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eple · 10-06-2003, 10:56 PM

holy derail batman....

plz return to bashing gay-haters, start a new thread if you want to discuss wether or not all religion is really hatred.

Astrocloud · 10-07-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by eple
holy derail batman....

plz return to bashing gay-haters, start a new thread if you want to discuss wether or not all religion is really hatred.

I did a little research on this Phelps guy. He hates blacks too

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/w..._on_blacks.asp

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On Blacks
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"Anybody babbling about 'multicultural affairs' and 'celebrating diversity' is a propagandist for the militant sodomite agenda...Westboro Baptists will picket this black obfuscator, in religious protest and warning. Being black won't get you to Heaven. But promoting fags will take you to Hell."

-- "WBC Will Picket ___________________, Ph.D. She's a Multicultural, Diversity-Celebrating Blabbermouth," WBC "News Release," November 13, 1996

"Forget the American Bald Eagle. Since June 23, 1994, the only fitting emblem for the Great Seal of the United States Judiciary is this beast...Just call me: 'Yo Honuh'!!!... Here Come De Judge!!!"

--Text surrounding a racist caricature of an African-American female judge, "The Federal Judiciary: A Menagerie of Demonic, Libidinous, unclean Beasts: A Curse from God Upon an Apostate Nation," WBC flier, November 28, 1996

"Me ______________. Me lots smarter now. Me be Deputy Mayor...This crowd could dumb down the Western Hemisphere."

-- Text surrounding a drawing of a gorilla, "Wagnon's 'Friendlier Topeka,'" WBC flier, June 13, 1997. The named individual is an African-American city council member in Topeka, Kansas

"Black Female Dyke ___________ is a child of the Devil, peddling her satanic father's fag lies...She's dangerous because she plays the race card, the female card, & the poor-little-broken-home-orphan card like a fiddle to gullible fools who give her money."

-- "WBC to Picket Pervert ________, & Her Devil's Angels," WBC "News Release," May 20, 1996

"The recent race riots in New York over the senseless killing of young Yusef Hawkins, and the waves of Black students clashing with police in Virginia Beach, remind us that racism is not quite dead in America the beautiful. But most of us are sick and tired of self-flagellation. Shall a few isolated racist acts keep us all in sackcloth forever, repenting the sins of slave-owning ancestors?"

-- Fred Phelps in The Spotlight newspaper, October 30, 1989

"Meet _______________, black criminal...this black goon heads for 15-year-old Sharon Phelps...to beat her and hospitalize her."

-- "Boycott the Vintage...Black Bullies Beat White Kids and Women," WBC flier, March 31, 1996

"On Feb. 1 this sorry smear of Hamitic Sludge who sold his black soul to the Courthouse Whore ordered a fellow black murderer...released without bond & without an AIDS test!"

-- "Black Slime ____," WBC flier, February 6, 1995

eple · 10-07-2003, 12:29 PM

So....why has this man not yet been sodomized by big black YMCA-members?

Bill O'Rights · 10-07-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by ObieX
Starting a collection to erect a marble statue of Fred Phelps.

Taking suggestions on captions... possibly, "Fred Phelps, Entered Hell [date to be entered later after he is killed] in Defiance of God's Law: 'Love Thy Neighbor.', and for Inciting Hatred amongst the Children of God. Have a nice day. "

Also taking sugestions on the pose.

I think it's already been suggested:

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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad Man some people will do anything to make peopel think that they are NOT gay....

And I think a good pose would be Fred on his hands and knees, with pants pulled down to his knees.

Bill O'Rights · 10-07-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by lurkette

Bigots, can't live with 'em, can't take them out and shoot them without turning them into martyrs. Best thing to do is laugh at them, ignore them, and do what you can to spread the opposite message.

Excellent observation, my dear lurkette. The only thing that I might possibly add to that...would be to POINT and laugh.

sixate · 10-07-2003, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
Maybe if you didn't state your point in the most abrasive way possible more people would listen to what you say.

Read your statement again:

Are you just trying to start a flame war? Look at the consequences of your actions. You took a discussion that was going along reasonably well and completely threadjacked it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, Sixate. A lot of people here on the board seem to like you a lot. But here on Politics, you look to me like a classic Internet Troll.

*sigh*

I really thought this was over last night and I didn't check back until now. I'll give you the fact that my statement was "abrasive", but the simple fact here is the root of this man's hatred is religion. That's all my point is. There isn't a single person here who can say that his hate doesn't come from religion. If you think I'm wrong then you need to go look at the GodHatesFags website. That is pure hate, and in his mind, and many others, his god hates gay men and his bible says they should be killed.

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"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13. "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Romans 1:32.

