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Old 12-14-2003, 09:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: U.S. Bars Iraq War Opponents From Bidding

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No evidence? lol, check your list a bit more thoroughly. The groups you listed happen to be at the top. Then you mention GE. Do you realize how tied GE is to defense? The fact that they get a reconstruction bid at all is plum, not evidence of any point you're trying to make. They already made all their money back in dividends during the destroying stage.
I'll tell you what, you give me $8,843, and next time I get my paycheck, I'll send you $5,927. You would never do this, no matter how much money I might've sent you out of the blue in the past. Sure, GE gets paid to help rebuild what they helped level. But they actually lost money in the rebuilding process. One might rephrase that as GE paid to help rebuild what they helped level.

The groups I listed happened to be at the top because I compared top-10 lists. Of course any overlaps would be at the top. If there were a correlation, there would be 7, 8, 9, 10 overlaps between top 10 contributors and top 10 contractors. The fact that there are only 3 is significant. Accordingly, drawn over the entire list, we only have a correlation coefficient of 0.192, which is not that much better than randomly awarding contracts.

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You and I sift through two charts and that qualifies either one of us to question a report that was researched for 6 months? Me thinks you need more info...
A report can be researched for ages and still be completely wrong. The length of time committed doesn't make something right. On average, I spend over an hour for each post I write (and still, sadly, make grammatical and spelling errors). Someone can spend thirty seconds looking at it and point out a flaw in my argument. I'm still wrong.

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Old 12-16-2003, 04:31 PM   #42 (permalink)
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what do you mean canada doesn't deserve it . . ..?

Um . . I don't quite understand some of these posts.

So Canada didn't vocally support the intial invasion of Iraq fine. But we have contributed in many other ways. We've contributed food and medical supplies for the people of Iraq. We've also contributed military force to aid the U.S. and Britian as well. I believe several Canadian snipers are going to be recognized by the U.S. military with medals of bravery.

So don't tell me we dont' contribute and don't deserve to BID on the rebuilding of Iraq.

Furthermore . . .

"We need you for what, exactly?
Maple Syrup?
Gobs of pinkish white people invading the South East coast line in February?
A buffer to keep those evil residents of the North Pole from invading? One of them comes anyway every 25th of December."

Please tell me this is a joke. What do you need. Who the HELL do you think powered the U.S during the big power outage. CANADA. We provide the U.S. will lumber, steel, uranium, our fish, not to mention how many planes were re-routed to land in canada during the 9/11 terrorist attact and some of the best damn maple syrup around.

So you can understand I become very defensive and pissed when people make statements like the one above. We've contributed to Iraq in many many ways Canada should be able to BID on these rebuilding contracts.

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Old 12-18-2003, 10:15 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Um . . I don't quite understand some of these posts.

So Canada didn't vocally support the intial invasion of Iraq fine. But we have contributed in many other ways. We've contributed food and medical supplies for the people of Iraq. We've also contributed military force to aid the U.S. and Britian as well. I believe several Canadian snipers are going to be recognized by the U.S. military with medals of bravery.

So don't tell me we dont' contribute and don't deserve to BID on the rebuilding of Iraq.

Furthermore . . .

"We need you for what, exactly?
Maple Syrup?
Gobs of pinkish white people invading the South East coast line in February?
A buffer to keep those evil residents of the North Pole from invading? One of them comes anyway every 25th of December."

Please tell me this is a joke. What do you need. Who the HELL do you think powered the U.S during the big power outage. CANADA. We provide the U.S. will lumber, steel, uranium, our fish, not to mention how many planes were re-routed to land in canada during the 9/11 terrorist attact and some of the best damn maple syrup around.

So you can understand I become very defensive and pissed when people make statements like the one above. We've contributed to Iraq in many many ways Canada should be able to BID on these rebuilding contracts.

Cheers,
Jason
well said i agree 100% good job
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Old 12-18-2003, 10:29 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Didn't Bush say that Canada can now bid?
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Old 12-19-2003, 03:14 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I find all this bargain prett funny, and it brings up one question.
Who is allowed to make the rules for those contracts? The USA or the Iraqi "Goverment"?
Those contracts will probably last longer than the US occupation, so is the USA allowed to dictate were the Iraq have to buy their stuff for the next years?
Some day ago the Iraqi council member al-Hakim visited Germany and he said that they agreed to let all nations and all companys into the Iraq to help them with the rebuilding.
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Old 12-19-2003, 06:51 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Kinda glad I didn't post my initial thoughts on this, or I would get to eat a nice, tasty crow on this. (Fortunately, there's a good recipe in Dumas, but I digress).

This looked really puzzling at the outset. Sure, to those who see the world in black and white, it's a no brainer: If you didn't help to make the opportunity, why should you be able to take advange of it. On the other hand, with a more nuanced worldview, it's still a no brainer: Now that we have everyone pissed off, we could use these contracts to buy back some good will (doesn't necessarily work on people, but politicians love it).

However, Jim Baker's success in France on the debt relief junket makes one wonder: is it possible that the whole contract restriction thing was there just to set up the conditions to make debt relief palatable? If we were to accept debt relief as a significant contribution to our efforts in Iraq, then countries who significantly remit or reschedule their Iraqi debt would be eligable to bid on the contracts.

You know, I have always thought Carl Rove was an evil genius, and this clinches it. I have got to admire the subtlety of this. A totally inflammatory action completely in character and moronic on the surface turns out to be the exact thing to turn petulant refusal to giddy compliance. Genius! (Still evil, though.)
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Old 12-19-2003, 07:09 AM   #47 (permalink)
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It may help to increase pressure on those governments who refuse to join us in Iraq from corporations within their borders who would like to participate but are barred from it.
Yep, couldn't have seen those considerations coming from the Iraq "foes". Politics is mostly about negotiation and pressure. Certainly there would have been no pressure for debt relief if we didn't have the reconstruction contracts to bargain with.
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