This Palestininan Kid with the Bombs on the front page (story & link added below) - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Bookman · 03-25-2004, 08:07 AM

Pretty dramatic photo. If this kid can be saved I see no reason why so many other children die when they do not pose a threat comparable to the one this lil feller did.
This does not make any sense.

(edit: Scroll down for the front page picture and full story a few posts below that.

-lebell)

Superbelt · 03-25-2004, 08:27 AM

Front page of what?

Bookman · 03-25-2004, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Superbelt
Front page of what?

The newspaper this AM.

balderdash111 · 03-25-2004, 08:51 AM

PS: I think he means the NY Times (at least, it's on the cover of mine)

Superbelt · 03-25-2004, 08:55 AM

Aah, ok

Lebell · 03-25-2004, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bookman
Pretty dramatic photo. If this kid can be saved I see no reason why so many other children die when they do not pose a threat comparable to the one this lil feller did.
This does not make any sense.

Bookman,

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "other children".

Do you mean Palestinian children? Isreali children? And under what circumstances?

Anyway, could you please elaborate?

Lebell · 03-25-2004, 09:13 AM

For those who don't feel like hunting up the story:

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Israelis Stop Teen Wearing Suicide Vest
2 hours, 34 minutes ago

By GAVIN RABINOWITZ, Associated Press Writer

HAWARA CHECKPOINT, West Bank - A 16-year-old Palestinian with a suicide bomb vest strapped to his torso was on a mission to kill the Israeli soldiers who caught and disarmed him before he could strike, the army said. The youngster told a newspaper he had been afraid to die.

In an interview with the Yediot Ahronot newspaper Thursday, the boy, identified as Hussam Abdo, said he wanted to go to paradise but feared killing himself until he neared the Israeli army roadblock and was stopped.

"When the soldiers stopped me, I didn't press the switch. I changed my mind. I didn't want to die anymore," Abdo said, according to the newspaper. "I'm sorry for what I did."

The military said Abdo's mission was to kill soldiers at the crowded West Bank checkpoint.

"In addition to the fact that he would have harmed my soldiers, he would have also harmed the Palestinians waiting at the checkpoint, and there were 200 to 300 innocent Palestinians there," said the commander of the checkpoint, who identified himself only as Lt. Col. Guy.

During the tense encounter Wednesday, soldiers took cover behind concrete barricades and sent a yellow army robot with scissors to the teenager so he could cut off the vest. Before he finally was detained, the youngster was made to strip to his underwear to prove he had no other weapons.

Leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades militant group denied sending the boy, but local members in Nablus' Balata refugee camp said they did. The group has ties to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s Fatah (news - web sites) movement.

The family of the teenager said he was gullible and easily manipulated.

"He doesn't know anything, and he has the intelligence of a 12-year-old," said his brother, Hosni.

In the newspaper interview, Abdo said he wanted to reach paradise, which he was taught in school was the reward for suicide bombers.

"A river of honey, a river of wine and 72 virgins. Since I have been studying Quran I know about the sweet life that waits there (in Paradise)," the newspaper quoted the boy as saying.

The incident began about 4 p.m. Wednesday when soldiers at the Hawara checkpoint outside Nablus learned a bomber was in the checkpoint. They shut the facility and began searching the hundreds of people gathered there, the military said.

Suddenly Abdo, wearing an oversized red jersey, approached.

"We saw that he had something under his shirt," said Lt. Tamir Milrad.

The soldiers dove behind concrete barricades, pointed their guns at him and ordered him to stop. On their orders, he took off his jersey, revealing a large gray bomb vest underneath.

"He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't want to blow up," Milrad said.

The soldiers sent a small yellow robot to hand Abdo scissors to cut off the vest, an incident captured by Associated Press Television News.

He cut off part of it and struggled with the rest.

"I don't how to get this off," he said in frustration before successfully removing it.

Soldiers ordered him to take off his undershirt and pull down his jeans to make sure he had no other weapons and then arrested him.

Sappers blew up the vest, which the army said was an 18-pound bomb.

Several teenagers have carried out suicide bombings over the past 3 1/2 years of Israeli-Palestinian violence, and there has been concern of late that militant groups were turning to younger attackers to fool Israeli security checks.

Abdo, though 16, looked far younger, and the Israeli military initially said he was 10.

On March 16, Israeli troops stopped an 11-year-old boy allegedly trying to smuggle explosives through the same checkpoint. Israel said militants had given the boy the explosives without his knowledge, either to ferry across the checkpoint or to be blown up by remote control when he got near soldiers.

Palestinians and the boy disputed this, claiming the bag he was carrying — swiftly blown up by army sappers — contained auto parts.

Last month, Israeli police arrested three boys, aged 12, 13 and 15, who said they were on their way to carry out a shooting attack in the Israeli city of Afula.

"No matter how many times Israel learns of the use of children for suicide bombings, it is shocking on each occasion," said Dore Gold, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites).

After Wednesday's incident, the army put Abdo before the media for photographs. He was allowed only to say his name, age and grade in school.

