Endymon

There will be no porno theatre's in a communist society

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Your optimism is refreshing. But as many have pointed out, your predictions are naive and fly in the face of everything we know about human nature. In all previous attempts at "communism," these people have been killed or jailed. People don't WANT to be "educated and socialized" (all buzzwords for indoctrination, brainwashing, and koolaid drinking).

Many people will find your Utopian vision to be more of a nightmare, and will be willing to fight tooth and nail to prevent leaders of you ilk from ever obtaining power. How will you overcome us?. . *ahem*. . .I mean "them"?

I think there is one thing you do not understand, people WANT to work, people want to be creative and productive. In Capitalism, people are alienated from their labour, mentally, physically, financially... people appear "lazy" in capitalism because they reject capitalist exploitation.

In a communist work, nearly all people, 99.9%, will be HAPPY to work, because their work is truly creative, and alienation ceases when all contribute to the social fund that all have equal access to.

But this is somewhat off topic.

1, As stated already in other threads and here, but I will repeat, there has never been an actually existing communist state.

2, There will be counter revolutionaries and reactionary forces that will resist the revoluton. These people will be overcome, by the working class of every state, by whatever means necessary.

If possible, we all want the revolution to be peaceful, and total, for the reactionary forces to be swept aside by the force of revolution itself... but if these forces use violence against the working class, and if they use violence and terror to try and deny the democratic will of the huge majority of people and the best interests of all people... then they must be swept aside still.

The communist says to the reactionary forces, "we do not want violence, we do not want to fight... communism is the opposite of war, communism is peace... but we will defend our revolution, and if you insist on violent conflict, know that you will be beatenm you will be swept aside, your forces will be destroyed, because the revolution is inevitable, and the forces of revolution will surge on and on and on and never cease until its goals are realised"

Pie in the sky.

If what you say is true, we're going to have a world filled with bad garage bands and even worse poets, yet noone who wants to pick up the garbage, work in school cafeterias, or mine for needed coal, metals, and minerals.

Do we all have to draw straws to decide who works in the sulfur mines vs. who gets to write poetry and music?

And what's this nonsense about "no porn"???
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Wow. I've been here two days, and I already have a true enemy who would kill me for resisting his communist revolution. This has got to be some kind of record.

See you on the battlefield!

Wow Strange Famous is completly brainwashed.

If people want to work explain all my friends who don't want to work. I have friends that are highly educated and very intelligent, border line guienesses. The only problem is they lack motivation to do work, instead they would rather just sit around all day, watch movies and play games. People will always rather do leasure activities than work activities as long as there is no opportunity cost of the leasure activities (ie work sallary). This is part of human nature and will never change. For the most part people are more interested in instant gratificatin than delayed gratification.

You are increadably nieve to think that people will always want to work and contribute to society if they don't have to, unless you plan to do some sort of brainwashing or to have them live in complete fear of the government.

The revolution is won in the hearts and minds of the people, only the most illogical and cruel would fight against it. Now, in a capitalist society, where your whole life you have been the victim of the indoctrination of the capitalist state, education system, media/propoganda system, the capitalist church... you cannot see your own best interests and your own will. The cruelest alienation of all is that capitalism has alienated you from yourself, you believe you do not want communism but of course you do... as the revolution nears, as it becomes reality, people will see the truth at last, and they will turn on the capitalist superstructure that is their enemy with great anger.

These people do not want to do capiatlist work, that is all.

See I called his answer before he responced. Dont you love how he just says a line from a pamphelt without even one shred of evidence to back it up? And I love how he can say that Christianity was bad, but Communism is good. His logic that there were no communists is laughable.

Again, waist of typing here, do you have ANY proof of this?

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I love how you can claim to know what WILL happen when you cant even see what DID happen. Good luck with your mastubatory communist day dreams. Too bad the rest of the world passed you by.

It WILL happen

Aside from charitable volunteering, capitalist work is the <b>only</b> kind of work I'll do.

And then you will have to get off your 300bls ass and acutally do something. LOL

For the upteenth time, you have any proof?



Does anyone beside me realise that everything Strange Famous has said was been with out support and all his points have been wrong?

And then we are supposed to belive that a communist revolution will happen? He slays me....

OK Strange Famous. What you are speaking of sounds more like a religious dogma than a reality-based political philosophy.

Your argument is circular, and your claims can't be held up to any rigorous, scientific study.

Is there ANY event or fact you can conceive of which would lead you to acknowledge that your vision of communist utopia is wrong? Anything at all?

Strange Famus until you come up with some pragmatic evidance of your claims people are going to laugh at you. I challenge you to find pragmatic evidence to support your claims that people will want to magically work, that capitalism is the source of lethargicness, and that the world is on the brink of a communist revolution.

You sound a bit like a cult leader the way you talk.

read Das Kapital

Given that youve lost a lot of weight yourself, Im surprised you want to make fun of other people because they are overweight.

Waiting for your explaination please explain in your own worlds why this will all happen, as I could direct you too a hundred books that say the opposite.

Please think for yourself for once.



And I lost weight because I did something about it. I dont blame anyone for excess weight, nor do I blame anyone for my weight loss, except myself.

I have spoken a great deal about why it will happen, refer to the "war between socialists and liberty" thread.

Keep off the personal BS or be moderated.

And you were shedded apart in that thread.

