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2wolves · 12-18-2003, 10:40 AM

http://www.drudgereport.com/mattbc1.htm

"XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU DEC 18, 2003 09:25:08 ET XXXXX

HOST UNHINGED AFTER SALES FIGURES REVEALED; CALLS DRUDGE 'THREAT TO DEMOCRACY'

TalkerAuthor Bill O'Reilly lashed out against this space during his popular FOXNEWS O'REILLY FACTOR Wednesday night -- just hours after closely guarded book sales figures were splashed over the internet.

Sales figures show how, contrary to his claims, O'Reilly lags far behind rivals Al Franken and Sen. Hillary Clinton for nonfiction props!

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Responding to an exclusive yearender DRUDGE dispatch, which presented NIELSEN's Top 20 BOOKSCAN list of 2003 sales, O'Reilly called the DRUDGE REPORT a "threat to democracy."

"I mean you can't believe a word Matt Drudge says," O'Reilly told the cameras. "Now you've got the Matt Drudges of the world and these other people, Michael Moore and all of these crazies, all right, no responsibility... that is a threat to democracy, I think." O'Reilly warned: "They'll just spin it and twist it and take it out of proportion every which way.""

Just a bit of the intra-party flame war. This is what happens when liberals or conservatives have too much time & influence. Petty.

2Wolves

Conclamo Ludus · 12-18-2003, 10:54 AM

How did Al Franken, Hillary, Michael moore and O'Reilly get categorized as non-fiction? I thought they were the sci-fi/fantasy crowd.

Superbelt · 12-18-2003, 11:09 AM

I thought Frankens book was well researched (Harvard students), well written, and very funny.

The most serious attempt at criticism I could find about it was that he extensively used endnotes, which is something he busted Coulter on in the book.
Other than that, you can criticise him for being intensely partisan. But at least he is honest about it.

Franken deserves a place much higher than the rest of that bunch.

Ustwo · 12-18-2003, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Superbelt

Franken deserves a place much higher than the rest of that bunch.

Higher then Hilary, the smartest woman ever?!?!

Ustwo · 12-18-2003, 11:29 AM

Just found this....

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By Ann Coulter

In a recent interview with Al Franken conducted by Edward Nawotka for Publisher's Weekly, after suggesting that some readers might want Franken to run for president, the interviewer proceeded to ask Franken hardball questions such as:

Ann Coulter

"It's got to be a little grating to see your book on the same New York Times best-seller list as the Ann Coulter book."

"You fact-checked Ann Coulter's book and found a lot of inconsistencies, outright lies and quotes that are taken out of context. Who is responsible for those kinds of errors, the author or the editors?"

"How should booksellers deal with this?"

In a later interview with me, the same interviewer asked me questions like these:

"(W)ho is ultimately responsible for the errors (in your book), you, the publisher, or both?"

"What gives -- was this an honest mistake or malfeasance as he suggests?"

"Why all the name calling?"

Apparently it never occurred to Publisher's Weekly that Franken's allegations of errors in my book -- or "outright lies," as the interviewer put it -- were false.

It's interesting that the most devastating examples of my alleged "lies" keep changing. As soon as one is disproved, I'm asked to respond to another. This is behavior normally associated with conspiracy theorists in tinfoil hats. One crackpot argument after another is shot down -- but the conspiracy theorists just move on to the next crackpot argument without pause or reconsideration. Certainly without apology.

Here are a few of the alleged "lies" that I have already responded to -- and which were then dropped by the Coulter hysterics as they barreled ahead to the next inane charge. A fuller response will be published on my Web site at anncoulter.com.

Franken's very first charge against me is that I told a reporter from the Observer that I was "friendly" with Franken, when in fact, we are not "friendly."

Needless to say, I never claimed to be friendly with Al Franken. Inasmuch as I barely know Franken, a normal person might have looked at that and realized the reporter misunderstood me. But apparently Franken thinks he has a pretty cool name to drop -- the oddest case of reverse name-dropping I've ever heard of.

