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Phaenx · 01-24-2004, 09:27 AM

Do you really? I think they're a bunch of phoney bitches who constantly nag at each other like a woman would.

Generally I like the President if he's either honest, or doesn't constantly piss me off, but otherwise I don't really like politicians.

HarmlessRabbit · 01-24-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Do you really? I think they're a bunch of phoney bitches who constantly nag at each other like a woman would.

Generally I like the President if he's either honest, or doesn't constantly piss me off, but otherwise I don't really like politicians.

I'm with you. I think the nature of being a politician is self-corrupting, especially in these days of soft money.

Hell, Ben Franklin would be roasted by the press if he was alive today.

Strange Famous · 01-24-2004, 10:41 AM

some of them, Tony Benn for example, I like.

Zamunda · 01-24-2004, 12:36 PM

There's something slimy about all high level politicians because it takes more than being a good candidate to get elected. The problem with politicians is that they play politics, which can sometimes be a sideshow to important decisions. Whlie both of the above statements are true to some degree, politicians are not all bad and are actually a necessity. It's pretty funny if you think about it, if you'd want a politician who didn't play politics and wasn't elected... sounds like a dictatorship there, so I guess politicians aren't all bad.

seretogis · 01-24-2004, 01:03 PM

Career politicians are what is wrong with this country. It's that simple.

Lebell · 01-24-2004, 06:03 PM

I've know my local politicians and a few of them are alright guys.

Unfortunately the higher you go, the more likely you are sucked into career politics and then you mortgage your soul to Satan.

So, a few are alright, but in general, no.

NoseyJoe · 01-24-2004, 07:54 PM

the problem with higher politicians is that they can only get elected if they support special interests who give them money, so the common man/woman is just screwed.

nanofever · 01-24-2004, 08:03 PM

A few politicians SEEM like they are somewhat trustworthy people or they hide the slime trails rather well, John McCain comes to mind.

archer2371 · 01-24-2004, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Career politicians are what is wrong with this country. It's that simple.

Indeed, they need to stop giving themselves some big fat pay raises. Being a politician should be like a side job, not the main source of income for someone, that way they actually have to work. Back when the country was founded and even a good ways in, most of the politicians were mainly practicing lawyers, doctors, or they had some other job that was their main income, and they served as politicians to better the people, not to make money.

But back to the topic at hand...
I like some, but there are quite a few that I could just care less for.

ARTelevision · 01-25-2004, 08:32 AM

Politicians are a necessary part of our system of government. They do their jobs relatively well. It's not easy being a leader (target for everyone's easy criticism).

Macheath · 01-25-2004, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by archer2371
Indeed, they need to stop giving themselves some big fat pay raises. Being a politician should be like a side job, not the main source of income for someone, that way they actually have to work. Back when the country was founded and even a good ways in, most of the politicians were mainly practicing lawyers, doctors, or they had some other job that was their main income, and they served as politicians to better the people, not to make money.

Back in the day that was exactly what happened, so elected officials could only represent the interests of lawyers and surgeons and independently wealthy folk with stock portfolios and rather nice estates - just like them.

Then you got salaries and suddenly other folk could go into politics. Two of my favourite politicians were previously a boilermaker and a train driver. And salaries aren't exactly massive. Not even 'President of the United States' is the most lucrative job on the basis of salary alone.

The real problem is the former politician who joins the board of a major company; has "friends" and knows what laws are "due for a change" in congress. Blatant conflict of interest is a nasty, nasty thing.

Asking "do you like politicians?" is like asking "do you like lawyers?". Which ones? The lawyer who does pro bono work for refugees or the RIAA lawyers?

archer2371 · 01-25-2004, 12:59 PM

Point taken. True, the salary of the POTUS isn't the most lucrative in the world, but 500 thou/year is still pretty damn good. So is the close to 200 thou/year that Congresspersons get. I guess what I meant was that I would like to see Congress take a pay cut. So that the politicians have to take another job to support themselves. That would be the ultimate if the same guy that represented your district was also the guy that lived next door and was your co-worker as well.

nanofever · 01-25-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by archer2371
Point taken. True, the salary of the POTUS isn't the most lucrative in the world, but 500 thou/year is still pretty damn good. So is the close to 200 thou/year that Congresspersons get. I guess what I meant was that I would like to see Congress take a pay cut. So that the politicians have to take another job to support themselves. That would be the ultimate if the same guy that represented your district was also the guy that lived next door and was your co-worker as well.

You forget that each Senator gets something like 2Mil to run their office, "run their office" is a rather flexible term.

archer2371 · 01-25-2004, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by nanofever
You forget that each Senator gets something like 2Mil to run their office, "run their office" is a rather flexible term.

That too.

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01-24-2004, 09:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Do you like politicians? Do you really? I think they're a bunch of phoney bitches who constantly nag at each other like a woman would. Generally I like the President if he's either honest, or doesn't constantly piss me off, but otherwise I don't really like politicians. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

01-24-2004, 10:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	some of them, Tony Benn for example, I like. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

01-24-2004, 12:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Zamunda Tilted	There's something slimy about all high level politicians because it takes more than being a good candidate to get elected. The problem with politicians is that they play politics, which can sometimes be a sideshow to important decisions. Whlie both of the above statements are true to some degree, politicians are not all bad and are actually a necessity. It's pretty funny if you think about it, if you'd want a politician who didn't play politics and wasn't elected... sounds like a dictatorship there, so I guess politicians aren't all bad. __________________ There's always something at the end of the road If you're not ready to see what it is You probably shouldn't be out there -The Hire

01-24-2004, 01:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Career politicians are what is wrong with this country. It's that simple. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

01-24-2004, 06:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I've know my local politicians and a few of them are alright guys. Unfortunately the higher you go, the more likely you are sucked into career politics and then you mortgage your soul to Satan. So, a few are alright, but in general, no. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-24-2004, 07:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
NoseyJoe Tilted Location: Michigan	the problem with higher politicians is that they can only get elected if they support special interests who give them money, so the common man/woman is just screwed. __________________ "the only difference between suicide and martyrdom is press coverage." -- Chuck Palahniuk

01-24-2004, 08:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
nanofever Huzzah for Welcome Week, Much beer shall I imbibe. Location: UCSB	A few politicians SEEM like they are somewhat trustworthy people or they hide the slime trails rather well, John McCain comes to mind. __________________ I'm leaving for the University of California: Santa Barbara in 5 hours, give me your best college advice - things I need, good ideas, bad ideas, nooky, ect. Originally Posted by Norseman on another forum: "Yeah, the problem with the world is the stupid people are all cocksure of themselves and the intellectuals are full of doubt."

01-25-2004, 08:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	Politicians are a necessary part of our system of government. They do their jobs relatively well. It's not easy being a leader (target for everyone's easy criticism). __________________ create evolution

01-25-2004, 12:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Point taken. True, the salary of the POTUS isn't the most lucrative in the world, but 500 thou/year is still pretty damn good. So is the close to 200 thou/year that Congresspersons get. I guess what I meant was that I would like to see Congress take a pay cut. So that the politicians have to take another job to support themselves. That would be the ultimate if the same guy that represented your district was also the guy that lived next door and was your co-worker as well. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."