I am reposting this cause it was ignored by Strange Famous. I would like a reply to this, one that is not just a link to a book, or a cut and paste from a socialist website. Nor would I like a one sentence " COmmunism will clear all pimples and smell pine fresh" answer. I would like you to explain, in your own words, siting examples to back up your points. Not a robotic, cult like answer from some pamphlet.

Communism is such a dream for some people because it will allow them to do nothing and live off the work of others. It is capitalism in sheeps clothing, except that instead of capital outlay or hard work, the owners of the means of production are the ones who yell loudest on the street corner. Honestly, what have you ever seen any communist aggitator contribute to society?






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How can he cite examples if it's never existed?

I for one am not a believer in communism but I don't doubt that it's only a matter of time before the world is forced to fundamentaly change. How long can we maintain a world system so dependant on exploitation? Who knows. What I do know is we created this system and we can change it. While I'd predict a form of capitalism will be the driving force for some time, at the rate we're going the capitalism we practice now is going to be the end of us.


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I, for one, welcome our new communist overlord. He shall bring peace to mankind.



Strange Famous, I suppose you don't want anyone to live over thirty either.

You watch too many science fiction movies. A utopia that you're suggesting is certain is a pipe dream. There are too many lazy jackasses that have opinions to let that happen.

Plus there are too many rich people unwilling to give up their moneys.

*Logs on to TFP*
*Checks Tilted Politics*
*Clicks on page 4 of "is there any real proof that Usama Bin Laden organised the WTC attacks?"*
*Walks straight into a discussion about communist revolution around the world*
*^WTF Mate?*

Guys, we're going nowhere fast on the original issue here. Although I think that Strange Famous will continue to deny the actionable intelligence we give him that has been corroborated by multiple sources, I still want to discuss OBL and terrorism. Not the theories of Marx and Lenin, that's for another thread.

First off, it has. Second are you saying that Strange Famous is using a faith based system to define his world view, much like the dreaded Christians?:rolleyes:

LOL! You have a very valid beef.

As for the original thread, I found his videotaped trash-talking session with his flunkies re: 9-11 to be pretty damning evidence. It's not even the least bit controversial anymore from what I've seen and read.

Anyone have a reliable source that merits the re-examination of Bin Laden's culpability?

You are right and I agree.

Let's get back to the original topic, and make a new thread to discus communism. I will answer endymon's questions in that thread.

Also, to the moderator who commented here, I'm not trying to make personal comments about anyone, I apologise if it was construed as that, I just felt that (1) when someone is making comments about me being fat in a thread in which they are attacking communism this suggests they have run out of real arguments (2) although it doesnt really upset me, I was just surprised that the person who made the "maybe even you could get off your 300 lbs ass" comment would have said it, given the things that person has posted in other threads about their weight, thats all.

But to get back to Bin Laden... I understand that the tape in which he was talking about the mechanics of it was adjudged to be probably fake?

I am not unwilling to believe Bin laden was responsible, I just havent seen the evidence. I am well aware Bin Laden was pleased that the attack happened, and encouraged more like it to happen, but did he actually plan it, fund it, co-ordinate it? Or does he just incite warfare against the West?

I still believe that the attack did not require a great deal of technical skill. I understand that modern jet planes are very easy to fly indeed, I still think 4 groups of 5 people each with knives and a couple of flying lessons could have pulled it off - provided they have the will to die to enact their unjustified hatrid of a foriegn power.

With all due respect, SF, I don't think we're going to agree on this or any other politically related issue. The sources you find credible, I find laughable. The sources I find credible, you have ignored up to this point.

I guess we'll have to ATD (agree to disagree).

I can't say for sure tha bin Laden himself planned the attack. I would say that he was most likely in volved in the planning, at least of the targets and method of attack. The actual procedure was most likely outlined then developed and refined in the field by the operatives themselves.

I don't think there's much of a question that he funded the attacks, every soure of income that has been tracked is directly down the line from him. We know that he is rich, we know that he wants to kill Americans. We have him on a video tape saying something along the lines of "We didn't expect it to go so well." I see that you agree that he hates us and supports attacks against us, what I'm not sure of is your reason for questioning whether it was him specifically who planed it. Would I be correct to assume that your uncertainty about his involvement is linked to your belief that the war against terrorism is unjust and the basis is flawed?

I believe a war against terrorism is endless and self defeating... vengence is never satisfied, if US soliders kill Iraqi civilians to topple a regime they believe supports terrorists, they create more terrorists.

I am not defending UBL, I think he a religious bigot, a hate monger, and most likely a criminal.

But at the same time I think people want to believe in some kind of arch villian, because that is safer that what I believe is the truth - that an attack as terrible as the one on the WTC did not need huge funding, or a criminal mastermind behind it all, it was simple to carry out... and that is what people seem too frightened to think: that now we have so many ways to hurt each other, that it is so easy, there is simply no defence, and as long as a human race we chose to fight, there will never be any defence, the bomber always gets through, the innocent always die for someone else's war.

You are correct Strange Famous, we should not go after terrorists, we should just let them act out...

I believe we should address the causes of terrorism. We should indeed try to prevent and stamp out terrorism. I just do not believe the best way to do it is to declare war on Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes lets try and understand this poor misunderstood victims. Puh-Leaze. Iraq is questionable, but your a moron if you think going into Afganistan wasn't a good idea.