Interesting article "Imperialism and the capture of Saddam Hussain" - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Strange Famous · 12-29-2003, 10:40 AM

Interesting article - I think a lot of the points raised merit serious discussion. I think they understate the crimes against humanity committed by Hussain, but it is helpful to give us a fuller picture that at the same time as he was a butcher and a murderer, he did achieve many positive things in Iraq - and is it because if this that America now attacks?

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Imperialism and the capture of Saddam Hussein

The Bush administration's claim that the capture of Saddam Hussein is a great step in bringing democracy and freedom to Iraq should be denounced by all those who opposed the war, oppose the occupation and are against the entire enterprise of U.S. imperialism in Iraq.

The capture of Saddam Hussein by U.S. military forces is an act carried out solely in pursuit of strengthening the criminal colonial occupation and weakening the Iraqi resistance. What ever the immediate outcome of his capture, however, it cannot alter in any fundamental way the historic anti-colonial sentiment of the Iraqi people and their will to struggle for independence.

The only "democracy and freedom" that Washington intends for Iraq is the freedom to sell off all the state and privately owned enterprises to powerful multinational corporate exploiters; to allow 100-percent imperialist ownership; to allow the imperialists to take over the 110 billion barrels of oil reserves and repatriate the profits squeezed out of the Iraqi people; to set up bases for the Pentagon; and to install a puppet government beholden to Washington.

It is in pursuit of these objectives that Washington waged its illegal, "pre-emptive" war of aggression against Iraq. These are the motives behind the administration's fraudulent charges about weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, and so on. It is in pursuit of purely imperialist objectives that U.S. forces have rampaged across Iraq trying to crush the resistance--raiding homes, imprisoning thousands of suspects, taking hostages and rounding up leaders. It was for these reactionary objectives that Washington hunted down Saddam Hussein.

The gloating triumphalism of the Bush administration, its systematic attempts to humiliate the former head of the Iraqi state, and its preparation for an imperialist-run show trial are meant to send a message to everyone who refuses to bow down to the dictates of U.S. imperialism: "If you resist, we will get you." It is reminiscent of Rome's imperial armies, that brought back rebellious leaders in chains or put their heads on pikes, and of the U.S. Cavalry, which displayed the bodies of Native leaders who resisted them.

To the dismay of Bush, Bremer and the military, the initial response to the capture of Saddam Hussein has been car bombings, rocket attacks and protest demonstrations. Bush himself has been cautious in touting this event as some sort of decisive victory.

He and his advisers undoubtedly are mindful of recent history. Shortly after taking Baghdad, U.S. generals sat in the newly captured Republican Palace and gloated over their "amazing victory," virtually claiming that Iraq was theirs. Then came Bush's photo-op on the aircraft carrier when he pronounced the war over. And again, after the execution of Saddam Hussein's sons, Qusay and Uday, photos of their bullet-ridden bodies were put on world display.

Each of these moments of "triumph" was followed by renewed resistance from the Iraqi people.

The administrations in Washington, Republican and Democratic, have focused their wrath on Iraq for 12 years, including two wars, a genocidal sanctions regime and now a bloody occupation. During this time well over a million Iraqis have been killed and many more injured or sickened. No one should forget the admission by Clinton's Secretary of State Madeleine Albright on CBS's "60 Minutes" program on May 12, 1996.

Leslie Stahl asked Albright, referring to the sanctions: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean that's more children than died at Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"

Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."

Can anyone make the case that the illegal capture of Saddam Hussein by U.S. forces has anything to do with concern for the Iraqi people? Indeed, one U.S. administration after another has tortured them. Washington's invasion of Iraq was illegal. Its occupation is illegal. And any trial of Saddam Hussein or other Iraqi leaders that is set up by Bush, Rumsfeld, Bremer, Wolfowitz and company is illegal and calculated to further the oppression and exploitation of the Iraqi people.

The Iraqi people feel violated by this capture and parading of Saddam. This is reflected in the fact that, try as they may, the U.S. television networks have been unable to produce any shots of mass demonstrations celebrating his capture, even by his most strenuous opponents. All their video takes are tight shots of small groups. While paid print journalists and television commentators fantasize about "demonstrations" of celebration everywhere, somehow the cameras are unable to find them.

U.S. troops fire on demonstrators

In the meantime, U.S. troops are firing on and killing demonstrators protesting Saddam Hussein's capture.

If anyone has any doubt about the reactionary character of this operation, they have only to listen to the proclamations of the other imperialist governments. The former colonizers of the world, from London to Paris to Berlin to Rome to Madrid to Tokyo, are all hailing the event. Can these robbers--the promoters of corporate "globalization" and neo-liberal schemes to trample on the sovereignty of governments and plunder the national economies of oppressed peoples in Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East--be suddenly overjoyed because "democracy" and "freedom" are on their way to Iraq?