I don't hear about this "lie" so much anymore.

Franken hysterically accuses me of "lying" for calling my endnotes "footnotes" in interviews on my book.

Yes, notes at the end of a book are technically "endnotes," not "footnotes." Franken will have to take his case up with The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post and the rest of the universe -- all of which referred to my 780 endnotes as "FOOTNOTES." Also, God, for inventing the concept of "colloquial speech."

I don't hear so much about this "lie" anymore.

Franken claims I complain that conservatives don't get on TV enough.
Inasmuch as I am on TV a lot, this would be a hilarious point. Too bad I never said it. My book "Slander" -- which Franken seems to have gone over with a fine-toothed comb -- would have been a good place to make that point if I wanted to make it. "Slander" contains an entire chapter on the media, and yet I never claim that conservatives are not on TV enough. What I say is: "Democrats in the media are editors, national correspondents, news anchors and reporters. Republicans are 'from the right' polemicists grudgingly tolerated within the liberal behemoth."

By the way, I also say: "The distinction between opinion journalism and objective news coverage is seemingly impossible for liberals to grasp." Franken's absurd description of my point proves it.

I haven't heard so much about this "lie" anymore.

I claim Evan Thomas' father was the Socialist Party presidential candidate Norman Thomas.
Franken drones on and on for a page and a half about how Norman Thomas was not Evan Thomas' father -- without saying that he was Evan's grandfather. This was one of about five inconsequential errors quickly corrected in "Slander" -- and cited one million times by liberals as a "lie." Confusing "father" with "grandfather" is a mistake. Franken's deliberate implication that there was no relationship whatsoever between Norman and Evan Thomas is intentional dishonesty.

I haven't heard so much about this "lie" anymore.

I incorrectly claimed Dale Earnhardt (news - web sites)'s death was not mentioned on the front page of The New York Times the day after his death.
In my three best-selling books -- making the case for a president's impeachment, accusing liberals of systematic lying and propagandizing, arguing that Joe McCarthy was a great American patriot, and detailing 50 years of treachery by the Democratic Party -- this is the only vaguely substantive error the Ann Coulter hysterics have been able to produce, corrected soon after publication. CONGRATULATIONS, LIBERALS!!!

The Columbia Journalism Review was crowing about this great victory over Ann Coulter a year ago. A search of "coulter" and "earnhardt" on Google turns up more than 1,000 hits. Now Franken dedicates another two pages in his book to it. I believe this triumph of theirs has been sufficiently revisited by now. At least I didn't miss the Ukrainian famine (cf., Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times reporter Walter Duranty).

I don't hear so much about this "lie" anymore.

Henceforth, I shall rely on sensible people to see that I have answered the liberal hate groups' first 17 rounds of indignant charges against me. If they had a better example out there, we would have heard it before the 18th round.

I'd seen some of this mentioned before, but not responded to by Anne herself. On a side note, I'd love to nail Ann Coulter but only after she eats a cheeseburger a day for a month.

2wolves · 12-18-2003, 11:41 AM

The famous Us diet. That I can agree with you, skinny women..... there's no there, there.

2Wolves

Ustwo · 12-18-2003, 11:54 AM

I LIKE thin, but skeletal...icky.

onetime2 · 12-18-2003, 11:58 AM

First off, Hillary's book needs to be taken right out of the mix based on inflated sales figures. Not sure about the others, but it's a universal truth that politicians' books are purchased by groups friendly to them. There are no restrictions on the DNC, RNC, corporations, individuals, PACs, whatever purchasing massive quantities of books so that the tagline "Best Selling Author" or "New York Times Bestselling Author", etc can be added to political resumes.

Superbelt · 12-18-2003, 12:04 PM

That's true onetime. And when these groups buy the book in bulk the book gets the dagger asterix next to its position in the chart.

