02-13-2004, 09:12 PM | #1 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
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The cost of the war in perspective
This link says it all............
http://costofwar.com Watch how fast the meter is running and see what WE COULD BE DOING........... MAKING HALIBURTON RICHER WITH TAXPAYER MONEY Can't believe people support this man. He's driving our kids into bankruptcy and destroying any hope of rebuilding the infrastructure. To what end??????? So that Halliburton can own the world????????????????
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:15 PM | #2 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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How about US LIVES???????
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html and that is just what has been "reported" and doesn't include the suicides, the men dying mysteriously in thier sleep........
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:17 PM | #3 (permalink) | |
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Re: The cost of the war in perspective
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Didn't think so.
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02-13-2004, 09:19 PM | #4 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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Here's what the money could be spent for and if it were there would be no reason for war.
http://www.osearth.com/resources/wwwproject/index.shtml
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:20 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Maybe it could buy every child in america a nice pony too!
Quit spamming your own thread, let others do it for you.
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02-13-2004, 09:27 PM | #6 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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Of course this is all leftist propaganda and Bush is making the right decisions........ better say that don't want someone to turn me in as a non-patriot questioning the government under the Patriot Act and Homeland Security one cannot be too safe.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:28 PM | #7 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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Not my thread. I have nothing to do with it but be an admirer.... so please don't attack me attack the facts......... sorry
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:29 PM | #8 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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Why don't you educate me on Haliburton and Carlysle, instead of attacking me?
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:38 PM | #10 (permalink) | |||
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02-13-2004, 09:53 PM | #11 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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Infrastructure..... education, the environment, giving low interest loans and trying to figure out ways of rebuilding downtowns, making sure white collar criminals are tried and forced to repay investors, basically putting tax payer dollars to actual use for the taxpayer not for companies that overcharge the military on fuel.
Not for wars where the reason changes every time a new poll that shows disapproval numbers comes out.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 09:56 PM | #12 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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If Haliburton is so good then why not open bidding for the competition? Yeah, it is a total coincidence that Cheney sat on thier board. And it is a total pipedream that Bush Sr. works for the Carlysle group now isn't it?
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
02-13-2004, 10:10 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Sorry to get biblical on you but Have fun ranting.
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02-14-2004, 04:26 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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Ustwo - please can you tell us by what standard you measure the current situation in Iraq and are able to describe it as a "democracy"?
Have, for example, the people in power at the moment been elected by the Iraqi people?
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02-14-2004, 08:13 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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Location: Toronto
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UStwo:
Infrastructure: Roads, bridges, highways, railways, airports, sewers, water treatment plants, solid waste management facilities, hospitals, electricity dams You know, the stuff people take for granted but people in the past really sacrificed to build. I read in a technical journal that 1 in 5 bridges in the United States is in poor condition. With each passing day it is becoming more clear that Iraq was NEVER a threat to the United States. They never attacked you. You attacked them. yes, yes, Saddam was a murdering prick, i am glad he is gone, but take your pick of hundreds of murdering pricks out there a lot worse than saddam. You want to keep spending your hard earned tax dollars securing an oil supply for big oil, knock yourself out. I laugh every time that Americans pat themselves on the back saying that they have cheap energy prices (gasoline) compared to the rest of the world. You just paid 100 billion for that "cheap gas" so it aint so cheap after all. |
02-16-2004, 04:01 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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Location: Sweden
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I wonder if this war could be awoided by giving 10 billion $, amnesty and a house in California to Saddam Hussein. No lives lost, no infrastructure destroyed and still no WMD found.
But then again no photo-op in bad-ass looking flightsuit either.
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02-16-2004, 06:23 AM | #19 (permalink) | |
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When awarding government contracts there are measures in place to ensure that there is no insider edge to any companies. Not only were safeguards like this used, they were blatently ignored by the current US administration: Going so far as to limit company's bids for other contracts based on a "did you say yay! to us when we wanted to go to war?" list
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02-16-2004, 08:23 PM | #20 (permalink) | |
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Location: New Zealand
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02-16-2004, 09:49 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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Location: Macon, GA
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You guys are really something else. It's funny how right after 9/11 we were all willing to make sacrifices to ensure the safety of this country. Now, a few year later, we're arguing about who got the contract to rebuild Iraq or whether GWB should have invaded Iraq. I think you're all being short sighted.
The big picture here is that Saddam Hussein harbored and sponsored terrorist, and that made him a threat to America. The world, especially Iraq, is better off without him. WMD? Maybe they existed, maybe not, I don't really care. GWB did what he pledged to do after 9/11, strike pre-emptively to ensure homeland safety. As far as the contract with Haliburton that seems popular on this thread: Do I here griping that the contract was not awarded competitively? Well guess what, government never does anything efficiently. It's funny that you guys want a competitive, free market result here but that some of you argue against free markets and capitalism in other areas. That's why we need smaller government. You liberals in here complaining about Haliburton on this thread don't have a leg to stand on. Do you think Democrats award contracts any differently? Let's be serious. Republicans and Democrats are basically the same party. They both have political favors to repay and palms to grease. And what about the best interest of the Iraqis? What about your compassion and all the rest of those feelings that are so important? Aren't you all happy that Saddam Hussein isn't killing Iraqis any more? What price do you put on human suffering? James T Kirk, please name me one "murdering prick" that is worse than Saddam. I'm just glad that GWB has the strength to stay the course and do unpopular things in order to keep the pledge that he made to Americans after 9/11. We live in such a fickle world and popular opinion can change in a day. Even if I disagree with some of the things GWB has done, I respect a man that says he's going to do something and has the balls to see it through even when half of America has lost interest in the cause.
