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jcookc6 · 02-07-2004, 07:19 AM

Written by JFK's favorite reporter http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052004...ists/17337.htm

Lebell · 02-07-2004, 08:59 AM

jcookc6,

Please post the content along with the link and provide some commentary of your own for the discussion.

Thanks!

-lebell

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THE REAL KERRY

By HOWIE CARR
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February 5, 2004 -- BOSTON

ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry stories. The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a common theme: our junior senator pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line, demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill arrives.

The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"

And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress.

Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6 million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed by the city of Boston at his behest.

The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later claimed the decision was made on septic, not social, considerations).

It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails Nantucket Sound in "the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley powerboat. Martha Stewart has a similar boat; the no-frills model reportedly starts at $695,000. Sen. Kerry bought it new, for cash.

Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry elbowed out of his way on his march to the top watch, fascinated, as he claims victory in more primaries and denounces the special interests, the "millionaires" and "the overprivileged."

"His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William M. Bulger used to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry. He's only Irish every sixth year." And now it turns out that he's not Irish at all.

But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never really seen as Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although now, of course, he says that any references to his alleged Hibernian heritage were mistakenly put into the Congressional Record by an aide who apparently didn't know that on his paternal side he is, in fact, part-Jewish).

Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one of Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed Ralph Waldo Emerson's daughter was marrying down.

At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a reputation for, shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around quarters like they were manhole covers. In 1993, for instance, living on a senator's salary of about $100,000, he managed to give a total of $135 to charity.

Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600 for a brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907 IE. He kept it for years, until he decided to run for president, at which time he traded it in for a Harley-Davidson like the one he rode onto "The Tonight Show" set a couple of months ago as Jay Leno applauded his fellow Bay Stater.

Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses - a time he now calls "the wandering years," although an equally apt description might be "the freeloading years."

For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes, homeless. His friends allowed him into a real-estate deal in which he flipped a condo for quick resale, netting a $21,000 profit on a cash investment of exactly nothing. For months he rode around in a new car supplied by a shady local Buick dealer. When the dealer's ties to a congressman who was later indicted for racketeering were exposed, Kerry quickly explained that the non-payment was a mere oversight, and wrote out a check.

In the Senate, his record of his constituent services has been lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public support, are hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last fall, a Boston TV reporter ambushed three congressmen with the question, name something John Kerry has accomplished in Congress. After a few nervous giggles, two could think of nothing, and a third mentioned a baseball field, and then misidentified Kerry as "Sen. Kennedy."

Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is cutting them in line - at an airport, a clam shack or the Registry of Motor Vehicles. One talk-show caller a few weeks back recalled standing behind a police barricade in 2002 as the Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a short limousine ride from Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion.

The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as they attempted to enter the theater. Finally, he said, the senator turned to him and asked him the eternal question.

"Do you know who I am?"

"Yeah," said Jay. "You're a gold-digger."

John Kerry. First he looks at the purse.

Howie Carr, a Boston Herald columnist and syndicated talk-radio host, has been covering John Kerry for 25 years.

Phaenx · 02-07-2004, 09:47 AM

Man, if anyone ever asks me if I "know who [they] are" I'll throw a fucking rock at their skull.

Lebell · 02-07-2004, 10:13 AM

I guess I would have responded, "Yeah, you're the asshole who's cutting in line."

Scipio · 02-07-2004, 10:13 AM

Kinda reminds me of GWB. Only he marries librarians. And no motorcycles.

maximusveritas · 02-07-2004, 12:39 PM

wow, that hit piece was a load of crap. Howie Carr is just a Murdoch tabloid writer with 0 credibility. If anyone here thinks that every other senator/high-ranking politician waits in line like the rest of us, you are sadly mistaken.
Also, i don't know what jcookc6 is trying to say by putting "War Hero" in quotes, but the article doesn't even touch this issue, mainly because its completely true. As Douglas Brinkley's book pointed out, John Kerry is the real deal. That's why guys like Carr are shaking right now.

