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mrbuck12000 · 01-26-2004, 07:34 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...a_040126144724

"VIENNA (AFP) - US Attorney General John Ashcroft said that even without weapons of mass destruction (WMD) deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein posed "a threat" justifying the US war to oust him.
"Weapons of mass destruction including evil chemistry and evil biology are all matters of great concern, not only to the United States but also to the world community. They were the subject of U.N. resolutions," Ashcroft said.

"I believe there is a very clear understanding that Saddam Hussein continued to pose a threat," he said. "

so were there WMD"s or not John??? Are you saying there weren't? Then why tell the american public there was?

Here i thought EVIL BIOLOGY, EVIL CHEMISTRY were only in college. my bad. That must be the subject that 'Evil doers' take!!!

Dick skirts the whole issue:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...cheney_iraq_dc

"ROME (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) defended the U.S.-led Iraq (news - web sites) war Monday but did not address mounting criticism over the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and his own part in U.S. charges that Iraq had stockpiled them.

"Today the former dictator (of Iraq) sits in captivity; he can no longer harbor and support terrorists, and his long efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction are at an end," Cheney told Italian political and business leaders.

But in his speech in the Italian Senate, he made no mention of earlier U.S. charges that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons -- the heart of the U.S. case for invading the country last March. "

What next...are they gonna tell us that mars really isn't mars but actually somewhere outside of phoenix, AZ

Mr b

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-26-2004, 07:47 PM

Why are you looking for answers from John Ashcroft? As a policy maker his only concern and jurisdiction is domestic policy, not national security or intelligence.

nanofever · 01-26-2004, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrbuck12000
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...a_040126144724

"VIENNA (AFP) - US Attorney General John Ashcroft said that even without weapons of mass destruction (WMD) deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein posed "a threat" justifying the US war to oust him.
"Weapons of mass destruction including evil chemistry and evil biology are all matters of great concern, not only to the United States but also to the world community. They were the subject of U.N. resolutions," Ashcroft said.

"I believe there is a very clear understanding that Saddam Hussein continued to pose a threat," he said. "

so were there WMD"s or not John??? Are you saying there weren't? Then why tell the american public there was?

Here i thought EVIL BIOLOGY, EVIL CHEMISTRY were only in college. my bad. That must be the subject that 'Evil doers' take!!!

Dick skirts the whole issue:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...cheney_iraq_dc

"ROME (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) defended the U.S.-led Iraq (news - web sites) war Monday but did not address mounting criticism over the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and his own part in U.S. charges that Iraq had stockpiled them.

"Today the former dictator (of Iraq) sits in captivity; he can no longer harbor and support terrorists, and his long efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction are at an end," Cheney told Italian political and business leaders.

But in his speech in the Italian Senate, he made no mention of earlier U.S. charges that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons -- the heart of the U.S. case for invading the country last March. "

What next...are they gonna tell us that mars really isn't mars but actually somewhere outside of phoenix, AZ

Mr b

I would trust a starving dingo to guard a juicy prime rib sitting on my kitchen floor before I trust ashcroft. Namely because he both sticks his nose where it doesn't belong (WMD policy) and then does his required jobs poorly.

maximusveritas · 01-26-2004, 08:25 PM

Well, if those areas are not Ashcroft's concern, why is he talking about them?
Still, I do agree that Ashcroft is the wrong guy to look to for answers. Its the President that needs to step up and provide some answers. Not finding the WMD is very embarassing for his administration and its really in his interest to find out why this happened.

Evil Milkman · 01-26-2004, 08:47 PM

And I wonder if Ashcroft got terribly sick... Would he rely on modern medicine (biology, chemistry) to help find his cure? Or would saving his life with science be "EVIL"? God, he's so fucking stupid.

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-26-2004, 08:50 PM

Well I don't think it would come down to that since he was referring to biology such as the creation of anthrax and sarin, and chemistry such as VX nerve agents and mustard gas.

Evil Milkman · 01-26-2004, 08:57 PM

Yeah, true. But, it's not about EVIL BIOLOGY BLAH BLAH BLAH... It's more about how evil people use the great sciences for evil.

nanofever · 01-26-2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Well I don't think it would come down to that since he was referring to biology such as the creation of anthrax and sarin, and chemistry such as VX nerve agents and mustard gas.

Saddam wanted to become an evil vet at an evil petting zoo, but he simply couldn't find an open position since evil petting zoos are rather rare.