Now, people can say I was off topic with my original statement, but I wasn't. Religion is the cause of his hate. Period! How is the root of this man's hate not part of the topic? Someone please explain........

eple · 10-07-2003, 02:59 PM

Dude, his hatred for gays id not based upon religion. AS previoulsy stated, he hates gays begause he is the most self-hating closet-gay of all times.

maximusveritas · 10-07-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

I think that says it all.
Religion by itself is not bad or hateful. It's only when nuts like this Phelps character start distorting it and overlooking its basic premise that problems arise. Even if Phelps wasn't religious, he'd make up some other rationale for his irrational hatred.

Lebell · 10-07-2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by eple
Dude, his hatred for gays id not based upon religion. AS previoulsy stated, he hates gays begause he is the most self-hating closet-gay of all times.

I agree.

I've spent the better part of the afternoon researching Fred Phelps, his history, his family and Westboro Baptist "Church" and religion isn't the cause, it's the excuse.

The man is clearly insane and evil.

sixate · 10-07-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
The man is clearly insane and evil.

I agree with that, but you or anyone else can't tell me that he doesn't use religion to spread his hate. And like it or not. The bible absolutely does say that being a gay man is an abomination punishable by death. Now tell me that's teaching love......

And Lebell, since you researched him a bit. I'm curious. In your opinion, what is the cause of his hate?

Lebell · 10-07-2003, 04:14 PM

From what I read, his father was a strict and somewhat harsh man, but no more than many fathers.

Relatives of Phelps back in Missourri don't understand exactly what has caused Fred to go off the deep end, but his two oldest sons recount that there father always had anger and hatred and now that his children are adults, Fred has switched from beating them to hating gays.

My own opinion so far is that there is real evil in the world, and Fred Phelps is one manifestation of it.

And I think you are right, Phelps uses religion to spread his hate, the same way some mean use women for sex and use children for profit.

Consider that local Topeka religious leaders regularly denounce Phelps or that Fred regularly attacks other churches and their members.

seretogis · 10-07-2003, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
I agree with that, but you or anyone else can't tell me that he doesn't use religion to spread his hate. And like it or not. The bible absolutely does say that being a gay man is an abomination punishable by death. Now tell me that's teaching love......

And Lebell, since you researched him a bit. I'm curious. In your opinion, what is the cause of his hate?

The Bible is a collection of writings of all sorts. One paragraph is hardly represenative of the entire work.

Ustwo · 10-07-2003, 05:46 PM

Why are you all talking about some wack-job?

This guy wants his 15 minutes of fame, and you are helping give it to him.

sixate · 10-07-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
The Bible is a collection of writings of all sorts. One paragraph is hardly represenative of the entire work.

So it's OK to gay bash if you only do it once?

Mael · 10-16-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by sixate
**Newsflash**
Religion = Hate

i half-heartedly agree with you. most religions in and of themselves are do not = hate. it's when you get asshats in charge who get their first taste of power and love it. and then they corrupt it. christianity has pretty much been corrupt for about 1500 or so years now. doesn't take long for many religions to get that way. but at their hearts, most religions aren't the problem.

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Originally posted by eple
Even though Moore is, as many of the posters here have pointed out, fat and a lying fat liar who lies and are fat. I believe him being fat and lying were also mentioned.

okay, i'm actually a michael moore fan. how truthful he really is or what kind of spin he puts on things, i think most can be open to some debate. but that's neither here nor there. this quote is one of the funniest things i've ever heard. thanks!

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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
As an atheist who used to say that religon caused more wars than anything else, i have to say this. ITs not true. Not even close. Look up every war in the history of the world, about 20 were over religon, the other 200 or so were other causes.
I still dont trust religion, but saying stuff that is not true doesnt help.

i think if you look at the history of wars, you'll actually find that most are from religion. before the last few hundred years, religion played a large role in pretty much every aspect of life. religion has been used as a banner under which many armies have fought. and today, they still do. religion was a reason for WWII. don't beleive me? well, hitler tried to exterminate the jews (that's a religous reason, he hated people of that religion) and other people whom he considered inferior. the crusades, the inquisition, the salem witch trials (not a war, but another religion run amuk kind of thing), the current arab vs. isreal, shit with the klan. think about all of the papal sponsored or supported wars throughout the history of christianity. there have been quite a few.

MSD · 10-16-2003, 07:04 AM

I think that in response to this kind of atrocity, what we have to do is stop pointing fingers as much and do wht we can to ensure that the children of the people who support this kind of thing are educated to be tolerant and are still able to maintain healthy religious beliefs.

Food Eater Lad · 10-16-2003, 09:55 AM

I stand by what i said, over two hundred wars were NOT caused by religion. PLease provide a list of religious wars and you will see that the vast majority of wars WERE not wars of religion.

Lebell · 10-16-2003, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Food Eater Lad
I stand by what i said, over two hundred wars were NOT caused by religion. PLease provide a list of religious wars and you will see that the vast majority of wars WERE not wars of religion.

Umm,

Chavos has already done it for you:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=30415

Arc101 · 10-16-2003, 10:24 AM

I'm actually surprised this guy is still able to walk around. I would have thought Matthew Shepard's family or friends would have taken this evil bastard out into a field somewhere quite to have a "chat" with him.

Food Eater Lad · 10-16-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
Umm,

Chavos has already done it for you:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=30415

Thanks I missed that.

debaser · 10-16-2003, 03:21 PM

Kidnap him, dress him in womens clothing, knock him out, and dump him in an alley in the Castro District of San Fran. Problem solved.

minyn · 10-16-2003, 06:56 PM

making mass and vicious assumptions like the ones made here are general suicide. no different then the basises for the wars people speak so adimantely about. dont stereotype. dont assume. learn all you can, its the only saving grace we have.

Yes religion has messed up. but it wasnt meant to be evil (coming from an agnostic it means something) but its used as leverage to do bad things in the name of good.

MrSmashy · 10-21-2003, 10:10 AM

Here is the most important question: Don't these people have jobs?

I mean, how do they have so much time to go around and hate? Shouldn't they be helping their kids, taking care of the poor or something else that Jesus actually espoused?

Nothing worse than assholes like these who take what they want from religion just so they can hate.

Food Eater Lad · 10-21-2003, 12:56 PM

Mabye other assholes send them money so they can hate full time.

10-07-2003, 04:14 PM	#51 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	From what I read, his father was a strict and somewhat harsh man, but no more than many fathers. Relatives of Phelps back in Missourri don't understand exactly what has caused Fred to go off the deep end, but his two oldest sons recount that there father always had anger and hatred and now that his children are adults, Fred has switched from beating them to hating gays. My own opinion so far is that there is real evil in the world, and Fred Phelps is one manifestation of it. And I think you are right, Phelps uses religion to spread his hate, the same way some mean use women for sex and use children for profit. Consider that local Topeka religious leaders regularly denounce Phelps or that Fred regularly attacks other churches and their members. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-07-2003, 05:46 PM	#53 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Why are you all talking about some wack-job? This guy wants his 15 minutes of fame, and you are helping give it to him. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-16-2003, 03:21 PM	#61 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	Kidnap him, dress him in womens clothing, knock him out, and dump him in an alley in the Castro District of San Fran. Problem solved. __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-16-2003, 06:56 PM	#62 (permalink)
minyn young and in bloom Location: under the bodhi tree.... bling	making mass and vicious assumptions like the ones made here are general suicide. no different then the basises for the wars people speak so adimantely about. dont stereotype. dont assume. learn all you can, its the only saving grace we have. Yes religion has messed up. but it wasnt meant to be evil (coming from an agnostic it means something) but its used as leverage to do bad things in the name of good. __________________ "Woke up this morning with a blue moon in my eye" ~A3 "woke up this morning" "Don't compromise yourself, you're all you've got." -Janis Joplin

10-06-2003, 10:56 PM	#41 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	holy derail batman.... plz return to bashing gay-haters, start a new thread if you want to discuss wether or not all religion is really hatred.

10-07-2003, 12:29 PM	#43 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	So....why has this man not yet been sodomized by big black YMCA-members?

10-07-2003, 02:59 PM	#47 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	Dude, his hatred for gays id not based upon religion. AS previoulsy stated, he hates gays begause he is the most self-hating closet-gay of all times.

10-16-2003, 07:04 AM	#56 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I think that in response to this kind of atrocity, what we have to do is stop pointing fingers as much and do wht we can to ensure that the children of the people who support this kind of thing are educated to be tolerant and are still able to maintain healthy religious beliefs.

10-16-2003, 09:55 AM	#57 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	I stand by what i said, over two hundred wars were NOT caused by religion. PLease provide a list of religious wars and you will see that the vast majority of wars WERE not wars of religion.

10-16-2003, 10:24 AM	#59 (permalink)
Arc101 Addict Location: Nottingham, England	I'm actually surprised this guy is still able to walk around. I would have thought Matthew Shepard's family or friends would have taken this evil bastard out into a field somewhere quite to have a "chat" with him.

10-21-2003, 10:10 AM	#63 (permalink)
MrSmashy Crazy Location: Soviet Canukistan	Here is the most important question: Don't these people have jobs? I mean, how do they have so much time to go around and hate? Shouldn't they be helping their kids, taking care of the poor or something else that Jesus actually espoused? Nothing worse than assholes like these who take what they want from religion just so they can hate.

10-21-2003, 12:56 PM	#64 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	Mabye other assholes send them money so they can hate full time.