratron. I couldn't care less what Madonna thinks. Shes no rocket scientist in my book.

I would hope most people are smart enough to realize that someones celebrity status doesn't mean their opinions should carry any more weight than the average joe, although they certainly can get it out to many more people.

I tend to think if singers/ actors were really intelligent, they would keep their opinions to themselves regarding controversial matters. Witness the Dixie Chicks. You think she wishes she had kept her mouth shut? She may not admit it, but I guarantee you she does.

I say ignore them, they'll go away.

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I believe what sixate is trying to say is that if she feels so much at home in France, maybe she should live there instead of here. I don't believe the word MY in this case is meant to show ownership. Just my opinion.

Sixate, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. - I agree

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I gathered that. I was simply more dissapointed with the virulent attitude expressed there.

Is that was was being argued?

I guess I don't see that, as Sixate was expressing an opinion, not asking for a commentary.

While I may not agree (or disagree) with that opinion, he has as much right to express it as Madonna has to express hers.

In turn, Kadath made an attack on him bemoaning his attack on Madonna.

No, Smooth, I think I got what was being said figured out pretty well.

Thanks anyway ;)

And I have the right to not buy any of her CD's because I disagree with her politics.

State an opinion on a webboard and you should expect commentary on that opinion...some of which you might not agree with.

And yeah, that seems to be what you were arguing - that somehow kadath's criticisms were tantamount to saying that others opinions shouldn't be allowed to be expressed...which I argued was a misinterpretation (although, maybe that's what Kadath secretly meant).

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While I may not agree (or disagree) with that opinion, he has as much right to express it as Madonna has to express hers. In turn, Kadath made an attack on him bemoaning his attack on Madonna.

...which Kadath can also make under the same rights that allowed the other two to state their opinion. This only becomes problematic when someone tries to use political force to prevent another from stating their opinion. Otherwise people can keep criticising each other back and forth...that's how debate works.

But Mr. Smashy,

I was only attacking Kadath because he attacked Sixate for attacking Madonna.

Why are you attacking me now???

:D

madonna cant come to this country cuz she disagrees w/ one foreign policy issue?

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You would be right. You just have a nicer way of saying it. :D

I find it funny that some people have a problem with my opinion of Madonna and think I should keep my mouth shut because they don't like what I have to say, but those same people say Madonna has the right to say whatever she wants. So why don't I have that right? I'm not telling her or anyone around here to shut up. Don't some of you see the hypocrisy in your own statements? BTW, I don't have a problem with people not liking my opinion. We are all different. :)

Because its part of the process.

I don't remember stating that you should be legally prevented from stating your opinion. I simply attempted to point out problems with it. I don't want to prevent you from saying it through legal means, but rather change your mind about it.

Now, what I would like to know is why do we dwell on this? Is it an avoidance technique to draw attention away from a debate that might have unfavorable results for you?

;)

Who brought the law into it? Not I. Not Sixate. I think you just did though.

Lol, hardly. Last time I checked, I don't have a dog in this particular race. I was just pointing out the hypocritical nature of Kadath's post, which I stand behind.

You'll have to try harder if you want to bait me into an arguement however.

:confused:

You mentioned free speech. Free speech is a legal right in the context of talking about someone defending madonna's right to it and attacking your right to it. You brought the law into. I simply used the term 'legally' first.

Unless you were talking about some other kind of free speech that is...and if so, care to explain it? Otherwise, there are other points I bring up that you could try and contest if you want.

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Lol, hardly. Last time I checked, I don't have a dog in this particular race. I was just pointing out the hypocritical nature of Kadath's post, which I stand behind. You'll have to try harder if you want to bait me into an arguement however.

I'm not baiting you, I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your arguement and the way you misrepresented what Kadath posted in an attempt to invalidate his point without actually arguing against it. He didn't say anything about Sixate not being allowed to say what he wants (he has free speech rights like all of us), instead he attacked Sixate for trying to use attacks useless tools like Madonna to invalidate an entire spectrum of thought on the subject of the war. While I agree Sixate does not say that in his post, his previous posts on the subject where has ridiculed celebrities combined with his stated opinions would lead me to beleive that this assertion is completely possible (although not guarenteed). You could take Kadath up on that point rather than attempt to portray his statement as saying that Sixate shouldn't be allowed to say what he says, but its far easier to simply try and invalidate his statement in the manner you chose since you are attributing to him something you can combat.

why do we have to keep going over this again and again.

sure, Madonna has a right to say what she says. so does everyone here. freedom of speech is one thing that makes our countries so great.

but who here isn't already aware of Madonnas stance?
who here finds her statement surprising?
who here isn't already aware of Sixates stance on this matter? or Smooth's? or Dude's? or LD's? (sorry of i've left anyone out).

i'm not trying to be provocative here, but can't we find something new?

If anyone is still reading this, I'm sick of my name being bandied about. Two things. The original post that Lebell took issue with was not an attack on sixate's post. It was on Liquor Dealer's. My response to sixate was my first one, in which I made the traditional response to sixate's traditional take on Madonna. Thus the "Fight!" at the end; it was intended to be a joke, because I agree with bundy that we don't need to keep going over and over the free speech issue. My problem with LD is that his response to sixate was so typical of the bullshit rhetoric practiced by people who don't know how to defend their position and so switch to something else in the hopes of getting past that particular topic.
As for you, Ledell, I doubt you'll follow this, because it's late and I'm tired. I said that Madonna can say whatever she likes. LD is also free to say whatever he likes, but as Mr. Smashy pointed out, I was attacking his inability to argue, not what he had said. You say what you like, man. But if you're inarticulate when you say it, I'm coming after you for that.

doh, sorry smooth.

I meant Mr. Smashy.

MrSmashy,

Hehe, whatever man.

You realize that you're getting riled up over Madonna, right ??? :)

I don't know when Madonna became the covergirl for the left, but I sure as fuck didn't vote for her.....