Was Saddam caught early, and left for our troops? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 08:06 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...tain&printer=1

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LONDON, (AFP) - Saddam Hussein was captured by US troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces, drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him, a British Sunday newspaper said.

Saddam came into the hands of the Kurdish Patriotic Front after being betrayed to the group by a member of the al-Jabour tribe, whose daughter had been raped by Saddam's son Uday, leading to a blood feud, reported the Sunday Express, which quoted an unnamed senior British military intelligence officer.

The newspaper said the full story of events leading up to the ousted Iraqi president's capture on December 13 near his hometown of Tikrit in northern Iraq, "exposes the version peddled by American spin doctors as incomplete".

A former Iraqi intelligence officer, whom the Express did not name, told the paper that Saddam was held prisoner by a leader of the Kurdish Patriotic Front, which fought alongside US forces during the Iraq war, until he negotiated a deal.

The deal apparently involved the group gaining political advantage in the region.

An unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East told the Express: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."

I'll wait for several more confirming sources, and hopefully Saddams own statement before I believe it, but it's intriguing.
Why would Bremer and Bush lie about something like this that would come out as soon as Saddam was allowed to make a statement?
Possibly to demoralize the Iraqi's I suppose. Still, this whole expedition has been marked with enough lies.

And it brings into question whether or not Bush has been timing events like this for political gain.

rogue49 · 12-22-2003, 08:17 AM

Who knows? who cares?
He's caught, he's finished.
Let's move on
Let's rebuild

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 08:25 AM

I care. I want to find out if we were lied to again.

Ustwo · 12-22-2003, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
I care. I want to find out if we were lied to again.

Based on what I recall from the capture, even if it were 100% true it wasn't a lie.

They said it was due to 'human intelligence' which means SOMEONE told him where he was. If it was the Kurds good for them. On the other hand I'm sure there might be some people in the Kurdish govt who would like to take credit for getting Saddam, so who do you believe?

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 08:43 AM

Right now, the official account. But I will be paying attention to this to see if there is more to learn.

apechild · 12-22-2003, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
this whole expedition has been marked with enough lies.

What lies?

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I want to find out if we were lied to again.

Again, what lies?

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And it brings into question whether or not Bush has been timing events like this for political gain.

Reckless speculation, innuendo, and conspiracy theories...

We captured Saddam. Got that? We captured him and he is in our custody. Why can't you even acknowledge something as basic as that without alleging lies, conspiracies, and ulterior motives for which you have no evidence?

Have you no shame?

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 09:43 AM

Lies: such as the Bush administration telling members of Congress that Saddam was able to attack our shores with WMD "today" with drone aircraft. That was a lie.

Speculation, innuendo, theories: Of course it is, and I identified it as such with "brings into question whether or not" That clearly states I am not sure and at this point, with no extra information, is only a theory.

Ustwo · 12-22-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Lies: such as the Bush administration telling members of Congress that Saddam was able to attack our shores with WMD "today" with drone aircraft. That was a lie.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You basicly said the administration lied about how we captured Saddam. Now back it up.

apechild · 12-22-2003, 09:52 AM

Your reply brings into question whether or not the real "Superbelt" has been abducted by aliens and implanted with a mind control device that causes his imagination to conjure up wild conspiracy theories and think they're plausible and worth repeating in this forum.

Oh, and Bush briefing Congress on intelligence gathered by the CIA is not a lie.

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 09:59 AM

I said:

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Originally posted by Superbelt
this whole expedition has been marked with enough lies.

He said, in response:

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Originally posted by apechild
What lies?

I retort:

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Lies: such as the Bush administration telling members of Congress that Saddam was able to attack our shores with WMD "today" with drone aircraft. That was a lie.

So, it does fit into the discussion, which I started, about this entire excursion being filled with lies.

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I have not stated, yet, that Saddams capture was a lie. But this is some information that CASTS DOUBT on the official account. That's the point. The only thing that would back it up thus far is a single account, which I have admitted in the first post is far from conclusive. You guys are trying to stuff a great deal of words into my mouth. I have had to state THREE TIMES already, I don't believe this is true at this point in time, because neither of you seem to want to listen.

apechild, please grow up.

Ustwo · 12-22-2003, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt

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I have not stated, yet, that Saddams capture was a lie. But this is some information that CASTS DOUBT on the official account. That's the point. The only thing that would back it up thus far is a single account, which I have admitted in the first post is far from conclusive. You guys are trying to stuff a great deal of words into my mouth. I have had to state THREE TIMES already, I don't believe this is true at this point in time, because neither of you seem to want to listen.

apechild, please grow up.