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02-17-2004, 05:05 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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Location: San Francisco
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Ok, most of this is in response to Dostoevsky, and all of it it IMHO:
Bush took advantage of the situation provided to him by 9/11, I know what he said before attacking Iraq, but there was never any solid tie between the terrorists that attacked the US, and what he wanted to do over there- he was just using America's collective fear of more attacks to run his own agenda. Anyone remember the "they tried to kill my daddy" speech? Iraq was a way for Bush to get more money for "defense", grease his pal's palms, and bulldoze The PATRIOT Act into action. As far as him continuing with an unpopular act, he never should have invaded without having all the facts (as they're now calling it in the media- I prefer the term "lies") in order. Fickle? Nah, I never supported his actions from the beginning, I haven't changed my mind, either.
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02-20-2004, 06:10 PM | #24 (permalink) | ||||
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02-20-2004, 06:47 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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02-20-2004, 07:01 PM | #26 (permalink) |
Psycho
Location: Macon, GA
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SLM3- Saddam was a threat, now that GWB whipped his ass, he's not a threat any longer. Sorry to ruffle your liberal feathers, but your arguement is baseless. Just because we haven't turned up any WMDs yet doesn't mean that he wasn't harboring and supporting terrorism.
Why be an immature name caller?
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02-20-2004, 11:02 PM | #28 (permalink) | |
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Location: Alaska, USA
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More gov spending is the democratic way.
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02-21-2004, 10:36 AM | #29 (permalink) | |
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We allow jobs to be shipped overseas, we have allowed companies to not offer benefits, bring in illegals, hire through temp agencies, our educational system to be in total disarray and so on. While we turn blind eyes, say we need to do something but don't and have one party, in almost total control, actually laughing and making up reasons why this is all acceptable. The other party is too busy trying to figure out how to get back into power and defend thier policies to be effective. Secondly, the tax money we pay SHOULD go to making sure our country stays the greatest. NOT TO PROMOTE HATRED by being in illegal wars, flexing our muscle and intimidating the rest of the world to do what we say. After 9/11 we had every major country in the world supporting us, offering help and assistance. Today we are the most reviled hated country in the world. Something is wrong here very very wrong. We have destroyed our credibilty and mortgaged our children's future for what? A war that proved nothing? If we were truly after WMDs, imminent threats, evil dictators, why have we not done anything to North Korea? Hell, the Chinese have even said they won't do anything if we did. No, Iraq was, is and always will be about 3 things, OIL, making money and W seeking revenge on Saddam for his daddy. If we took even 1/10th of what this war is costing us and put it into education and healthcare we would be a much better country. Instead we have Dr.s that are leaving states because they can't afford the malpractice insurance. We have veterans that our president, Little Boy Who Would Be King, saying he will do anything for being denied access to what benefits are rightfully thiers, VA Hospitals closing and those vets thrown out onto the streets. Within 10 years, I predict that we'll become one of the poorest, most crime ridden countries in the industrialized nations unless we start spending domestically and and rebuild a decent paying job system here.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
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02-21-2004, 11:32 PM | #30 (permalink) | |
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02-22-2004, 12:57 AM | #31 (permalink) |
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Yes, Ansar Al Islam's clashes with the Kurds in Northern Iraq was indeed a stepping stone to massive attacks against the US, due at any moment. Ansar Al Islam, an incredibly well funded terrorist organization, did make it well known that they were hell bent on destroying the US.
And those Palestinian resistance fighters (or terrorists, whatever suits your agenda) were right behind them, planning massive attacks against the US as well. It's a good thing the US invaded Iraq, now the Palestinians are no longer resisting and Ansar Al Islam is merely a shell of the supremely powerful organization it once was. Stick with Uranium from Africa and big aluminum tubes, it's much more convincing. SLM3 |
02-22-2004, 06:41 AM | #32 (permalink) | |
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Well lets see, no WMD's have been found and there is not been a connection to al quida that has been established with saddam and iraq. Lets see, oh yeah, that other guy Osama bin laden, is still roaming 'the hills' as well. GW played on our fears to get the american public to back him to invade a country....For what??? Mr b
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02-22-2004, 07:53 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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Location: Macon, GA
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Why split hairs? Terrorism is terrorism. Bush struck pre-emptively. Many Americans, myself included, think it's awesome. I wonder what we can clean up around the world in his next tenure as president. GO GWB!!
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02-22-2004, 01:05 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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Sure we haven't found no smoking gun, but we have found precusors for WMD's and active programs, yet again putting him in material breach of resolutions.
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