Did the USA allow 3,000 prisoners to be massacred? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

HarmlessRabbit · 09-23-2003, 07:41 PM

Interesting article about the events leading up to the prison riot where CIA agent Mike Spahn was killed and John Lindh was injured.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/09/23_doran.html

too big to paste the whole thing but here's the first question:

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BUZZFLASH: There are several events leading up the massacre that our readers should understand before we get into the more troubling issues in your film. Can you give us some history and background in Afghanistan and how you got involved in making a documentary about this tragedy?

JAMIE DORAN: In early December of 2001, I was a news reporter covering the war, or the so-called war, in Afghanistan. In early December, I was at the opening of the Freedom Bridge or Friendship Bridge –- depending on whose interpretation -- between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan. This is a major event because the bridge had been closed for all those years during Taliban rule. And of course, that meant that all the various war lords sent their people to give themselves representation -- you know there’s a kind of territorial approach to everything that happens in Afghanistan.

Anyone who knows Afghanistan knows that the various ethnic groups don't exactly go out to dinner together. They would probably rather blow each other’s brains out. And what I heard from two different ethnic groups –- two different warlord soldiers -– was that American soldiers had been breaking the necks of Taliban prisoners. Now this obviously was, you know, of interest to me because I thought it needed some investigation. So I began my investigation, first of all, to try and find out was there any basis to it, and secondly, to actually employ a full-time researcher on the job to actually do the work, because I couldn't spend my whole time in Afghanistan. It ended up that I actually spent an enormous time there, but that was unexpected.

Let’s go through some of the background. 8,000 Taliban soldiers had given themselves up at the siege of Kunduz, when the Northern alliance surrounded the town and Taliban soldiers were effectively stuck inside. Then we know that about 470 soldiers decided not to surrender and had gone off on their own to fight a "last stand" near Mazar-I-Sharif – they were all killed in the battle.

The rest of the surrendered Taliban –- about 7,500 -- were sent to a prison at Kalai Janghi including John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban. Kalai Janghi was an old 19th century fortress that was now being used as a prison. At the Kalai Janghi prison of course the riots broke out.

almostaugust · 09-24-2003, 05:58 AM

Interesting dude.

JBX · 09-24-2003, 06:24 AM

There was a documentary on this on the Discovery channel. There were international reporters embeded at the prison. If the U.S. gave a fighter so much as a stern look it would of been reported. It was a series of errors that led up to the riot. As if this didn't tip you off that the reporter had an agenda:

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I was a news reporter covering the war, or the so-called war

2wolves · 09-24-2003, 06:42 AM

JBX,

Come on, we defeated the Flintstones. I believe that's what the reporter was referencing.

2Wolves

reconmike · 09-24-2003, 07:32 AM

Aren't they the same Flintstones that defeated the Soviet Union?

2wolves · 09-24-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by reconmike
Aren't they the same Flintstones that defeated the Soviet Union?

Hardly. Those Flintstones drove out the forces of the USSR with lots and lots and lots of help from the United States. We trained and equiped Bin Laden & company, remember? Stinger missles ring a bell? You don't pick those up at the Kabul Walmart.

Next.

2Wolves

Conclamo Ludus · 09-24-2003, 08:29 AM

I don't remember the episode of the Flinstones where they hid terrorists and blew up Buddhist statues. I wonder what Betty and Wilma would've looked like in Bhurkas.

prb · 09-24-2003, 09:12 AM

I see nothing in the article excerpt about 3,000 prisoners being killed. What you talkin' about?

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-24-2003, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by 2wolves
Hardly. Those Flintstones drove out the forces of the USSR with lots and lots and lots of help from the United States. We trained and equiped Bin Laden & company, remember? Stinger missles ring a bell? You don't pick those up at the Kabul Walmart.

Next.

2Wolves

We didn't train or equip shit... Pakistan did it for us

2wolves · 09-24-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
We didn't train or equip shit... Pakistan did it for us

I believe you should gather some facts before offering worthless opinion.

Here is a link to a very neo-con opinion piece authored for the Washington Times:

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...sen-01-06.html

I have hundreds more if you have the time for some historical enlightenment.