Ummm here is my point. I listened to all the offical press conferances etc after the capture. Nothing they said would rule out the Kurdish story. They said they had human intelligence which gave his location. They moved in and got him in. Obviously there was more to the story. They didn't state who it was who gave them the tip etc. Now maybe later they changed their story on how they got him and I missed that, but everything I heard was very scant on details.

Conclamo Ludus · 12-22-2003, 10:18 AM

Why would they give him a gun? Maybe that was a lie too. Why would they give him $750,000? Maybe that was a lie too. Who knows. I'll believe the official thing as opposed to an unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East. This sounds like propaganda to discredit the US in Iraq and spurn hatred towards the kurds by the insurgents. It also sounds like people trying to rationalize and hang onto their delusions that Saddam was not a coward hiding in a hole.

OFKU0 · 12-22-2003, 10:23 AM

Don't start talking about conspiracy theories or wrong doing or nothing. Believe everything the U.S Admin says as well as the media. Eat it up as fast as you can. Believe everything unconditionally because the President and the media aren't gonna lie to you. Hurry,hurry, hurry eat it up. If you don't,you may find yourself on a list of conspirators and you will then be forced to lie in order to tell the truth. Truth? What truth? Does anyone know the truth?

Seriously though as much as discussions like this promote different ideas of debate, for those who think they know what goes on and that everything is a conspiracy, I have to say look into reality. Unless your getting briefed in the Oval office at 7:00 every morning,you don't know squat.

apechild · 12-22-2003, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
apechild, please grow up.

Superbelt, I have been quite patient with you.

You've made reckless allegations that the President has lied repeatedly, but you have not presented one shred of evidence to support those assertions.

You've used careless innuendo to suggest conspiracy theories that have even less basis in reality.

I've given you several opportunities to back up your statements with fact, logic, and reason. You have failed to do so and continue to cling to your fantasies.

And then you ask me to "grow up."

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 10:42 AM

Yes I tell you to grow up because, try as I might I was unable to respond to your previous post with anything other than a flame. What you wrote was a troll. So I told you instead to grow up.

I have offered ideas, not cast a judgment. What you are trying to do is shut me up by throwing words in my mouth and marginalizing me.

I have presented not one shred of evidence to support my assertions? WTF? I have presented EXACTLY ONE shred of evidence to support my assertions!

Also, I am using careful innuendo, actually. I made sure to qualify what I said by not trusting this single bit of information (Why do I feel the need to continually justify this to you on every post..?)

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 10:45 AM

Want more information about admin lies leading up to this war?

Here is me, "backing my shit up"

http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN1216NELSON.htm

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U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson said Monday the Bush administration last year told him and other senators that Iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to East Coast cities.
Nelson, D-Tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last October's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Nelson voted in favor of using military force.

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Nelson said the senators were told Iraq had both biological and chemical weapons, notably anthrax, and it could deliver them to cities along the Eastern seaboard via unmanned aerial vehicles, commonly known as drones.
"They have not found anything that resembles an UAV that has that capability," Nelson said [...]

"That's news," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a Washington, D.C.-area military and intelligence think tank. "I had not heard that that was the assessment of the intelligence community. I had not heard that the Congress had been briefed on this."

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Pike said any UAVs Iraq might have had would have had a range of only several hundred kilometers, enough to hit targets in the Middle East but not the United States. To hit targets on the East Coast, such drones would have to be launched from a ship in Atlantic. He said it wasn't out of the question for Iraq to have secretly acquired a tramp steamer from which such vehicles could have been launched.
"The notion that someone could launch a missile from a ship off our shores has been on Rummy's mind for years," Pike said, referring to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

This briefing came from the PENTAGON, not the CIA, State Department or any other real intelligence communities.

apechild · 12-22-2003, 11:02 AM

None of that is evidence. It's hearsay. And not very convincing hearsay at that.

Ustwo · 12-22-2003, 11:04 AM

I still don't see how the Kurdish story would show the administration lying even if true.

Oh well, I think it wishfull thinking.

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by apechild
None of that is evidence. It's hearsay. And not very convincing hearsay at that.

Because he's a democrat?

Superbelt · 12-22-2003, 11:14 AM

The Kurdish story, if true, shows the admin as lying because it would show that Kurdish forces held Saddam for a time until they could negotiate a trade of Saddam to our forces.

Our story is we were given information about where Saddam was hiding, we stormed the hole in the ground and Saddam and several guards were taken without a fight.
That is significantly different accounts.

apechild · 12-22-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Because he's a democrat?

