Nomad

These pics were also shown on CNN.

Saddam capture

Lebell

That last one looks like he's thinking, "Well, shit."

Any sympathy I might have for this pathetic figure is lost when I think of the thousands he's tortured and killed.

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lol- dude, I remember seeing the pictures of that hideout- man, what ya sacrifice to attempt hiding- but it still failed for him!!!
"Man, I hid out in this crappy shithole for this? WTF?"

MSD

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james t kirk

file not found also...

Too bad.

He's such a rat saddam. It looks good on him to be taken alive like the coward that he is.

Rekna

anyone able to mirror them somewhere? i'd like to see them

Nomad

I found another site with the pics.

Found here
http://www.ogrish.com/index2.php

Sparhawk

That is one sick site... Thanks though.

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And suddenly the great dictator is a sad old man, dying of cancer.

If America dont want a real civil war, they seriously need to execute him before he can die of natural causes.

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silent_jay

I hope the Americans stop whinning the next time pictures of their POW's end up on the 6 o'clock news. these pictures show how the states mock the Geneva Accords when it doesn't suit them yet when thier troops get caught and end up on TV or the newspapers they should not whine saying they can't do that. not trolling or anything just my opinion


the americans don't need to execute saddam they need to have a trial where Iraqi's the people who suffered most decide his fate not an occupying force.

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debaser

No offense meant, but what the fuck are you talking about?

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Saddam Hussain is dying of cancer. if he dies of natural causes in American custody (sic?) it will look like he was murdered and create waves of violence across Iraq. They need to set up the show trial, hand him down his death sentence and kill him legally (and there are plenty of Iraqi's who will be happy to kill him or see him killed on America's behalf)

if you just keep him locked up and one day find him dead in his cell, it is just going to look really bad - Im sorry if my first post wasnt clear debaser.

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Lebell

He is?

Where did you hear that?

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Ustwo

I tried to search 'Saddam Hussain cancer' and got no where.

Then I remembered its SF so I put in 'Saddam Hussain cancer socialist'' and found a couple of small referances.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/080104saddamcancer.html

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Strange Famous

Is the BBC better?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/908930.stm

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Lebell

Oh.

Is reported.


I guess I'll withhold my own judgement as to the veracity of this until I see some more data.

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Ustwo

It may well be true, but unless its so bad he will drop dead in the next few months it won't matter.

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Lebell

Could be, but you're right.

In a few months it won't matter.

I'll bet my left nut that if the Iraqis get him, he's dead.

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Strange Famous

whatever happens he's dead.

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hlprmnky

I think that in this particular case the value of demonstrating to the people of Iraq that Saddam really is in US custody, and really won't be coming back in glory to judge the Ba'athist loyalist and the American collaborator, far outweighs the infringement of Saddam's Geneva Convention rights.

He's still getting a trial instead of being lashed over the muzzle of a 155mm cannon and bisected at the waist. IMHO, this is testament enough to the willingness of all involved to respect the principles of due process and the rule of law.

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hlprmnky....

The point of the Geneva convention isnt that it only applies when you or your side think it should.

I mean, I really dont want to state the obvious, but you can understand the point of "rules of war" can't you?

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Sparhawk

it helps if you spell it 'Hussein'.

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The Geneva convention just bothers me a little because sometimes it feels like we're the only ones who follow it.
As for Saddam, I can't believe he has cancer. This certainly puts a twist into things. I hope we can expect a quick trial.

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silent_jay

I hope when you say "us" you are not meaning the USA because these pics are in direct violation of the Geneva Accords, and were the MP's following the Accords when they were discharged for abusing POW's?

here's the story as CNN put it (sorry CNN's not that credible i'll find a better one

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...irq.discharge/

here's another link for the same story
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=28...=2813&set_id=1

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Ustwo

Those pictures looked like some marine had a camera along. I am deeply troubled that the US can so blatantly violate the Geneva Accords to such an astonishing degree!

Ok I had a hard time keeping a straight face while I said that.


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silent_jay

so marines with cameras are allowed to take pictures of POW's to show thier families and that doesn't violate Geneva. are you denying it is a violation. It shouldn't be hard to find the people in the pictures and punish them. What about the MP's beating POWs or does that make you laugh too. No matter what the US uses the Geneva Accorda as it suits them plain and simple.

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Ustwo

I spelled it correctly for google (note the spelling in the article) but thanks for pointing out my typo. I think this is something you can be most usefull at.

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Ustwo

I'm saying I don't give a shit. A couple of US kids in Iraq who take a few pictures of one of the most evil men in the last 30 years, does'nt bother me.

Plus I'm not sure if its a violation since the pictures don't seem to be pictures taken for offical purposes, I haven't seen them in a government release, and they may well have been leaked. If it weren't for the internet I don't think we would have ever seen them.

But hey if YOU think we should go punish some GI for this, be my guest. Why don't you try to get a petition going and see how far that gets you.

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silent_jay

why don't we calm down and try to stick to the topic at hand. thanks

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Lebell

hmm

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silent_jay

now let me get this straight pictures of POWs are only against the Geneva Accords if they are in government release can you show me where this is stated, i'd like to know. thanks. it would be great to get a petition going but whats the point when the US has a government that doesn't listen to what people want.

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Lebell

I believe this is the article in question (bold face, mine)

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Article 13

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.


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Now it seems to me that you could look at this two ways. First, that the soldiers are violating this rule by taking pictures of him. BUT, are they being taken with the goal of public dissemination? In otherwords, do such soldiers, who are doing the capturing, represent the public?

Personally, I would argue no.

Also, I think it very clear that pictures of POW's put on the local TV does represent exhibition and is in violation of this article.

Whereas Saddam's pictures were posted with the specific purpose of proving to the Iraqis that we got him, no question.

So a lot of grey area, but I can't see reason to make this the center piece of an argument about the way we conducted the war.

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forseti-6

Yes it is. For some reason though, I spent about 30 minutes on it though. I don't know why.

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silent_jay

i was stuck there also i feel more disturbed than before but thanks as well

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