To be sure, within the framework of the Iraqi national revolution--which began with the ousting of the British colonialists in 1958--Saddam Hussein has played a contradictory and often reactionary role. Among other things, he and the Baathists suppressed the Iraqi Communist Party--which at that time was a genuinely anti-imperialist and pro-working class party--and waged a reactionary bourgeois war of conquest against Iran, even accepting support from Washington for his efforts.

On the other hand, unlike the feudal oil monarchs of the Persian Gulf states, who became complete clients of oil imperialism, Saddam Hussein used Iraq's oil wealth to build up the country's economic infrastructure on a bourgeois basis, largely through state capitalism. During his regime, Iraq became one of the most developed countries in the Middle East. Significant social benefits accrued to the people, including free medical care, widespread education and literacy, rights of women and a social safety net. Above all, however, the Iraqi president refused to let imperialism take over the country.

The most aggressive sections of the U.S. ruling class, particularly the oil companies, long ago set out to destroy Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi nat ional state exactly for these reasons: they held on to national independence and control over the oil, the fundamental conquests of the 1958 anti-colonial revolution. With the coming to office of Bush, these elements galvanized the entire U.S. ruling class who wholeheartedly support ed their program of conquest.

It is only in the context of the struggle of U.S. and British imperialism on the one hand, and on the other the Iraqi people fighting to undermine the occupation, that the capture of Saddam Hussein can be assessed. Under these conditions, anyone opposed to imperialism must reject the right of the U.S. to imprison him and of Washington's "Governing Council" stooges to put him on trial.

Whatever role Saddam Hussein played in the resistance, if any, it is an illusion of the empire builders in Washington to think that the Iraqi people will ever reconcile themselves to colonial enslavement--either direct rule through an occupation, or indirect rule through a puppet government.

Justice for the Iraqi people will begin on the day that the war criminals in Washington are put on trial.

Reprinted from the Dec. 25, 2003, issue of Workers World newspaper

Ustwo · 12-29-2003, 10:54 AM

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Justice for the Iraqi people will begin on the day that the war criminals in Washington are put on trial.

Reprinted from the Dec. 25, 2003, issue of Workers World newspaper

Laugh, keep them comming. I'm sure Stalin was just missunderstood too.

Endymon32 · 12-29-2003, 10:55 AM

And North Korea has a 100% literacy rate...

Rekna · 12-29-2003, 11:29 AM

Hitler did wonders for germany

nirol · 12-29-2003, 11:32 AM

And Mussolini made the trains run on time...

Sparhawk · 12-29-2003, 12:14 PM

As fun as flaming can be, I'll make a half-hearted effort to respond to this article.

While true that:

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Iraq became one of the most developed countries in the Middle East. Significant social benefits accrued to the people, including free medical care, widespread education and literacy, rights of women and a social safety net.

This began prior to Saddam's takeover, and was true through much of the 70s. However, the 8-year war with Iran destroyed the economy, not to mention the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Then the slaughter of the Kurds in '88, and the invasion of Kuwait in '90...

There's an incredible potential in Iraq, I'll give them that. They're still a hard-working, educated people, in spite of having to live through one of the worst moments in their history.

Dragonlich · 12-29-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by nirol
And Mussolini made the trains run on time...

Actually... that's a myth.

Strange Famous · 12-29-2003, 01:15 PM

I dont think this article is any more radical than someone believing America is going into Iraq to help the Iraqi people...

The language and the rhetoric may seem out of date, but the fact that the American's are being rejected is true, as if the fact that bad as he was, Hussain was not quite evil personified...

And it is a fact that many people did admire him for resisting the West and are hurt and humiliated by the way he is being treated now.

Dragonlich · 12-30-2003, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by Strange Famous
And it is a fact that many people did admire him for resisting the West and are hurt and humiliated by the way he is being treated now.

Perhaps they should have chosen a better role-model, then?

Strange Famous · 12-30-2003, 10:44 AM

There are better role models, and as I have said before, it is testemant to the level of the crime committed by Blair and Bush they have managed to put a man as bad, and as corrupt and ruthless and bloody as Saddam Hussain in the moral high ground.

Ustwo · 12-30-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Strange Famous
There are better role models, and as I have said before, it is testemant to the level of the crime committed by Blair and Bush they have managed to put a man as bad, and as corrupt and ruthless and bloody as Saddam Hussain in the moral high ground.

Strange - You have a very strange set of morals then.

Lebell · 12-30-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Rekna
Hitler did wonders for germany

Beat me too it.