Because of its nature.

Hearsay - n. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
American Heritage definition

Evidence would be a tape recording of the briefing or at the very least a corroborated account.

If there were evidence of lies, Bill Nelson would not be the only Senator hinting at them and impeachment proceedings would be underway.

I'm tired of people calling the President a liar when no one has yet been able to show me where he lied.

Ustwo · 12-22-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
The Kurdish story, if true, shows the admin as lying because it would show that Kurdish forces held Saddam for a time until they could negotiate a trade of Saddam to our forces.

Our story is we were given information about where Saddam was hiding, we stormed the hole in the ground and Saddam and several guards were taken without a fight.
That is significantly different accounts.

The story was 2 armed men were taken, and Saddam. Thats it.

Its quite possible those 2 armed men were making sure Saddam didn't get out of the hole. Nothing much was said about them.

reconmike · 12-22-2003, 11:54 AM

If the Kurds had in fact caught him, do you really believe they would not have beat him to death, concidering the hell he had put them through for the last 25 years.

And now you are trusting the same British intelligence agency that was so bashed over the enriched U. from the Congo intel....

Next we will find out that Glenda the good witch has OBL and is looking to make a deal.

Endymon32 · 12-22-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
Want more information about admin lies leading up to this war?

Here is me, "backing my shit up"

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When was any of these things ever proven to be wrong? Can you please show me the exact dates that these were proven to be lies?

Liquor Dealer · 12-22-2003, 04:35 PM

With the price he has on his head and as well publicized as the reward was, anyone who honestly believes that anyone had anything whatsoever to do with his capture, and then gave him to someone else is in line to buy 47,000 acres of ocean front property that I don't own in Oklahoma. This is totally inane - more inane than this type of post normally becomes after it is helped a bit! I don't think that some of you all think at all!!!

OFKU0 · 12-22-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
With the price he has on his head and as well publicized as the reward was, anyone who honestly believes that anyone had anything whatsoever to do with his capture, and then gave him to someone else is in line to buy 47,000 acres of ocean front property that I don't own in Oklahoma. This is totally inane - more inane than this type of post normally becomes after it is helped a bit! I don't think that some of you all think at all!!!

Can you prove otherwise? How do you know what decisions are being made at the Executive level?Do you work for an intelligence agency/agencies? Does George Bush or Condelezza Rice greet you every morning for briefings?

As far as people not thinking!! Hmmm,...yeah ,I agree

Liquor Dealer · 12-22-2003, 04:54 PM

I can think of 25 million reasons why this is total bullshit - everyone of the are $ and I don't need anyone to brief me on what that will buy.

OFKU0 · 12-22-2003, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
I can think of 25 million reasons why this is total bullshit - everyone of the are $ and I don't need anyone to brief me on what that will buy.

Good enough, you're the Liquor Dealer.

And by the way, you have a great Christmas. Are you from Texas? All the best to you. I like your posts. Bet it isn't snowing like it is here. Sorry changed the topic.

Back to Saddam.

Liquor Dealer · 12-22-2003, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by OFKU0
Good enough, you're the Liquor Dealer.

And by the way, you have a great Christmas. Are you from Texas? All the best to you. I like your posts. Bet it isn't snowing like it is here. Sorry changed the topic.

Back to Saddam.

Merry Christmas to you too! I'm about 40 miles north of Texas and it was snowing here earlier today! It's quit now.

Tophat665 · 12-22-2003, 05:47 PM

OK,
Superbelt has found an article that may or may not be credible, marked it as such, and noted that he is waiting to hear more on it before he buys into it. Where's the conspiracy theory there? If one swallows this hook, line, and sinker, then one is no better than those who, like certain simian infants, seem to have swallowed the neocon line and will defend it to the rapidly approaching death of their credibility.

Now, LD has a good point: $25M is a chunk of change. But will it buy all of Kurdistan? Will it buy the oil wells of Kirkuk? If Kurds caught Hussien, and brought him in to a Kurdish leader, there is no way he would have been harmed. He's golden. Laying aside the money, if it could be arranged for American troops to find and "capture" him without bloodshed, perhaps the Americans would be willing to look favorably on Kurdish claims to some of the Northern "Sunni Triangle". The Kurds are probably deluded if they believe this, but it wouldn't be the first time nationalism has been manipulated.

It could have happened like that. Most likely not, but there's a possibility. Let's see who else picks up the story before we get hackles raised.