Abdo's family said the teenager was not affiliated with any militant group, but went to rallies conducted by all of them. They said he identified with whichever group carried out the latest attack on Israelis.

His mother, Tamam, was furious at the militants who sent him.

"He is a child and he should not be used for such things," the mother said.

The family said Abdo acted strangely Tuesday, giving out candy to his family and neighbors and refusing to explain why.

He got his hair cut in the style his mother likes and told her he would do anything she wanted, she said.

"You never are like this," she said. "What happened?"

"I just want you to be happy with me," he responded.

He left his house Wednesday morning, saying he was going to school. But he never went there.

Hosni Abdo, the brother, said he was angry with whoever persuaded his brother to become a suicide bomber.

"The ones who sent him are stupid, because the army will give him two slaps and he will tell them who sent him," he said.
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Personally, I'm disgusted at Hamas for taking a "gullable" unpopular 16 year old kid and convincing him to go kill himself so he could get laid.

If if weren't sick, I'd be laughing.

Bookman · 03-25-2004, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lebell
Bookman,

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "other children".

Do you mean Palestinian children? Isreali children? And under what circumstances?

Anyway, could you please elaborate?

The countless other Palestinian Children who get caught in this messed up situation....and before people start barking...I know Israeli kids get killed as well.

spook75 · 03-25-2004, 10:59 AM

OK guys, where is the outrage? Israel kills a known terrorist and they are called murderers by the international community, yet when the same sort of murderous bastards like Yassin send retarded 16 year old CHILDREN to blow up civilians there is utter silence. WTF?

popo · 03-25-2004, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spook75
OK guys, where is the outrage? Israel kills a known terrorist and they are called murderers by the international community, yet when the same sort of murderous bastards like Yassin send retarded 16 year old CHILDREN to blow up civilians there is utter silence. WTF?

You aren't used to it by now?

BTW, for some reason many news repors are giving his age as 14. I don't know which is true.

jwoody · 03-31-2004, 05:48 AM

The other side respond by saying the Isrealis have been setting up these situations for ages.

Quote:

Islam Online, 29th March

(shortened version)

Israel Steps Up ‘Children War’ Against Palestinians

NABLUS, March 29 (IslamOnline.net) - Israeli media has embarked on a new stage of distorting the Palestinian resistance image, accusing Palestinian resistance fighters of making use of children and minors to execute bombing operations; a matter categorically denied by Palestinian families and factions as being "an Israeli intelligence fabrication."

Quds Press News Agency has unveiled Sunday, March 28, that Israeli media has lately been making up “perfect stories” about Palestinian children, who have been allegedly sent to blow up themselves, and their entrapped school bags.

They reiterated that the aim is to "send a horrible message to the world to the effect that Palestinians urge their children to kill themselves, in order to negatively affect the Palestinian morale and weaken the world support to the Palestinian cause."

Repeated Victims

Hussam was not the first or only victim of such Israeli methods. The incident was repeated with other children like Abdullah Qaraan from Balata refuge camp, who, the Israelis claimed, transported an amount of explosives across Hawara checkpoint two weeks ago.

Hussam's brother said that he is "totally convinced that his brother was a victim of a dirty game orchestrated by the Israeli intelligence," adding that his brother has been suffering from unstable psychic condition.

"An intelligence agent may have convinced my brother to wear a false belt with the aim to make use of such farce for the sake of the Hebrew state."

"I headed towards Hawara checkpoint to work there as I do every day. A small bus arrived and two passengers asked us to carry two bags to the other side of the checkpoint and paid us 15 Shekels," Qaraan said.

"We knew nothing about the contents of the bag. I carried them, while my friend went home. When I arrived to the checkpoint, a soldier asked me about the content of the bags. I told him that I don't know. A female soldier ordered me to open them. Inside, there were spare parts, not explosives as they claim," the child added.

On March 20, occupation soldiers captured Ahmed Abu Makhia, 6, from Hebron, on his way back from school and put some explosives in his school bag and took some shots to convince the world public opinion that the boy carried bombs.

I call it "Terrorist Tennis"

Mojo_PeiPei · 03-31-2004, 09:44 AM

It is all a conspiracy by the evil Moussad.

03-25-2004, 08:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bookman Insane	This Palestininan Kid with the Bombs on the front page Pretty dramatic photo. If this kid can be saved I see no reason why so many other children die when they do not pose a threat comparable to the one this lil feller did. This does not make any sense. (edit: Scroll down for the front page picture and full story a few posts below that. -lebell) Last edited by Lebell; 03-25-2004 at 09:15 AM..