I went to evil TFP posting college, you think it is a regular post but really it is laced with pure evil. MUhaaaahaaaaahaaaaa *cough* muhaaha *weeze* ha

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-26-2004, 09:37 PM

Sounds like you need to see an evil doctor...

Nad Adam · 01-27-2004, 05:00 PM

nanofever - I don't get it?

nanofever · 01-27-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Nad Adam
nanofever - I don't get it?

The conversation between Scott and Dr.Evil about Scott's life plans in Austin Powers two.

Nad Adam · 01-27-2004, 05:12 PM

Aha, now i remember. I'm being a bit slow since ive worked the last 20hours, sorry.

fnaqzna · 01-27-2004, 08:17 PM

Hmmm... I'm looking at the quote and all I can see is "blah, blah, blah, I'm a fascist pig"

Let's see... No WMD so the threat card isn't going to play and now the "liberation" of the Iraqi people is not a humanitarian intervention. I'm having trouble believing that we did it for the oil, low test around here is a buck seventy four. Hmmm... what's left... lucrative contracts for Bush friends?

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-27-2004, 08:20 PM

It was an issue of policy, if you think its about our oil interests or Haliburton contracts you have no business talking about the issue.

And try and tell me that going into Iraq, or better yet tell it to an Iraqi now, or one of the 2.5 million people dead that Saddam is responsible for, that it wasn't humanitarian.

fnaqzna · 01-27-2004, 08:29 PM

You're absolutely right... the Iraqi people have welcomed their liberation with open arms and glad hearts and an average of 60 soldiers per month haven't really died.

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-27-2004, 09:00 PM

I mean I suppose the fact that a great many foreign infultrators coming in from Syria and the likes wouldn't mean anything...

fnaqzna · 01-27-2004, 09:03 PM

That's got a nice beat, but it's hard to dance to...

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-27-2004, 09:09 PM

In what reality???

fnaqzna · 01-27-2004, 09:16 PM

It's your story... make it as big as you want.

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-27-2004, 09:21 PM

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031...1531-4981r.htm

Quote:

'Cage' confines infiltrators on Iraq border with Syria

By Philip Smucker
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

TIGER BASE, Iraq-Syria border — Fighters in the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment refer to it simply as "the Cage." It is a barbed-wire detention center for suspected foreign infiltrators consisting of a circular pen lined with rigid metal containers.
Inside, the prisoners — some of them "high-value targets" with foreign identity cards — quietly await their interrogations. Several genuflect to God, while others simply run their fingers through the brown sand that stretches for miles in all directions.
U.S. soldiers jokingly call the enclosure, designed to hold up to 2,000 prisoners, the "Super Bowl of Jihads." But it is seldom clear who sent the detainees across the border from Syria, and even their captors say most are probably not members of any organized movement.
"What we are trying to get ... are the foreign fighters that might come across," said Maj. Gen. Charles H. Swannack Jr., commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division out of Ft. Bragg, N.C., during a recent visit to the camp.
"We believe that there are not only former regime loyalists but also foreign fighters, and this operation is focused specifically on trying to discern the rat lines — as we call them — that head down to Baghdad.
"Some of the battle damage assessments show that we are finding some of these foreign fighters in pretty good numbers. We are also learning how the enemy is [infiltrating Iraq]."
Pentagon officials have pinpointed the Syrian border as a key crossing point for al Qaeda and other jihadist groups who hope to confront U.S. forces in Iraq. For now, U.S. ground commanders view other crossing points on the Saudi and Iranian borders as less crucial to the antiterror campaign.
But the terror organizations deliberately have chosen not to send large numbers of foreign fighters into Iraq, said Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's World Armies.
"These jihadi groups ... have recognized that it is pointless to send an untrained jihadi into Iraq — partly because it is more likely to disrupt the struggle than assist it," he said.
Rather, he said, the organizations "are moving in highly trained operatives who can work on the ground with Iraqis in a 'value-added' capacity by imparting strategy and know-how."
Col. David A. Teeples, the commander of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, agreed.
"What these groups do is send a few over the border to help with training in this area and then move on," he said. "We are finding that they like to bring together five or six individuals into a cell and practice making bombs, then they push out of here to link up with other network contacts."
Most foreign fighters, said Col. Teeples, do not enter or leave Iraq with weapons.
"Everything they already need, including guns and bombs, is right here in Iraq at their disposal when they arrive," he said.
Col. Teeples cited the capture of nearly a dozen Saudi and Yemeni militants on the Syrian border during the past two weeks as evidence that a steady trickle of foreign fighters is entering Iraq. His forces have confronted several small groups and arrested nearly a dozen of what he referred to as "high-value targets" in recent days in a sweep that was scheduled to wind up yesterday.
It is dangerous work. The military announced yesterday that two members of the regiment were killed and a third was wounded Saturday when a task force was hit by rocket-propelled grenades and automatic fire east of Husaybah.
Husaybah, the largest city on the border, has been the focus of a massive house-to-house sweep for the insurgents' rat lines, according to Lt. Col. Joe Buche.
"Rat lines are the kind of the movement you would get from a rat when you turn on the lights — they scurry from place of cover to place of cover. They move to one site, they rest, and somebody else is watching out for them. They can then move to another site on command, so that they are not exposed.
"The insurgents have a series of small cells, and the small cells know what their own are doing," he added. "If we can get the guys in the center, then the whole network could fall apart."
Gaining solid intelligence on the Iraqi resistance and its links to al Qaeda remains a daunting task. Many of the several hundred recent detainees on the border have been accused only of curfew violations, of carrying small satellite phones similar to the type often used by smugglers or of not having proper identification.
In fact, three detainees caught in northern Iraq would be the first confirmed members of al Qaeda to be captured in the country if initial reports are borne out.
Asked during the weekend whether any al Qaeda members had been captured, Col. Joe Anderson, commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division, told the Associated Press in Mosul that three Iraqi members of the group were captured two weeks ago.
"We take them, we process them through a detention facility ... and if all the facts wind up, they go to Baghdad and ... that's the last I ever hear from them," he said.