Ustwo: I agree that this is wishful thinking unless there's significant corroberation. Even with a fundamentally dishonest administration like the one we have now, it takes more than one news item to condemn them of anything specific. However, when one is asked, essentially, "Why would you think they are dishonest," it is an open invitiation to pull in any or every instance of their patently mendacious behavior. In reply to that question none of their significant spins or dishonesties is really off topic. Don't want to hear about them? Don't ask open ended questions. (Not that you did, but you used a reply to someone else's open question to criticize the relevance of the reply.)

silent_jay · 12-22-2003, 07:50 PM

there are always going to be questions about saddams capture the first was did they get saddam or a look a like,(we now know it is him) now this. there are always going to be conspiracy theories about this just the same as when Osama is caught. it would be nice to see saddams comments on this but that will never happen.

OFKU0 · 12-22-2003, 08:27 PM

We could ask Bruce Willis. Apparently he put up a cool million to the finder of Saddam. Go figure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...iz/3141942.stm

silent_jay · 12-22-2003, 08:31 PM

poor bruce, looses Demi to that punk Kutcher, makes Tears of the Sun and now this. what a bad movie

Conclamo Ludus · 12-22-2003, 09:04 PM

Can anyone here prove that it is not a robot version of Saddam that was put together by the CIA under the direct command of George W Bush? I can't prove that its not. It may be true given the past of this administration.

silent_jay · 12-22-2003, 09:17 PM

that's one of those things that makes you go hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Conclamo Ludus · 12-23-2003, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by silent_jay
that's one of those things that makes you go hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If you squint your eyes he does look a little like one of those Disney animatronic puppets.

silent_jay · 12-23-2003, 08:53 AM

yes he does. its another conspiracy theory

floydthebarber · 12-23-2003, 12:24 PM

I'd be interested in hearing what Saddam has to say on this. Not that any of the neo-cons would believe it.

silent_jay · 12-24-2003, 02:16 PM

the americans will never let saddam speak he could incriminate too many people and tell secrets about american involvement in the iran-iraq war.

12-22-2003, 09:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
apechild Crazy Location: Vermont	Your reply brings into question whether or not the real "Superbelt" has been abducted by aliens and implanted with a mind control device that causes his imagination to conjure up wild conspiracy theories and think they're plausible and worth repeating in this forum. Oh, and Bush briefing Congress on intelligence gathered by the CIA is not a lie. __________________ Skwerl. Its wuts fer dinner.

12-22-2003, 10:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	Why would they give him a gun? Maybe that was a lie too. Why would they give him $750,000? Maybe that was a lie too. Who knows. I'll believe the official thing as opposed to an unnamed Western intelligence source in the Middle East. This sounds like propaganda to discredit the US in Iraq and spurn hatred towards the kurds by the insurgents. It also sounds like people trying to rationalize and hang onto their delusions that Saddam was not a coward hiding in a hole. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

12-22-2003, 10:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
OFKU0 Junk	Don't start talking about conspiracy theories or wrong doing or nothing. Believe everything the U.S Admin says as well as the media. Eat it up as fast as you can. Believe everything unconditionally because the President and the media aren't gonna lie to you. Hurry,hurry, hurry eat it up. If you don't,you may find yourself on a list of conspirators and you will then be forced to lie in order to tell the truth. Truth? What truth? Does anyone know the truth? Seriously though as much as discussions like this promote different ideas of debate, for those who think they know what goes on and that everything is a conspiracy, I have to say look into reality. Unless your getting briefed in the Oval office at 7:00 every morning,you don't know squat. __________________ " In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard.

12-22-2003, 11:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
apechild Crazy Location: Vermont	None of that is evidence. It's hearsay. And not very convincing hearsay at that. __________________ Skwerl. Its wuts fer dinner.

12-22-2003, 11:04 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I still don't see how the Kurdish story would show the administration lying even if true. Oh well, I think it wishfull thinking. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

12-22-2003, 08:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Who knows? who cares? He's caught, he's finished. Let's move on Let's rebuild

12-22-2003, 08:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	I care. I want to find out if we were lied to again.

12-22-2003, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Right now, the official account. But I will be paying attention to this to see if there is more to learn.

12-22-2003, 09:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Lies: such as the Bush administration telling members of Congress that Saddam was able to attack our shores with WMD "today" with drone aircraft. That was a lie. Speculation, innuendo, theories: Of course it is, and I identified it as such with "brings into question whether or not" That clearly states I am not sure and at this point, with no extra information, is only a theory.

