debaser

This is what our country has come to:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...r_s_security_5

This man should be strung up. This attitude has led us to where we are today, people sueing because they didn't know that it might be dangerous to make toast wilst in the bathtub and whatnot.

I love this country, though it sometimes makes me ill...

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Phaenx

Random stops and searches? How does that infringe on civil liberties?

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"I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

debaser

The quote, and the mentality behind it, pisses me off more than the policy...

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Sparhawk

United States Constitution

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Where you stand on this all depends on how you define unreasonable and infringe. I don't really care about this, I'll be in bed asleep...

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"In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

Strange Famous

It is an endless quandry... the innocent have nothing to fear from the survalence and scrutiny of a mighty state... unless the state is in fact a racist, capitalist organisation who's express and blatant goal is the oppression of the working class.

When you have a culture of fear, the government feeds and fuels it, using that fear as an excuse to take on more and more power - which they will use to attack the working class and their politics, saying all the time it is in the name of security, and that the enemies are everywhere...

I expect everyone will have seen this by now, but it is interesting, and relates to this:

"Naturally the common people do not want war: neither in Russia, nor England, nor, for that matter, in Germany. That is understood. But, after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Wilhelm Goring at the Nuremberg Trails

This is the personal mantra of Bush and Blair, and it is why war is so good for capitalism, not only that it means anyone who opposes the capitalist can be called a traitor, but that the people are constantly made to be afraid, and anyone who opposes the capitalist is a traitor, and the people's hatrid of capitalist is turned into hatrid of an enemy - in America right now that enemy is Islam, and "Terrorism", but any enemy will do.

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"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."

The Gospel of Thomas