Wow looking at that thread versus this one is pretty amazing...

We've sure learned a lot :D

Found the *very* interesting thread on that missile accident. Whether you're interested in this thread or not, the story is a really good read.

http://jaghunters.blogspot.com/2004_...s_archive.html

all for a missile silo accident that hurt no one. Obviously, the military wanted to send a message that there was zero tolerance for sloppiness when it comes to our nukes.

What signal will Bush send about the torture? Interestingly, I saw on Drudge that the woman pictured in two of the pics (including the most recent one where she has a prisoner on a leash) hasn't been charged with anything yet.

You can bet her military career is over.

But she might have a future as a Dom in an SM club... :D

One question... is anyone surprised?

Of course, we had to get rid of Saddam, he committed terrible acts of torture against his own people, the Iraqi people must be glad that now they can be tortured by Western Christian's rather than Ba'arth loyalists and the Iraqi secret police...

Let us say once and for all, this has not been, never, a moral war.

Oh well, this is getting even worse. It's now public that this wasn't isolated incident:

U.S. Abuses in Iraq `Not Isolated,' Red Cross Says

Seems that there is actually a rotten apple(s) in almost every basket...

Superbelt, don't you have anything better to do with your time than use this event to promote your undying hatred for Limbaugh. Absolutely I still support him. I didn't even get to the part in your link where that quote is, but here's the point he was trying to make, from your same link:

Why your trying to convince the ignorant that he equates sodomizing, rape, dog attacks and baths in phosphoric acid with emotional release comparable to fraternity hazing isn't necessarily beyond me, but is frankly old. Your peeps don't need any convincing, so why waste your time. He was referring to the first pictures that came out with the naked Iraqis being humiliated. Sure that's bad enough, but i have yet to hear of phosphoric acid, rape, etc etc that you have described, and rest assured all you rush haters, these examples (if they took place, which i find real fuckin hard to believe) were not the object of his commentary.

Now you may disagree and even go so far as to take offense at the above quote, but i don't. So yeah - I support Limbaugh.

There is that royal "we" again...:rolleyes:

Matthew,

I listen to Limbaugh and I'll be honest I am a lefty, liberal but I do agree with him at times.

What he has to say about this though is shock for shock value. He knows it'll get into the press and raise his ratings. Does he believe it? No, I'd say he probably doesn't believe it. Limbaugh has a job to do, that is deflect as much as he can the wrongs of the GOP while maintaining a hatred and constant pointing out of the Dem's wrongs.

I can guarantee he would be at the top of the list crying for Clinton's head if this torture had been during Clinton's years.
Limbaugh no matter how hard he tries to make it look like he is, is not a good political resource. He is entertainment, same as a circus clown or Stern or Barbra Streisand.

I have never heard anyone from another country say, (after seeing one of our men dragged through a street or any of Limbaugh's examples) "Yeah the US deserved that". And trust me I know some very very anti war people, but to them torture is torture whether it is Iraqis torturing us or we them.

Of course if Limbaugh is so very patriotic where was he during Vietnam, why did he not serve if he is this expert on the military he acts to be?

I guess I just took a very long way of saying this................. Limbaugh is entertainment that is all, what he says is neither right nor wrong, good nor bad , it is what it is and it's just entertainment, pure and simple.

http://rush.digitalchainsaw.com/theatre.html#interview

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm going to General now for punishment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/
So, do you and Rush have any more defense that you would like to make of USA soldiers raping boys?

I'll wait for a retraction from either of you. I think in Rush's case I will be waiting a long while.

Wow. You're kidding, right? That's got to be the biggest troll I've ever seen.

Like- ever.

I'm at a loss to respond appropriately.

Why?

Do you deny that these acts of torture took place?

How do you imagine they make Iraqi people feel about America and Britain?

I laughed I cried I was deeply touched.

Very funny site.

Harmless, doesn't your own smugness irritate you? I think you should save it for:

a. A more appropriate subject matter and
b. a time when your not so dead fucking wrong.

I hadn't heard about those events that took place, and they are outrageous and nothing short of criminal. If that is accurate, everyone involved should be punished, and i'm confident they will be.