12-22-2003, 10:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Yes I tell you to grow up because, try as I might I was unable to respond to your previous post with anything other than a flame. What you wrote was a troll. So I told you instead to grow up. I have offered ideas, not cast a judgment. What you are trying to do is shut me up by throwing words in my mouth and marginalizing me. I have presented not one shred of evidence to support my assertions? WTF? I have presented EXACTLY ONE shred of evidence to support my assertions! Also, I am using careful innuendo, actually. I made sure to qualify what I said by not trusting this single bit of information (Why do I feel the need to continually justify this to you on every post..?)

12-22-2003, 11:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	The Kurdish story, if true, shows the admin as lying because it would show that Kurdish forces held Saddam for a time until they could negotiate a trade of Saddam to our forces. Our story is we were given information about where Saddam was hiding, we stormed the hole in the ground and Saddam and several guards were taken without a fight. That is significantly different accounts.

12-22-2003, 11:54 AM	#23 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	If the Kurds had in fact caught him, do you really believe they would not have beat him to death, concidering the hell he had put them through for the last 25 years. And now you are trusting the same British intelligence agency that was so bashed over the enriched U. from the Congo intel.... Next we will find out that Glenda the good witch has OBL and is looking to make a deal. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

12-22-2003, 04:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	With the price he has on his head and as well publicized as the reward was, anyone who honestly believes that anyone had anything whatsoever to do with his capture, and then gave him to someone else is in line to buy 47,000 acres of ocean front property that I don't own in Oklahoma. This is totally inane - more inane than this type of post normally becomes after it is helped a bit! I don't think that some of you all think at all!!! __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

12-22-2003, 04:54 PM	#27 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	I can think of 25 million reasons why this is total bullshit - everyone of the are $ and I don't need anyone to brief me on what that will buy. __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

12-22-2003, 05:47 PM	#30 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	OK, Superbelt has found an article that may or may not be credible, marked it as such, and noted that he is waiting to hear more on it before he buys into it. Where's the conspiracy theory there? If one swallows this hook, line, and sinker, then one is no better than those who, like certain simian infants, seem to have swallowed the neocon line and will defend it to the rapidly approaching death of their credibility. Now, LD has a good point: $25M is a chunk of change. But will it buy all of Kurdistan? Will it buy the oil wells of Kirkuk? If Kurds caught Hussien, and brought him in to a Kurdish leader, there is no way he would have been harmed. He's golden. Laying aside the money, if it could be arranged for American troops to find and "capture" him without bloodshed, perhaps the Americans would be willing to look favorably on Kurdish claims to some of the Northern "Sunni Triangle". The Kurds are probably deluded if they believe this, but it wouldn't be the first time nationalism has been manipulated. It could have happened like that. Most likely not, but there's a possibility. Let's see who else picks up the story before we get hackles raised. Ustwo: I agree that this is wishful thinking unless there's significant corroberation. Even with a fundamentally dishonest administration like the one we have now, it takes more than one news item to condemn them of anything specific. However, when one is asked, essentially, "Why would you think they are dishonest," it is an open invitiation to pull in any or every instance of their patently mendacious behavior. In reply to that question none of their significant spins or dishonesties is really off topic. Don't want to hear about them? Don't ask open ended questions. (Not that you did, but you used a reply to someone else's open question to criticize the relevance of the reply.) __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

12-22-2003, 07:50 PM	#31 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	there are always going to be questions about saddams capture the first was did they get saddam or a look a like,(we now know it is him) now this. there are always going to be conspiracy theories about this just the same as when Osama is caught. it would be nice to see saddams comments on this but that will never happen. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

12-22-2003, 08:27 PM	#32 (permalink)
OFKU0 Junk	We could ask Bruce Willis. Apparently he put up a cool million to the finder of Saddam. Go figure. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...iz/3141942.stm __________________ " In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard.

12-22-2003, 08:31 PM	#33 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	poor bruce, looses Demi to that punk Kutcher, makes Tears of the Sun and now this. what a bad movie __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

12-22-2003, 09:04 PM	#34 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	Can anyone here prove that it is not a robot version of Saddam that was put together by the CIA under the direct command of George W Bush? I can't prove that its not. It may be true given the past of this administration. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

12-22-2003, 09:17 PM	#35 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	that's one of those things that makes you go hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

12-23-2003, 08:53 AM	#37 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	yes he does. its another conspiracy theory __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

12-23-2003, 12:24 PM	#38 (permalink)
floydthebarber Insane Location: ?	I'd be interested in hearing what Saddam has to say on this. Not that any of the neo-cons would believe it. __________________ wish you were here

12-24-2003, 02:16 PM	#39 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	the americans will never let saddam speak he could incriminate too many people and tell secrets about american involvement in the iran-iraq war. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder