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BoCo · 11-13-2003, 07:27 AM

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'Zorba the Greek': Jews are 'root of evil'
Composer's remarks virtually unnoticed despite TV coverage

Flanked by Greek government leaders, composer Mikis Theodorakis of "Zorba the Greek" fame issued a scathing denunciation of Jews at a reception covered extensively by the national media.

"Today, we can say that these little people are the root of evil," said Theodorakis, 78, according to Agence France-Presse.

Despite the media attention given to the event – a Nov. 4 reception for publication of his autobiography – the anti-Semitic remarks were repeated only in a small right-wing newspaper.

Greek Jewish leaders have criticized government leaders for not reacting.

Theodorakis "repeated in the 21st century opinions from the darkest Middle Ages and slogans used by Nazi Germany, fanning both inside and outside the country the winds of intolerance and racism," the Central Jewish Council of Greece charged in a statement, according to AFP.

The popular composer, a committed left-wing political activist, was jailed under the fascist junta that ruled Greece in the late 1960s and early 1970s, AFP noted.

He made the comments with Culture Minister Evangelos Venizelos and Education Minister Petros Efthymiou at his side.

AFP said neither minister reacted when Theodorakis said Greeks and Jews "are two peoples without kin, but they had fanaticism and self-knowledge and managed to prevail."

The government distanced itself from the remarks.

"The government does not share and is not in agreement with the opinion expressed by Mr. Theodorakis," spokesman Christos Protopapas said.

He added, however, that "despite the disagreement" the composer "is still held in high regard" by the government for his works.
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This makes me sick! Notice how the media, run mostly by Jews in America totally covered this up! It's a shame they're not looking out for their own people.

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nirol · 11-13-2003, 07:37 AM

I wonder about the growing Anti-semitism throughout Europe. Have they killed or expelled so many Jews that there are not enough left for people to develop relationships with this ethnic group? I wonder if they just see them as an easy target for blame for many of societies ills. It seems so base.
This is not an excuse. I grew up in the South of the US and have had very little interaction with Jews, but I dont see them as a repository for all the worlds ills.
I know that some of the European attitudes are influenced by the large amount of immigration from Muslim countries.
It is all kind of sickening.

BoCo · 11-13-2003, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by nirol
I know that some of the European attitudes are influenced by the large amount of immigration from Muslim countries.

Absolutely. Why do you think the U.N tried so hard to keep the Muslims in Serbia back when Clinton was in power?

Shauk · 11-13-2003, 10:51 AM

well, to me, it looks like this was just an article aimed at making the left wing associated with racists and the right wing as the only people who dare uncover this story.

this story deserves inpartial coverage, but since it aligned its wording in politics, im gonna have to pass on commenting on this particular article.

Shauk · 11-13-2003, 10:56 AM

yeah just what i thought, it was taken way out of context, i wondered why the quote ended with a comma.

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Theodorakis, anti-semite?

Theodorakis avec Ygal Alon en 1972
Introduction to make things clear:

While presenting his new book “Pou Na Vro Tin Psychi Mou” (Where will I find my soul?), Mikis Theodorakis also spoke, off the record, about the problem of Israel. The fact that the great Greek dailies didn't even mention his comments shows already how small the importance of his statements was.

Nevertheless, when they have been drawn out of their context and known, the result has been an unbelievable polemic: Pages and pages of electronic mail and inscriptions in the guest book arrive here and in Athens. We have erased (better: hidden) them, because our guest book is not a trash bag for hateful outbreaks of perverse minds, were they Israelis, Jews, Neonazis or Anti-Semites:

"You are a Sinile old Antisemitic Primitiv." - "Mikis - I hope you die of a heart attack!" - "Go to hell, Zorba, and take your goat with you", are just three examples and the most harmless "kindnesses" that have been sent to us or to Theodorakis.

We confront them with the declaration of Mikis Theodorakis himself. This is our contribution to a discussion that, decidedly, doesn't honour those who have started it.

Guy Wagner
Webmaster - Chairman of the International Theodorakis Foundation FILIKI

MIKIS THEODORAKIS
Epiphanous 1
117 42 ATHEN
Tel. 00 30 210 9214863
Fax 9236325
E-mail. Theodorakis@hol.gr

DECLARATION

My opinion of the Israeli people, as on all things, has always been known and I am frankly at a loss as to why such a great commotion was made this time, as if it was heard for the first time. Maybe some people judged this to be the right time to launch an attack on me.

I was always on the side of the weak, of those struggling for the Justice of People. And among them were the Israeli People. I sang their suffering as well as I could. I was always in favor of the peaceful coexistence of peoples. And I showed this in practice, when, among other things, I undertook a mediatory role between Alon and Arafat in the incidents of 1972.

But, precisely for these reasons, I am totally opposed to Sharon’s policy and I have stressed this repeatedly, just as I have repeatedly condemned the role of prominent American Jewish politicians, intellectuals and theorists in the shaping of today’s aggressive Bush “policy.”

Only through a conscious effort can anyone confuse the Israeli People, for whom I have shown my respect and wonder in practice and these negative phenomena which are what truly blacken the image of Israel and play a genuine “anti-Semitic” role. It is these which are on the side of Evil, the root of Evil, as I stated recently.

Personally, I am happy because I know that there are many Israelis all over the world and within Israel who agree with me and are striving for the true Justice of their People and can coexist with the Justice of other People as well, who are struggling for Peace in their region and the whole world. I am happy that we have been together in these joint struggles for decades now. And I know that they know me well through these struggles and they are not waiting for the mud of some in order to get to know me.

But perhaps this is the aim of those who suddenly “discovered” my ideas and slander me as an alleged “anti-Semite.”

Athens, 12.11.2003

this is just more political mud slinging against the left.

figures.

rogue49 · 11-13-2003, 12:38 PM

hmm...seems to me that people who think certain groups are the root of all evil
are the root of all evil.

Ignorance may be bliss...but it's hell for everyone around that ignorance.

MuadDib · 11-13-2003, 12:38 PM

OMG! I love Jewish conspiracy theories. They own the media, they run legal institutions, they are plotting to take over the world!!!! For God's sake what on Earth would Jewish Americans have to gain by covering this up? If anything they want anti-semitism exposed to rally against. Its a tragedy that the Greek authorities don't at least decry these remarks and furthermore that the US and international community don't follow suit.

eple · 11-13-2003, 02:43 PM

I want 5 minutes of my life back.

XenuHubbard · 11-14-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by nirol
I wonder about the growing Anti-semitism throughout Europe. Have they killed or expelled so many Jews that there are not enough left for people to develop relationships with this ethnic group?

The growing Anti-semitism in Europe is not what it sounds like.
During the early 90's, the BURNING HATRED AGAINST BOSNIANS grew like nothing else. That's what happens when people from different factions in warring countries emigrate. The feelings are not gone.

I would say that the most hated group in Europe is the Turkish group. The racists don't like them, the Greeks and the Kurds and the Bulgarians really hate them.

But since there is no word that means "Not liking a Turk", it isn't reported.

The Libanese don't like the Jews. This is unfortunate, but hardly surprising. Hell, I know a few Somalis who don't like Americans. I wouldn't call that surprising or newsworthy either.

As for the newsstory - "singer talks politics". This has clearly been blown out of proportion. I didn't care when Bruce Willis called Louis Farrakhan nice, and I care even less what Mikis has got to say.

It's all about playing on old feelings. Anti-Semitism doesn't mean more to me than any other type of racial prejudice does. It's just a more effective word to throw around.

auswegian · 11-14-2003, 06:21 AM

Meh. European anti-Semitism is a bit of a bugbear these days. I know a lot of people, European and otherwise, who oppose Israeli politics, complain about "Jewish" control of the media and soforth. But they aren't the least bit anti-semitic. Hell, I know a few Jews whom make "anti-semitic" comments. The European Left is painted as anti-semitic all the time, but its a load of BS.

And besides, that site linked to doesn't seem to be much for unbiased reporting. Give me a link to Reuters or the BBC and then maybe I'll take it seriously.

BoCo · 11-14-2003, 06:30 AM

You people sound like a bunch of apologists to me. Looks like all the media brainwashing over the last 40 years worked like a charm.

eple · 11-14-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by BoCo
You people sound like a bunch of apologists to me. Looks like all the media brainwashing over the last 40 years worked like a charm.

