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Old 11-09-2003, 12:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The 10 Planks vs The Bill of Rights

America was designed with a system of checks and balances with an electoral form of representation forming the republic we know today. I hear allot of debate on the news about violations of the constitution, and other things some are interpreting as the wrong direction. This has been the case with the subject in recent days. The fact the country was founded with Christian influences beginning with the puritans first coming over to the founding fathers. It’s understandably a valid argument. If one speaks in higher terms of religion there is a bigger picture. New amendments created seem nothing more than modifications. IMO it shouldn’t seem this to be unrealistic as social evolution happens as America changes. Are these changes good or bad? Are the benefits universal or localized? Are the checks and balances system truly overcoming private influence? How far should support go, or does it just come to a matter of being thankful and complacent or being an unpatriotic troublemaker?


Heres a couple documents to compare the Ten Planks of the Communist Manfesto and the Bill of Rights.

Below the documents are existing entities in America presently which may have interesting points in relation to the ten planks.



The Bill of Rights

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.








The 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



Points of consideration in refernce to the 10 planks and present America:

1. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes, the Bureau of Land Management.

2. Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes.

3. Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Government seizures, tax liens, Public "law"

5. Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); and especially the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

6. The Desert Entry Act, and The Department of Agriculture, as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations

7. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

8. Social Security Administration and the Department of Labor. The 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Federal Public Works Program and, of course, Executive order 11000.

9. The Planning Reorganization act of 1949, zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system, the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education"
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Old 11-09-2003, 05:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is the kind of stuff I dont like to think about. Its the situation so we should just make the best of it. While it may not be pure free enterprise the US could be allot worse off.

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Old 11-09-2003, 07:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Of course no one wants to talk about it. They don't care as it doesn't affect them.
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Old 11-09-2003, 07:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I never liked that "America is still 'better' than (insert country X)" excuse that lots of people give. America could be considered "better" than a lot of countries on a bunch of different things, but that doesnt mean it doesnt need to change. It doesnt mean it doesnt have obvious faults. It doesn't mean that just because it's working today it will be working tomorrow.
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Old 11-10-2003, 02:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Its pretty interesting to compare the two and to peak inside the evolution of our government. It would seem that some of these changes that come about are only needed for a time period and then they should be reformed or re-evaluated in order to figure out if they really are necessary any more. I am NOT speaking about the Bill of Rights when I say that I mostly mean the tax laws and the New Deal programs, etc.
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