Do you know if Hillarys book ever got the asterix?

onetime2 · 12-18-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Superbelt
That's true onetime. And when these groups buy the book in bulk the book gets the dagger asterix next to its position in the chart.

Do you know if Hillarys book ever got the asterix?

I don't know if Hillary's was ever so noted, but the asterisk is far from an accurate reflection of the purchasing. The shill buying is done so that they can't be tainted in such a way. It's done across the board whether Dem or Republican.

2wolves · 12-18-2003, 01:01 PM

Richard Mellon-Scaife is notorius for bulk binge buying. Go to Newsmax and (I believe TownHall) to see conservative authors work in hardback being handed out for $1 per.

Now back to the regular programming..... why do you believe that entrenched power structures have a tendency to 'eat their own,' or do you disagree?

2Wolves

Ustwo · 12-19-2003, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by 2wolves
Richard Mellon-Scaife is notorius for bulk binge buying. Go to Newsmax and (I believe TownHall) to see conservative authors work in hardback being handed out for $1 per.

I looked on newsmax, oddly I saw no books more then $4 below list, most were less then that. Perhaps your information is not correct?

nirol · 12-19-2003, 05:57 PM

Book Sales figures were (dont know if this is still the case) done by surveying a select few book sellers and extrapolating the results. The publicity people for publishers game the system by "loading" sales in these outlets. Nonfiction is a very small part of sales, compared to fiction. This is why Diet books are always on the list.

2wolves · 12-19-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
I looked on newsmax, oddly I saw no books more then $4 below list, most were less then that. Perhaps your information is not correct?

It was linked through TownHall, so very sorry you didn't find it with your only attempt.

http://www.conservativebookclub.com/...our_cd=WC00044

Ok?

Now, you were saying........

2Wolves

Ustwo · 12-19-2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by 2wolves
Now, you were saying........

2Wolves

Gee that’s shocking....

I had no idea that those 10 albums for 1 cent things were also run by conservatives!

Ummm sarcasm aside you do know how these 'book club' type things work right?

Quote:

Your Introductory Package

When you enroll in the Conservative Book Club today you will receive 3 books for just $3.00 plus $5.95 shipping and handling. This is our way of saying thank you for giving the Club a try.

Your Purchase Obligation

When you join Conservative Book Club today you agree to purchase 4 books at regularly discounted member prices within 24 months.

Also it states they will automatically charge your credit card for you. So if this works like a standard scam, they will expect you to purchase many more then 4 books as you won't bother to return ones you don't want.

Ustwo · 12-19-2003, 09:21 PM

http://www.bomc.com/doc/bom/ms/ms_10...fo=bm-gld-04pa

Check out some of the titles in this 5 for $1 book club....

Is that our buddy Al Franken?

For one dollar!?!

And you get 4 more books for that SAME dollar?!?!

Why I could get that book on the Kennedy's

and that other book about how great Blill Clinton

is and still have 2 more books for that dollar.

Maybe I'll get that O'Reilly book and some intentional fiction with the other 2 bucks.

hobo · 12-19-2003, 10:10 PM

I like Drudge, he provides me with news

I don't believe that he, or Michael Moore are a threat to democracy. It is ridiculous for anyone to say so.

2wolves · 12-21-2003, 07:41 AM

So yes there are books available for $1 apeice..... glad you agree.

Now, how about the original topic sans hijacking?

2Wolves

12-18-2003, 10:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Popcorn? Soda? http://www.drudgereport.com/mattbc1.htm "XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU DEC 18, 2003 09:25:08 ET XXXXX HOST UNHINGED AFTER SALES FIGURES REVEALED; CALLS DRUDGE 'THREAT TO DEMOCRACY' TalkerAuthor Bill O'Reilly lashed out against this space during his popular FOXNEWS O'REILLY FACTOR Wednesday night -- just hours after closely guarded book sales figures were splashed over the internet. Sales figures show how, contrary to his claims, O'Reilly lags far behind rivals Al Franken and Sen. Hillary Clinton for nonfiction props! MORE Responding to an exclusive yearender DRUDGE dispatch, which presented NIELSEN's Top 20 BOOKSCAN list of 2003 sales, O'Reilly called the DRUDGE REPORT a "threat to democracy." "I mean you can't believe a word Matt Drudge says," O'Reilly told the cameras. "Now you've got the Matt Drudges of the world and these other people, Michael Moore and all of these crazies, all right, no responsibility... that is a threat to democracy, I think." O'Reilly warned: "They'll just spin it and twist it and take it out of proportion every which way."" Just a bit of the intra-party flame war. This is what happens when liberals or conservatives have too much time & influence. Petty. 2Wolves __________________ Nation of the Cat. Forgive maybe, forget .... not quite yet.

12-18-2003, 10:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	How did Al Franken, Hillary, Michael moore and O'Reilly get categorized as non-fiction? I thought they were the sci-fi/fantasy crowd. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

12-18-2003, 11:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	I thought Frankens book was well researched (Harvard students), well written, and very funny. The most serious attempt at criticism I could find about it was that he extensively used endnotes, which is something he busted Coulter on in the book. Other than that, you can criticise him for being intensely partisan. But at least he is honest about it. Franken deserves a place much higher than the rest of that bunch. Last edited by Superbelt; 12-18-2003 at 11:11 AM..

12-18-2003, 11:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I LIKE thin, but skeletal...icky. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

12-18-2003, 11:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
onetime2 Junkie Location: NJ	First off, Hillary's book needs to be taken right out of the mix based on inflated sales figures. Not sure about the others, but it's a universal truth that politicians' books are purchased by groups friendly to them. There are no restrictions on the DNC, RNC, corporations, individuals, PACs, whatever purchasing massive quantities of books so that the tagline "Best Selling Author" or "New York Times Bestselling Author", etc can be added to political resumes. __________________ Strive to be more curious than ignorant.

12-18-2003, 11:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	The famous Us diet. That I can agree with you, skinny women..... there's no there, there. 2Wolves

12-18-2003, 12:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	That's true onetime. And when these groups buy the book in bulk the book gets the dagger asterix next to its position in the chart. Do you know if Hillarys book ever got the asterix?

12-18-2003, 01:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Richard Mellon-Scaife is notorius for bulk binge buying. Go to Newsmax and (I believe TownHall) to see conservative authors work in hardback being handed out for $1 per. Now back to the regular programming..... why do you believe that entrenched power structures have a tendency to 'eat their own,' or do you disagree? 2Wolves __________________ Nation of the Cat. Forgive maybe, forget .... not quite yet.

12-19-2003, 05:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
nirol Crazy Location: South East US	Book Sales figures were (dont know if this is still the case) done by surveying a select few book sellers and extrapolating the results. The publicity people for publishers game the system by "loading" sales in these outlets. Nonfiction is a very small part of sales, compared to fiction. This is why Diet books are always on the list. __________________ 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)

12-19-2003, 09:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	http://www.bomc.com/doc/bom/ms/ms_10...fo=bm-gld-04pa Check out some of the titles in this 5 for $1 book club.... Is that our buddy Al Franken? For one dollar!?! And you get 4 more books for that SAME dollar?!?! Why I could get that book on the Kennedy's and that other book about how great Blill Clinton is and still have 2 more books for that dollar. Maybe I'll get that O'Reilly book and some intentional fiction with the other 2 bucks. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. Last edited by Ustwo; 12-19-2003 at 09:59 PM..

12-19-2003, 10:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	I like Drudge, he provides me with news I don't believe that he, or Michael Moore are a threat to democracy. It is ridiculous for anyone to say so.

12-21-2003, 07:41 AM	#18 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	So yes there are books available for $1 apeice..... glad you agree. Now, how about the original topic sans hijacking? 2Wolves __________________ Nation of the Cat. Forgive maybe, forget .... not quite yet.