fnaqzna · 01-27-2004, 09:26 PM

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"Some of the battle damage assessments show that we are finding some of these foreign fighters in pretty good numbers. We are also learning how the enemy is [infiltrating Iraq]."

"Some" but not "most".

Quote:

But the terror organizations deliberately have chosen not to send large numbers of foreign fighters into Iraq, said Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's World Armies.
"These jihadi groups ... have recognized that it is pointless to send an untrained jihadi into Iraq — partly because it is more likely to disrupt the struggle than assist it," he said.

This looks my side of the argument... thanx.

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In fact, three detainees caught in northern Iraq would be the first confirmed members of al Qaeda to be captured in the country if initial reports are borne out.

Three! God help us! Three!

Mojo_PeiPei · 01-27-2004, 09:29 PM

Just because people being detained aren't from Al-Qeada doesn't mean there aren't infiltrators. Whose to say they aren't Arab/Islamic Nationalists like in the cases of Afganistan and Israel? Hell whose to say Hezbollah isn't coming in from Lebanon/Syria/Iran, its been a good 20 years since they've had a shot at the "Great Satan".

fnaqzna · 01-27-2004, 09:37 PM

Like I said... it's your story...

powerclown · 01-29-2004, 12:15 PM

Ashcroft is towing the company line; the Administration is broadcasting its message loud and clear from every mouthpiece it has.

Didn't Hussein use WMD against the Kurds? Isn't it an historic fact that he DID HAVE, at one time, biological and chemical WMD? He knew it, we knew it, everyone in the Middle East knew it! Everyone thought he was nuts, but nobody could do anything about it, Iraq being a legitimate, sovereign country and all. We waited too long, and he got rid of, or buried, the incriminating evidence (in Syria?).

Bush [Family of Powerful American Oilmen] + Iraq [2nd Largest Oil Reserves in the World, Conveniently Run by a Madman] + 9/11 = Iraq War II

The Great Creator did a strange thing when he decided to put so much oil in such a volatile part of the world...

01-26-2004, 07:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrbuck12000 Psycho Location: wisCONsin	ashcroft: EVIL BIOLOGY, EVIL CHEMISTRY http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...a_040126144724 "VIENNA (AFP) - US Attorney General John Ashcroft said that even without weapons of mass destruction (WMD) deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein posed "a threat" justifying the US war to oust him. "Weapons of mass destruction including evil chemistry and evil biology are all matters of great concern, not only to the United States but also to the world community. They were the subject of U.N. resolutions," Ashcroft said. "I believe there is a very clear understanding that Saddam Hussein continued to pose a threat," he said. " so were there WMD"s or not John??? Are you saying there weren't? Then why tell the american public there was? Here i thought EVIL BIOLOGY, EVIL CHEMISTRY were only in college. my bad. That must be the subject that 'Evil doers' take!!! Dick skirts the whole issue: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...cheney_iraq_dc "ROME (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) defended the U.S.-led Iraq (news - web sites) war Monday but did not address mounting criticism over the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and his own part in U.S. charges that Iraq had stockpiled them. "Today the former dictator (of Iraq) sits in captivity; he can no longer harbor and support terrorists, and his long efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction are at an end," Cheney told Italian political and business leaders. But in his speech in the Italian Senate, he made no mention of earlier U.S. charges that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons -- the heart of the U.S. case for invading the country last March. " What next...are they gonna tell us that mars really isn't mars but actually somewhere outside of phoenix, AZ Mr b __________________ "There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again." - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002