Sparhawk · 02-07-2004, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maximusveritas
Also, i don't know what jcookc6 is trying to say by putting "War Hero" in quotes, but the article doesn't even touch this issue, mainly because its completely true. As Douglas Brinkley's book pointed out, John Kerry is the real deal. That's why guys like Carr are shaking right now.

Beat me to it.

jcookc6 · 02-07-2004, 07:52 PM

OK, here is another article on John Forbes Kerry that was in the New York Times a newspaper well respected by everyone, and not a Boston Tabloid. It refers to Kerry as a, not the war hero, and lists his lack of accomplishments in the Senate. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/po...gn/08KERR.html
Look, I am not pro Bush, but the democratic party had better get a better messenger.

Lebell · 02-07-2004, 07:59 PM

jcookc6,

PM sent, and you have to register for that site.

goateebird · 02-07-2004, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jcookc6
OK, here is another article on John Forbes Kerry that was in the New York Times a newspaper well respected by everyone, and not a Boston Tabloid. It refers to Kerry as a, not the war hero, and lists his lack of accomplishments in the Senate. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/po...gn/08KERR.html
Look, I am not pro Bush, but the democratic party had better get a better messenger.

After the first page, that's actually a very positive article on him. Did you read the whole thing?

Macheath · 02-07-2004, 10:08 PM

I read that New York Times article. All of those years in the Senate he could have been pushing Democrat bills and instead he was off doing pointless, silly things like investigating Noriega, the Contras, Ferdinand Marcos, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International and normalizing relations with Vietnam.

What a lazy failure.

Ustwo · 02-07-2004, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Macheath
I read that New York Times article. All of those years in the Senate he could have been pushing Democrat bills and instead he was off doing pointless, silly things like investigating Noriega, the Contras, Ferdinand Marcos, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International and normalizing relations with Vietnam.

Everyone in the senate ends up on various committees, its not like he was a great crusader. He is a fine example of a kept man though

jcookc6 · 02-08-2004, 02:07 AM

Lebell

If you can register for this site(which you had to) then I think you ought to be able to figure out how to register for the NYT, it doesnt cost anything. Besides as they say on the print edition:
ALL THE NEWS FIT TO PRINT
Though not exactly the conservative point of view, but GW does subscribe. Who knows he might even read this site.

Peetster · 02-08-2004, 06:27 AM

jcookc6

If you can read your PMs(which you had to) then I think you ought to be able to figure out how to post an article, not just a link to it.

Personally, I don't WANT to register to read an article. Like many people here, if you don't quote the article I'm not going to read it and you are wasting my time.

dragon2fire · 02-08-2004, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peetster
jcookc6

If you can read your PMs(which you had to) then I think you ought to be able to figure out how to post an article, not just a link to it.

Personally, I don't WANT to register to read an article. Like many people here, if you don't quote the article I'm not going to read it and you are wasting my time.

what he said

for the love of god man copy paste is very easy to use

Ratman · 02-08-2004, 08:23 PM

For anyone that doesn't know how to post an article from The New York Times:

1. Click on the icon that says "printer friendly version", as this takes out all of the ads.

2. At the top of your screen is the Internet Explorer toolbar (assuming you are using IE). Click on "Edit" and then "Select all." This will highlight the entire text of the article, including date, byline, etc.

3. On your mouse (it's the thing your right hand is probably on right now), there is a button on the right side. Place the arrow on your screen on ANY point of the highlighted text and press the right mouse button. In the menu that opens, left click on "Copy".

4. Now go to the appropriate forum on the TFP, and open a new thread.

5. Put an introduction ahead of the article, so that members know what they are looking at.

6. put the pointer at the place you want to insert the text from the NYT. Right click and select "Paste". The text should appear.

