You have my condolences, I am not saying that 9/11 was irrelevant, just that it is in no way equal to ww2 or the civil war. Thus, i don't really think that this should be used as a excuse for reducing personal freedom. At wartime, the government might have to seize less democratic forms of control for a while, but a few acts of terrorism does not require such actions. I am sorry if I have unintentionally disrespected your loss, but I hope you agree that emotional factors such as this can't choke the debate.

It is not sure that the threat of terror is any greater now than pre-9/11, it might very well be smaller. The only difference is that they succeded this time. Yet, laws are passed as if the threat of terror is increasing. Ironically, many of the actions taken seems to initiate even more hatred and terror.

Well as a member of the "gun crowd" all of those responses would be good.

But what's the point?

The idiot fucked up as surely as looking down the barrel himself and pulling the trigger.

I'm sorry, but I'm not here to defend stupidity.

Edited to add: It's also an accident that would have been prevented if he had just followed basic gun safety, i.e., CCW holders don't let their guns out of their presence/control. And yes, that's EXACTLY what he should have done, stuck the gun in his pocket and gone into the 7/11.

the father should be jailed--anyway who carries a gun in their car console unless they are a drug dealer

I have to agree with both you and Supermidget. The child being 3 may not have understood what they were doing, but that was the parents fault. I have a son who is 2.5 years old. About a month ago, I started teaching him handgun safety.

He does not know where I keep my guns and he never sees me get them out or put them away. The gun is always unloaded whenever he and I look at it. Before he gets to hold it, we go through the firearm safety info. Never point it at anyone. Never point it at the animals...etc, etc, etc. He then gets to hold it under careful supervision. As long as he does not do anything unsafe with it, I don't have a problem.

The last time I showed him a gun, he accidently pointed it toward me. I quickly took the gun away and told him no. You could see the disappointment in his eyes as he knew he had done something wrong. He didn't completely understand what it was that was wrong, but he new it was something. We talked about it so I knew he knew exactly what he had done for me to take it away from him. After we talked about it, he got to hold it again and he was more careful with it. I fully intend to take him shooting when he is 4.

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True, my kid does this, but he has learned only to do it with permission.

Actually, Yes. The only place I don't carry are places that strictly prohibit it. Hell, I sit at my desk at work and clean guns. Both my own and the ones that belong to other people in my office.

I hadn't given this much thought prior to this, but in the future when I get to a place where I am not allowed to carry, I believe i will leave the gun in the car and stick the magazine in my pocket. Unless of course I'm going into a government building in which case I'll think of something better to do.

In Oklahoma you can leave your concealed carry gun in your car while it is parked on a college campus. I have done this many many times. Vehicle was locked and no one else was in it. No big deal. Like I said, guess I'll have to put the bullets in my pocket.

/me raises hand

I do, and I'm no drug dealer.

Kerry? Couldn't be. Must be Clinton. Looking right down the barrel with the bolt closed. For a Rhodes scholar, he sure did have his shining moments of stupidity, didn't he? Right down the barrel! Jeezus! Well, I suppose he had some sympathy for Monica anyway.

Just an FYI,

There's no magazine in that rifle.

Not that there couldn't be one in the chamber, but in all fairness, there might be more to that picture than it indicates.

It is Al Gore. The picture was taken in Vietnam. Where was GW?

Yeah...anybody that has kids or has been around them knows they will play with anything that they can get their hands on....load gun was a bad idea.....hell that kid could of killed him self with a knife left in the car too....