03-25-2004, 09:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	For those who don't feel like hunting up the story: -------------------------------------------------------------------- LINK Israelis Stop Teen Wearing Suicide Vest 2 hours, 34 minutes ago By GAVIN RABINOWITZ, Associated Press Writer HAWARA CHECKPOINT, West Bank - A 16-year-old Palestinian with a suicide bomb vest strapped to his torso was on a mission to kill the Israeli soldiers who caught and disarmed him before he could strike, the army said. The youngster told a newspaper he had been afraid to die. In an interview with the Yediot Ahronot newspaper Thursday, the boy, identified as Hussam Abdo, said he wanted to go to paradise but feared killing himself until he neared the Israeli army roadblock and was stopped. "When the soldiers stopped me, I didn't press the switch. I changed my mind. I didn't want to die anymore," Abdo said, according to the newspaper. "I'm sorry for what I did." The military said Abdo's mission was to kill soldiers at the crowded West Bank checkpoint. "In addition to the fact that he would have harmed my soldiers, he would have also harmed the Palestinians waiting at the checkpoint, and there were 200 to 300 innocent Palestinians there," said the commander of the checkpoint, who identified himself only as Lt. Col. Guy. During the tense encounter Wednesday, soldiers took cover behind concrete barricades and sent a yellow army robot with scissors to the teenager so he could cut off the vest. Before he finally was detained, the youngster was made to strip to his underwear to prove he had no other weapons. Leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades militant group denied sending the boy, but local members in Nablus' Balata refugee camp said they did. The group has ties to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s Fatah (news - web sites) movement. The family of the teenager said he was gullible and easily manipulated. "He doesn't know anything, and he has the intelligence of a 12-year-old," said his brother, Hosni. In the newspaper interview, Abdo said he wanted to reach paradise, which he was taught in school was the reward for suicide bombers. "A river of honey, a river of wine and 72 virgins. Since I have been studying Quran I know about the sweet life that waits there (in Paradise)," the newspaper quoted the boy as saying. The incident began about 4 p.m. Wednesday when soldiers at the Hawara checkpoint outside Nablus learned a bomber was in the checkpoint. They shut the facility and began searching the hundreds of people gathered there, the military said. Suddenly Abdo, wearing an oversized red jersey, approached. "We saw that he had something under his shirt," said Lt. Tamir Milrad. The soldiers dove behind concrete barricades, pointed their guns at him and ordered him to stop. On their orders, he took off his jersey, revealing a large gray bomb vest underneath. "He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't want to blow up," Milrad said. The soldiers sent a small yellow robot to hand Abdo scissors to cut off the vest, an incident captured by Associated Press Television News. He cut off part of it and struggled with the rest. "I don't how to get this off," he said in frustration before successfully removing it. Soldiers ordered him to take off his undershirt and pull down his jeans to make sure he had no other weapons and then arrested him. Sappers blew up the vest, which the army said was an 18-pound bomb. Several teenagers have carried out suicide bombings over the past 3 1/2 years of Israeli-Palestinian violence, and there has been concern of late that militant groups were turning to younger attackers to fool Israeli security checks. Abdo, though 16, looked far younger, and the Israeli military initially said he was 10. On March 16, Israeli troops stopped an 11-year-old boy allegedly trying to smuggle explosives through the same checkpoint. Israel said militants had given the boy the explosives without his knowledge, either to ferry across the checkpoint or to be blown up by remote control when he got near soldiers. Palestinians and the boy disputed this, claiming the bag he was carrying — swiftly blown up by army sappers — contained auto parts. Last month, Israeli police arrested three boys, aged 12, 13 and 15, who said they were on their way to carry out a shooting attack in the Israeli city of Afula. "No matter how many times Israel learns of the use of children for suicide bombings, it is shocking on each occasion," said Dore Gold, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites). After Wednesday's incident, the army put Abdo before the media for photographs. He was allowed only to say his name, age and grade in school. Abdo's family said the teenager was not affiliated with any militant group, but went to rallies conducted by all of them. They said he identified with whichever group carried out the latest attack on Israelis. His mother, Tamam, was furious at the militants who sent him. "He is a child and he should not be used for such things," the mother said. The family said Abdo acted strangely Tuesday, giving out candy to his family and neighbors and refusing to explain why. He got his hair cut in the style his mother likes and told her he would do anything she wanted, she said. "You never are like this," she said. "What happened?" "I just want you to be happy with me," he responded. He left his house Wednesday morning, saying he was going to school. But he never went there. Hosni Abdo, the brother, said he was angry with whoever persuaded his brother to become a suicide bomber. "The ones who sent him are stupid, because the army will give him two slaps and he will tell them who sent him," he said. ----------------------------------------------------------- Personally, I'm disgusted at Hamas for taking a "gullable" unpopular 16 year old kid and convincing him to go kill himself so he could get laid. If if weren't sick, I'd be laughing. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

03-31-2004, 09:44 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	It is all a conspiracy by the evil Moussad. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

03-25-2004, 08:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Front page of what?

03-25-2004, 08:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
balderdash111 Psycho	PS: I think he means the NY Times (at least, it's on the cover of mine)

03-25-2004, 08:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Aah, ok

03-25-2004, 10:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
spook75 Upright	OK guys, where is the outrage? Israel kills a known terrorist and they are called murderers by the international community, yet when the same sort of murderous bastards like Yassin send retarded 16 year old CHILDREN to blow up civilians there is utter silence. WTF?