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Huggles, sir?
Location: Seattle
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Google - a Public Utility?!
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paranoid
Location: The Netherlands
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People don't want Google (or any other popular service) to be able to [silently] direct the public.
Like the article says: If google drops you from their results you're in serious trouble (if your business depends on random visits) I don't see it as a public utility though, as there are more search engines out there. The danger lies in silent manipulation of the site's visitors, that's one thing people should look out for. (Google does to a certain degree 'decide' where webtraffic is headed.) But if Google dropped from the 'Net (let's hope not, they're doing a decent job) people would quickly switch, no society threatening catastrophies there... So a possible manipulation tool? yeah... possibility of abuse by google's staff? yeah... But the same goes for Microsoft, newspapers and television.
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Junkie
Location: Right here
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I went to nutch's site and read their description. I like the point the developers made regarding how their open system wouldn't include bias--or, at least, the biases would be publicly available.
To me, this isn't a case of government dependency. Although, I don't quite understand why that is even used in a negative fashion. The idea of government, to me, is that it should be responsive to and protective of the people's needs. So dependency seems like an odd notion to disparage. We should be able to use collective, political action to effect change or regulate those who refuse to regulate themselves (not that Google isn't doing that already; rather, if the operators decide not to).
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Huggles, sir?
Location: Seattle
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I change
Location: USA
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What is really interesting to me is how technology creates new connectivities that never existed before and how our conceptions of economic and macro-economic principles adapts. I'm with Peetster, both views are fascinating and compelling.
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Junkie
Location: Don't worry about it.
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A monopoly of search engines, you've got to be joking.
A public utility? Doubtful. However, the internet as a whole, is, granted, there is money to be made, but it's the greatest source of information on the planet. Google, isn't, it's just a search engine, the gateway to access that information. There is 100's of other ones out there. I find it said that people with sub-par products, have to find a way to get the goverment involved to get they're piece of the pie - legally. If you open a restaruant, and ten others open across the street from you. If your food sucks, you go out of business. Why should consumers be forced to eat sub-par food, or use sub-par search engines? Last edited by Kurant; 11-20-2003 at 08:01 PM.. |
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paranoid
Location: The Netherlands
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If a restaurant serves you bad food, you go look for an alternative. If Google returns only half the resources that it could return to your query, how would you know? If you searched for 'animated movie', and Google decided to like the Disney corporation, then it could return Disney (and relating pages) as the first links to any such query. And move Pixar, Dreamworks and the like to say the tenth page. Joe, the average user, would not know, would not care and therefore be 'led' to Disney, severely affecting the economic situation of the affected companies. ** Note, I am exagerating here, and I'd hate to see regulation. But I'm all for competition that Joe can see. Most people know only google, and like Altavista at their time, Google can abuse that. I just hope that Google keeps their QoS as they seem to be doing... ** Another note: I agree with lordjeebus below...
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Location: College
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I think that the "public utility" designation exists for services that serve most people and cannot establish essential infrastructure without public support/approval. A power company needs a place to puts its lines, as does a phone company. The water company needs a place to lay its pipes. In order to establish a power grid, the government gives a company the right to set up power poles everywhere. This is a good thing because it would be pointless, wasteful, expensive, and inefficient to have competing networks of power grids, sewer systems, etc. In exchange for its service, the government grants a utility the power to access public land, airspace, etc. It is all right for government to demand that other companies be allowed to use present infrastructure b/c it should not be expected to make concessions for the building of parallel infrastructure that provides no net benefit.
Google is different. It does not need anything beyond what any other normal corporation needs. It does not receive special access from the government to conduct its business. The public did not grant Google access to its land, its air, or any other shared property. Also, unlike utilities, there would be plenty of benefit from the existence of many competing search engine systems. Google is successful because of its own innovation, not because of government-bestowed power. Any other company is free and encouraged to create its own search technology and apply it however it wants. Google is not a utility, and to regulate it as such is an abuse of the law. |
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