2Wolves

JSD · 09-24-2003, 07:07 PM

Who cares if the U.S. allowed 3,000 Taliban or foreign terrorist prisoners to be killed. That is 3,000 Islamic pieces of shit who won't kill you or me, unarmed citizens.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-24-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by 2wolves
I believe you should gather some facts before offering worthless opinion.

Here is a link to a very neo-con opinion piece authored for the Washington Times:

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...sen-01-06.html

I have hundreds more if you have the time for some historical enlightenment.

2Wolves

Did you read what I said??? I didn't refute the fact that we armed them. All I said was we didn't directly equip them, it was an Islamic fight and they would not accept aid from America directly. We funneled it through Pakistani Intelligence.

Zeld2.0 · 09-24-2003, 10:03 PM

Heh we funneled shit through to cover our own agent's asses down there. Of course, no one in the gov't is gonna admit it

Kinda like how we were never in Central America... oh wait til we got revealed.

2wolves · 09-25-2003, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Did you read what I said??? I didn't refute the fact that we armed them. All I said was we didn't directly equip them, it was an Islamic fight and they would not accept aid from America directly. We funneled it through Pakistani Intelligence.

http://www.miis.edu/docs/aphganpc.pdf

Do a search on the word 'overt.' Yes, the United States certainly did give direct military aid. At least a billion dollars.

2Wolves

2wolves · 09-25-2003, 04:51 AM

or

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubI...pub_detail.asp

2wolves · 09-25-2003, 04:53 AM

or

http://www.enki3d.com/paper/july_iss...eapons_war.htm

homerhop · 09-25-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by JSD
Who cares if the U.S. allowed 3,000 Taliban or foreign terrorist prisoners to be killed. That is 3,000 Islamic pieces of shit who won't kill you or me, unarmed citizens.

If the shoe was on the other foot and it was 3000 American we would never hear the end of it. It would be a national disaster

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-25-2003, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by homerhop
If the shoe was on the other foot and it was 3000 American we would never hear the end of it. It would be a national disaster

Well see the thing is 3000 Americans died because of assholes like the Taliban and Al Qeada.

homerhop · 09-25-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Well see the thing is 3000 Americans died because of assholes like the Taliban and Al Qeada.

Well I guess we could sit here all night and debate over the morals of right and wrong, I just dont find such comments as overly bright.

Xell101 · 09-25-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by homerhop
Well I guess we could sit here all night and debate over the morals of right and wrong, I just dont find such comments as overly bright.

Nor was your infantiley obvious statement as it did happen, and we haven't heard the end of it. Morality be damned any patriotic chum will agree, it would be better the enemy, the one who is out to kill you and destroy your beloved country should die before you do in conflict.

Zeld2.0 · 09-25-2003, 04:42 PM

"morality be damned any patriot chum will agree..."

personally i find that hilarious because guess which side always takes the moral high ground?

oh wait what moral high ground

09-24-2003, 05:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	Interesting dude. __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'

09-24-2003, 07:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	Aren't they the same Flintstones that defeated the Soviet Union? __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

09-24-2003, 08:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	I don't remember the episode of the Flinstones where they hid terrorists and blew up Buddhist statues. I wonder what Betty and Wilma would've looked like in Bhurkas. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

09-24-2003, 06:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	JBX, Come on, we defeated the Flintstones. I believe that's what the reporter was referencing. 2Wolves

09-24-2003, 09:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
prb Psycho	I see nothing in the article excerpt about 3,000 prisoners being killed. What you talkin' about?

09-24-2003, 07:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
JSD Upright	Who cares if the U.S. allowed 3,000 Taliban or foreign terrorist prisoners to be killed. That is 3,000 Islamic pieces of shit who won't kill you or me, unarmed citizens.

09-24-2003, 10:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Heh we funneled shit through to cover our own agent's asses down there. Of course, no one in the gov't is gonna admit it Kinda like how we were never in Central America... oh wait til we got revealed.

09-25-2003, 04:51 AM	#15 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	or http://www.aei.org/publications/pubI...pub_detail.asp

09-25-2003, 04:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	or http://www.enki3d.com/paper/july_iss...eapons_war.htm

09-25-2003, 04:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	"morality be damned any patriot chum will agree..." personally i find that hilarious because guess which side always takes the moral high ground? oh wait what moral high ground