7. After you paste the article, give your thoughts and/ or opinions about what you just put up. It helps members understand why you are posting, and what your position is on the post.

8. Sit back and enjoy as people read what you've posted and engage in lively debate.

Now, as to the thread at hand. I think these things, like GWB's "accomplishments" will become clearer as we approach the election. This could be a big business win-win election if Bonesmen take care of thier own.

jcookc6 · 02-09-2004, 01:06 AM

Ok, I understand what you guys want, but do not understand why. By doing the above seems to wasting space or bandwith or whatever you want to call it.

Lebell · 02-09-2004, 01:09 AM

It's ours to waste.

Humor us

02-07-2004, 07:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
jcookc6 Psycho Location: Venice, Florida	Good article on the "War Hero" Written by JFK's favorite reporter http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052004...ists/17337.htm

02-07-2004, 08:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	jcookc6, Please post the content along with the link and provide some commentary of your own for the discussion. Thanks! -lebell -------------------------------------------- THE REAL KERRY By HOWIE CARR -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- February 5, 2004 -- BOSTON ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any Massachusetts talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and tell their John Kerry stories. The phone lines are soon filled, and most of the stories have a common theme: our junior senator pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line, demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill arrives. The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen. Kerry inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?" And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife came from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His second wife is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress. Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed $6 million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented him and his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony digs was removed by the city of Boston at his behest. The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they summer on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert Avenue, which is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser, they imported porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later claimed the decision was made on septic, not social, considerations). It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails Nantucket Sound in "the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley powerboat. Martha Stewart has a similar boat; the no-frills model reportedly starts at $695,000. Sen. Kerry bought it new, for cash. Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry elbowed out of his way on his march to the top watch, fascinated, as he claims victory in more primaries and denounces the special interests, the "millionaires" and "the overprivileged." "His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William M. Bulger used to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry. He's only Irish every sixth year." And now it turns out that he's not Irish at all. But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never really seen as Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although now, of course, he says that any references to his alleged Hibernian heritage were mistakenly put into the Congressional Record by an aide who apparently didn't know that on his paternal side he is, in fact, part-Jewish). Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one of Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed Ralph Waldo Emerson's daughter was marrying down. At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a reputation for, shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around quarters like they were manhole covers. In 1993, for instance, living on a senator's salary of about $100,000, he managed to give a total of $135 to charity. Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600 for a brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907 IE. He kept it for years, until he decided to run for president, at which time he traded it in for a Harley-Davidson like the one he rode onto "The Tonight Show" set a couple of months ago as Jay Leno applauded his fellow Bay Stater. Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses - a time he now calls "the wandering years," although an equally apt description might be "the freeloading years." For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes, homeless. His friends allowed him into a real-estate deal in which he flipped a condo for quick resale, netting a $21,000 profit on a cash investment of exactly nothing. For months he rode around in a new car supplied by a shady local Buick dealer. When the dealer's ties to a congressman who was later indicted for racketeering were exposed, Kerry quickly explained that the non-payment was a mere oversight, and wrote out a check. In the Senate, his record of his constituent services has been lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public support, are hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last fall, a Boston TV reporter ambushed three congressmen with the question, name something John Kerry has accomplished in Congress. After a few nervous giggles, two could think of nothing, and a third mentioned a baseball field, and then misidentified Kerry as "Sen. Kennedy." Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is cutting them in line - at an airport, a clam shack or the Registry of Motor Vehicles. One talk-show caller a few weeks back recalled standing behind a police barricade in 2002 as the Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a short limousine ride from Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion. The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as they attempted to enter the theater. Finally, he said, the senator turned to him and asked him the eternal question. "Do you know who I am?" "Yeah," said Jay. "You're a gold-digger." John Kerry. First he looks at the purse. Howie Carr, a Boston Herald columnist and syndicated talk-radio host, has been covering John Kerry for 25 years. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

02-07-2004, 09:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Man, if anyone ever asks me if I "know who [they] are" I'll throw a fucking rock at their skull. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

02-07-2004, 10:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I guess I would have responded, "Yeah, you're the asshole who's cutting in line." __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

02-07-2004, 10:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Scipio Mencken Location: College	Kinda reminds me of GWB. Only he marries librarians. And no motorcycles. __________________ "Erections lasting more than 4 hours, though rare, require immediate medical attention."