01-26-2004, 07:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Why are you looking for answers from John Ashcroft? As a policy maker his only concern and jurisdiction is domestic policy, not national security or intelligence. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-26-2004, 08:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Well I don't think it would come down to that since he was referring to biology such as the creation of anthrax and sarin, and chemistry such as VX nerve agents and mustard gas. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-26-2004, 09:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Sounds like you need to see an evil doctor... __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-27-2004, 05:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	nanofever - I don't get it? __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9

01-26-2004, 08:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	Well, if those areas are not Ashcroft's concern, why is he talking about them? Still, I do agree that Ashcroft is the wrong guy to look to for answers. Its the President that needs to step up and provide some answers. Not finding the WMD is very embarassing for his administration and its really in his interest to find out why this happened.

01-26-2004, 08:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Evil Milkman Addict Location: Illinois	And I wonder if Ashcroft got terribly sick... Would he rely on modern medicine (biology, chemistry) to help find his cure? Or would saving his life with science be "EVIL"? God, he's so fucking stupid.

01-26-2004, 08:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Evil Milkman Addict Location: Illinois	Yeah, true. But, it's not about EVIL BIOLOGY BLAH BLAH BLAH... It's more about how evil people use the great sciences for evil.

01-27-2004, 05:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	Aha, now i remember. I'm being a bit slow since ive worked the last 20hours, sorry. __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9

01-27-2004, 08:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
fnaqzna Meat Popsicle Location: Left Coast	Hmmm... I'm looking at the quote and all I can see is "blah, blah, blah, I'm a fascist pig" Let's see... No WMD so the threat card isn't going to play and now the "liberation" of the Iraqi people is not a humanitarian intervention. I'm having trouble believing that we did it for the oil, low test around here is a buck seventy four. Hmmm... what's left... lucrative contracts for Bush friends?

01-27-2004, 08:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	It was an issue of policy, if you think its about our oil interests or Haliburton contracts you have no business talking about the issue. And try and tell me that going into Iraq, or better yet tell it to an Iraqi now, or one of the 2.5 million people dead that Saddam is responsible for, that it wasn't humanitarian. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-27-2004, 08:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
fnaqzna Meat Popsicle Location: Left Coast	You're absolutely right... the Iraqi people have welcomed their liberation with open arms and glad hearts and an average of 60 soldiers per month haven't really died.

01-27-2004, 09:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	I mean I suppose the fact that a great many foreign infultrators coming in from Syria and the likes wouldn't mean anything... __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-27-2004, 09:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
fnaqzna Meat Popsicle Location: Left Coast	That's got a nice beat, but it's hard to dance to...

01-27-2004, 09:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	In what reality??? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-27-2004, 09:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
fnaqzna Meat Popsicle Location: Left Coast	It's your story... make it as big as you want.

01-27-2004, 09:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Just because people being detained aren't from Al-Qeada doesn't mean there aren't infiltrators. Whose to say they aren't Arab/Islamic Nationalists like in the cases of Afganistan and Israel? Hell whose to say Hezbollah isn't coming in from Lebanon/Syria/Iran, its been a good 20 years since they've had a shot at the "Great Satan". __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

01-27-2004, 09:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
fnaqzna Meat Popsicle Location: Left Coast	Like I said... it's your story...

01-29-2004, 12:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	Ashcroft is towing the company line; the Administration is broadcasting its message loud and clear from every mouthpiece it has. Didn't Hussein use WMD against the Kurds? Isn't it an historic fact that he DID HAVE, at one time, biological and chemical WMD? He knew it, we knew it, everyone in the Middle East knew it! Everyone thought he was nuts, but nobody could do anything about it, Iraq being a legitimate, sovereign country and all. We waited too long, and he got rid of, or buried, the incriminating evidence (in Syria?). Bush [Family of Powerful American Oilmen] + Iraq [2nd Largest Oil Reserves in the World, Conveniently Run by a Madman] + 9/11 = Iraq War II The Great Creator did a strange thing when he decided to put so much oil in such a volatile part of the world...