Yeah, Hitler did great things for Germany, so long as you weren't Catholic, Gay, a Gypsy or Jewish.

Seaver · 12-30-2003, 11:27 PM

Anyone notice this article is a Socialist paper?

Gee... I wonder why they are against the capitalist pigs...

Dragonlich · 12-31-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Strange Famous
There are better role models, and as I have said before, it is testemant to the level of the crime committed by Blair and Bush they have managed to put a man as bad, and as corrupt and ruthless and bloody as Saddam Hussain in the moral high ground.

No, it's actually testament to the stupidity and ignorance of these saddam-worshippers that they'd rather see a murderous tyrant in power than a democratic government, simply because it's *their* tyrant. They have an unfounded hatred of the US, based on propaganda, smear campaigns and selective reporting.

madp · 12-31-2003, 05:38 PM

Well said, Dragonlich.

Strange Famous · 01-01-2004, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Dragonlich
No, it's actually testament to the stupidity and ignorance of these saddam-worshippers that they'd rather see a murderous tyrant in power than a democratic government, simply because it's *their* tyrant. They have an unfounded hatred of the US, based on propaganda, smear campaigns and selective reporting.

Why do you think their hatrid of America is unfounded?

Maybe America dropping bombs on them feeds that hate somewhat?

Dragonlich · 01-01-2004, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Strange Famous
Why do you think their hatrid of America is unfounded?

Maybe America dropping bombs on them feeds that hate somewhat?

When was the last time the US dropped bombs on, say, Indonesia? Or Pakistan? Or Iran, Syria, or any of the many other Muslim states where the US is widely hated?

Seriously, I can understand a certain level of resentment, because I see that the US isn't perfect, and their actions may not be to the liking of many Muslims; however, I cannot understand the blind hatred of anything and everything American *just because* it's American. That's just irrational.

Strange Famous · 01-01-2004, 09:11 AM

Well, a lot of it is to do with America giving constant military aid to Israel

Dragonlich · 01-01-2004, 09:56 AM

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Well, a lot of it is to do with America giving constant military aid to Israel

As opposed to the Muslims' constant military and financial aid to the Palestinians, including their terror groups? Or is that somehow different because it's unofficial?

And what in the hell does US support for Israel have to do with Iraq, and Muslim support for Saddam? To link them is a *huge* stretch, and, to me, is a sign that saddam-supporters are indeed stupid and ignorant.

Strange Famous · 01-01-2004, 10:28 AM

Because Israel is hated by all the Arab states.

Endymon32 · 01-01-2004, 10:41 AM

And that has to do with Saddam because....

madp · 01-01-2004, 10:42 AM

True, US support of Israel does contribute to an underlying resentment in the Muslim world. That doesn't make it wrong.

rogue49 · 01-01-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Strange Famous
Because Israel is hated by all the Arab states.

I'd say that's an irrational hatred based on bigotry.
Both religious & racial.

Then again, many of them are known for blood-feud for even their own citizen
for the same selfish reasons.

12-29-2003, 11:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
nirol Crazy Location: South East US	And Mussolini made the trains run on time... __________________ 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)

12-29-2003, 01:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I dont think this article is any more radical than someone believing America is going into Iraq to help the Iraqi people... The language and the rhetoric may seem out of date, but the fact that the American's are being rejected is true, as if the fact that bad as he was, Hussain was not quite evil personified... And it is a fact that many people did admire him for resisting the West and are hurt and humiliated by the way he is being treated now. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

12-30-2003, 10:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	There are better role models, and as I have said before, it is testemant to the level of the crime committed by Blair and Bush they have managed to put a man as bad, and as corrupt and ruthless and bloody as Saddam Hussain in the moral high ground. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

12-31-2003, 05:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
madp Insane Location: New Orleans/Chicago	Well said, Dragonlich. __________________ why are you wearing that stupid man suit?

01-01-2004, 09:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Well, a lot of it is to do with America giving constant military aid to Israel __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

12-29-2003, 10:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Endymon32 Banned	And North Korea has a 100% literacy rate...

12-29-2003, 11:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Hitler did wonders for germany

12-30-2003, 11:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Anyone notice this article is a Socialist paper? Gee... I wonder why they are against the capitalist pigs...

01-01-2004, 10:28 AM	#20 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Because Israel is hated by all the Arab states. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

01-01-2004, 10:41 AM	#21 (permalink)
Endymon32 Banned	And that has to do with Saddam because....

01-01-2004, 10:42 AM	#22 (permalink)
madp Insane Location: New Orleans/Chicago	True, US support of Israel does contribute to an underlying resentment in the Muslim world. That doesn't make it wrong. __________________ why are you wearing that stupid man suit?