02-07-2004, 12:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	wow, that hit piece was a load of crap. Howie Carr is just a Murdoch tabloid writer with 0 credibility. If anyone here thinks that every other senator/high-ranking politician waits in line like the rest of us, you are sadly mistaken. Also, i don't know what jcookc6 is trying to say by putting "War Hero" in quotes, but the article doesn't even touch this issue, mainly because its completely true. As Douglas Brinkley's book pointed out, John Kerry is the real deal. That's why guys like Carr are shaking right now.

02-07-2004, 07:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
jcookc6 Psycho Location: Venice, Florida	OK, here is another article on John Forbes Kerry that was in the New York Times a newspaper well respected by everyone, and not a Boston Tabloid. It refers to Kerry as a, not the war hero, and lists his lack of accomplishments in the Senate. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/po...gn/08KERR.html Look, I am not pro Bush, but the democratic party had better get a better messenger.

02-07-2004, 07:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	jcookc6, PM sent, and you have to register for that site. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

02-07-2004, 10:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	I read that New York Times article. All of those years in the Senate he could have been pushing Democrat bills and instead he was off doing pointless, silly things like investigating Noriega, the Contras, Ferdinand Marcos, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International and normalizing relations with Vietnam. What a lazy failure.

02-08-2004, 02:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
jcookc6 Psycho Location: Venice, Florida	Lebell If you can register for this site(which you had to) then I think you ought to be able to figure out how to register for the NYT, it doesnt cost anything. Besides as they say on the print edition: ALL THE NEWS FIT TO PRINT Though not exactly the conservative point of view, but GW does subscribe. Who knows he might even read this site.

02-08-2004, 06:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	jcookc6 If you can read your PMs(which you had to) then I think you ought to be able to figure out how to post an article, not just a link to it. Personally, I don't WANT to register to read an article. Like many people here, if you don't quote the article I'm not going to read it and you are wasting my time.

02-08-2004, 08:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ratman Addict Location: Somewhere... Across the sea...	For anyone that doesn't know how to post an article from The New York Times: 1. Click on the icon that says "printer friendly version", as this takes out all of the ads. 2. At the top of your screen is the Internet Explorer toolbar (assuming you are using IE). Click on "Edit" and then "Select all." This will highlight the entire text of the article, including date, byline, etc. 3. On your mouse (it's the thing your right hand is probably on right now), there is a button on the right side. Place the arrow on your screen on ANY point of the highlighted text and press the right mouse button. In the menu that opens, left click on "Copy". 4. Now go to the appropriate forum on the TFP, and open a new thread. 5. Put an introduction ahead of the article, so that members know what they are looking at. 6. put the pointer at the place you want to insert the text from the NYT. Right click and select "Paste". The text should appear. 7. After you paste the article, give your thoughts and/ or opinions about what you just put up. It helps members understand why you are posting, and what your position is on the post. 8. Sit back and enjoy as people read what you've posted and engage in lively debate. Now, as to the thread at hand. I think these things, like GWB's "accomplishments" will become clearer as we approach the election. This could be a big business win-win election if Bonesmen take care of thier own. __________________ The difference between theory and reality is that in theory there is no difference. "God made man, but he used the monkey to do it." DEVO

02-09-2004, 01:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
jcookc6 Psycho Location: Venice, Florida	Ok, I understand what you guys want, but do not understand why. By doing the above seems to wasting space or bandwith or whatever you want to call it.

02-09-2004, 01:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	It's ours to waste. Humor us __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!