How amusing, a Bush-supporter talking about media brainwash.

drown_with_me · 11-14-2003, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by BoCo
You people sound like a bunch of apologists to me. Looks like all the media brainwashing over the last 40 years worked like a charm.

Is this guy for real?

11-13-2003, 07:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	Jews are the root of evil? Betcha didn't here this story yet... <hr> 'Zorba the Greek': Jews are 'root of evil' Composer's remarks virtually unnoticed despite TV coverage Flanked by Greek government leaders, composer Mikis Theodorakis of "Zorba the Greek" fame issued a scathing denunciation of Jews at a reception covered extensively by the national media. "Today, we can say that these little people are the root of evil," said Theodorakis, 78, according to Agence France-Presse. Despite the media attention given to the event – a Nov. 4 reception for publication of his autobiography – the anti-Semitic remarks were repeated only in a small right-wing newspaper. Greek Jewish leaders have criticized government leaders for not reacting. Theodorakis "repeated in the 21st century opinions from the darkest Middle Ages and slogans used by Nazi Germany, fanning both inside and outside the country the winds of intolerance and racism," the Central Jewish Council of Greece charged in a statement, according to AFP. The popular composer, a committed left-wing political activist, was jailed under the fascist junta that ruled Greece in the late 1960s and early 1970s, AFP noted. He made the comments with Culture Minister Evangelos Venizelos and Education Minister Petros Efthymiou at his side. AFP said neither minister reacted when Theodorakis said Greeks and Jews "are two peoples without kin, but they had fanaticism and self-knowledge and managed to prevail." The government distanced itself from the remarks. "The government does not share and is not in agreement with the opinion expressed by Mr. Theodorakis," spokesman Christos Protopapas said. He added, however, that "despite the disagreement" the composer "is still held in high regard" by the government for his works. <hr> This makes me sick! Notice how the media, run mostly by Jews in America totally covered this up! It's a shame they're not looking out for their own people. LINK __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

11-13-2003, 07:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
nirol Crazy Location: South East US	I wonder about the growing Anti-semitism throughout Europe. Have they killed or expelled so many Jews that there are not enough left for people to develop relationships with this ethnic group? I wonder if they just see them as an easy target for blame for many of societies ills. It seems so base. This is not an excuse. I grew up in the South of the US and have had very little interaction with Jews, but I dont see them as a repository for all the worlds ills. I know that some of the European attitudes are influenced by the large amount of immigration from Muslim countries. It is all kind of sickening. __________________ 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)

11-13-2003, 12:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	OMG! I love Jewish conspiracy theories. They own the media, they run legal institutions, they are plotting to take over the world!!!! For God's sake what on Earth would Jewish Americans have to gain by covering this up? If anything they want anti-semitism exposed to rally against. Its a tragedy that the Greek authorities don't at least decry these remarks and furthermore that the US and international community don't follow suit. __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

11-14-2003, 06:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
auswegian Crazy Location: Perth, Australia	Meh. European anti-Semitism is a bit of a bugbear these days. I know a lot of people, European and otherwise, who oppose Israeli politics, complain about "Jewish" control of the media and soforth. But they aren't the least bit anti-semitic. Hell, I know a few Jews whom make "anti-semitic" comments. The European Left is painted as anti-semitic all the time, but its a load of BS. And besides, that site linked to doesn't seem to be much for unbiased reporting. Give me a link to Reuters or the BBC and then maybe I'll take it seriously. __________________ "Look, I'm pretty relaxed for a guy who just lost money on a rave. And who's currently speeding down the highway drunk off my tits. And I'm being chased by someone in a blue Corolla. Woohoo! I just ran a red light!"

11-14-2003, 06:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	You people sound like a bunch of apologists to me. Looks like all the media brainwashing over the last 40 years worked like a charm. __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

11-13-2003, 10:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	well, to me, it looks like this was just an article aimed at making the left wing associated with racists and the right wing as the only people who dare uncover this story. this story deserves inpartial coverage, but since it aligned its wording in politics, im gonna have to pass on commenting on this particular article.

11-13-2003, 12:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	hmm...seems to me that people who think certain groups are the root of all evil are the root of all evil. Ignorance may be bliss...but it's hell for everyone around that ignorance.

11-13-2003, 02:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	I want 5 minutes of my life back.