The first pictures that came out were sickening, and I think we all expect more from our soldiers over there, but at worst they were mental torture, at best humiliating. Go back and reread my post, and rush's quote, and then come back and accuse me of defending the raping of boys. He was referring to those initial pictures, and he was not at all defending them, he was putting them into perspective, which by the way wouldn't even be necessary if it weren't for certain peoples (^^^) almost sadistic glee exploiting this news.

I'll be waiting for a retraction and an apology would be a pleasant surprise.

When Rush says anything approaching what you just said, I'll be glad to retract my words.

I just checked his web site. Nothing yet. You would think with all the updated news about abuse and torture he would have amended his prior statements. But no, he's busy bragging about how news shows are labeling him the "voice of the conservatives."

Pan, sorry i missed your post - that was an absolutely fair assessment. I just can't sit back and let someone make that outragseous claim that Limbaugh sees "torture" in it's tradiational sense as emotional release tantamount to frat hazing. And I think it was done deliberately.

...and harmless, may i suggest changing your name to "hopeless"

Why? You said that Rush's "hazing" comments were based on the original pics of torture, not the most recent ones, and not the most recent allegations of rape. You defended Rush.

Given the serious nature of the new allegations, I am anxiously awaiting Rush to say anything approaching retraction of his "hazing" comments.

Still waiting.

Let me ask you something harmless...how the hell is he gonna retract something that he hasn't responded to yet?

Harmless, Matthew kindly stop. This was a good thread that is fast going downhill.

Harmless, I like ytou man, I even agree with you sometimes but, man, it's fricking Limbaugh. Who the freak cares? The right wingers that listen and believe him? The Lefties that are wanting to crucify him and nit pick everything?

Dude he's a political Stern. All he's doing is trying to get publicity for his show and get us lefties worked up so that we look like fools. I would worry more if Bush or one of his men said it.

Matthew, you seem to be a good guy. Why defend Rush? It doesn't matter what you say those who dislike the man are going to twist everything he does. The same way people twist Stern.

All I can do is ask that the personal attacks stop. You 2 are passionate guys and name calling and getting riled up solves nothing.

Go to Humor talk about a faux paux you have seen from an elected official that made you laugh. release some of that tension..... It's summer hell go golfing

Um, you retract things that you say with a response. That's exactly my point. Let me spell it out for you.

Rush said:
You said:
So, given that you said his comments above were out-of-context and referred to the initial pictures, I'm giving Rush the opportunity to defend himself. Rush should come out with a follow-on statement saying that he is now convinced that the torture at the prison was *not* just people having a "good time".

Still waiting.

So, are you implying that I get sadistic glee out of being horrified that our troops committed rape, sodomy, necrophilia, and torture in a prison where Saddam did the same? Do you really think that this isn't a big deal? This is terrible. Bush has set back middle-east relations 50 years.

I find it hilarious that the best defense the soldiers involved can come up with is we were told to do it. They haven't apologized or admitted any wrongdoing. Either the military has done far too good a job at indocrinating its soldiers to follow orders, or else these people are the bottom of the moral barrel.

"Um.." I would bet you spend a large part of your day thinking this. Go back, read, get a clue. With that said i'll take pan's advice and leave this alone.

don't bother with a snappy remark to bait me back in either, I'll do it for you. Congratulations hopeless. I'm signing off, with half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair....talent on loan from God. Sianorra.

I guess when you can't refute the facts of the matter, quitting is a pretty good defense. :)

I'll leave you with Rush's latest comments from May 6 (after the revelations of brutal torture came out, after his comments about "initiation")

This guy is an inhuman animal. You can continue to defend him if you want, but if you want to just quit this thread and salvage some honor, I certainly understand.

Wow. Usual suspects, heated topic, thread slaughter.

Great trolling/flaming there towards the end. I'll remember that next time someone whines about leniency.

The thing about Rush is, no matter whether you like him or hate him, you're still listening, or you're still talking about him. You're still helping him either way. I don't know why people don't understand that.