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Phaenx · 09-21-2003, 11:28 AM

I heard an interesting theory about General Wesley Clark and the Clintons' involvement with his campaign the other day.

The theory was that the reasoning behind the Clintons touting Clark as a nominee was to spongue votes from the other Democrats in the race. Basically, they want Bush to win so there is no incumbant to run against Hillary in '08.

I don't know about that, but it wouldn't surprise me coming from those people. I'm inclined to believe it but I'll have to wait and see how he goes about running his campaign. If he starts doing things that seem fishy then I'll be with this theory 100%.

Anyways, do you believe this? If so, how do you feel about democrats hurting their own party in this fashion?

filtherton · 09-21-2003, 01:12 PM

I think the way things are going right now, bush is going to be more of a liability to the republicans in fall '04 than whoever they nominate in '08.

rogue49 · 09-21-2003, 02:09 PM

I think people put too much though into this shit.
Could it be as simple as they think Clark is a good choice.

People forget, the Clintons are still relatively young, in political terms.
Hillary still wants to commit to her vow to the voters of NY,
and in the meantime gain power & influence in the Senate.
They know that their names are still catalysts for the GOP hate,
and they probably want to let some time past.

They are putting their choice behind someone who they think has a chance of ousting GW,
and THAT would be the first step to gaining the Presidency.
Because doing so would be much easier taking over a Demo prez in 8 years,
rather than taking on a strengthened GOP pres in 4.

They are not stupid, they know what their names do,
it's VERY doubtful they would try for it now.
They are just gaining influence & power, time is on their side.

The_Dude · 09-21-2003, 02:11 PM

no, clinton is not a back stabber.

he's not gonna root for what's best for his wife over what's best for the nation (hehe!).

Stare At The Sun · 09-21-2003, 04:26 PM

Watch the movie "head of state" similar, yet not at all concept exists in that movie...just reminded me of it, thats all..

MuadDib · 09-21-2003, 04:58 PM

That's ridiculous. I think it's much more likely that the Clintons support Gen. Clark because his politics are extremely similar, he was an acting general during Clinton's Kosovo war, and because he's a more natural frontliner than any other of the candidates. That latter point is important because if they back a winner then that builds great political capital. It also makes the democratic party a Clinton party. First, he is elected then reelected and then they carry then next democrat into the White House after for 4 years of the most republican rule the US has seen in living memory. It would be the Clintons saving the day again! Does anyone really think that Hilary would get denied by the party after that in 4 years or 8?

sixate · 09-21-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
no, clinton is not a back stabber.

he's not gonna root for what's best for his wife over what's best for the nation (hehe!).

He is a back-stabber, he'll root for what's best for his cock over everything/everybody else.

MuadDib · 09-21-2003, 05:45 PM

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He is a back-stabber, he'll root for what's best for his cock over everything/everybody else.

1) AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! When will it ever end?!

2) I can only imagine what this boards must've been like during the last 2 yrs of Clinton (if it was around that is)

sixate · 09-21-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by MuadDib
1) AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! When will it ever end?!

2) I can only imagine what this boards must've been like during the last 2 yrs of Clinton (if it was around that is)

I didn't see you prove me wrong.

Ace_of_Lobster · 09-21-2003, 08:22 PM

I dont think you will get far with that theory.

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-21-2003, 08:31 PM

I disagree, its pretty solid. If anyone actually thinks Hillary ISN'T doing any of this for her own political gain they are horribly naive.

Zeld2.0 · 09-21-2003, 09:50 PM

i dunno why people argue over this when all politics is *IS* backstabbing

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-21-2003, 09:55 PM

Politics is evil, yet strangely it makes the world go round'.

SkanK0r · 09-21-2003, 09:58 PM

Wait, I thought that was money?

Or was it fat-bottomed girls...?

Mojo_PeiPei · 09-21-2003, 10:00 PM

Money is acquired through politics, which leads to fat-bottomed girls???

Ace_of_Lobster · 09-23-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
I disagree, its pretty solid.

In that case, I have a lot of things I am selling.

09-21-2003, 11:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Clinton vs. Democratic party I heard an interesting theory about General Wesley Clark and the Clintons' involvement with his campaign the other day. The theory was that the reasoning behind the Clintons touting Clark as a nominee was to spongue votes from the other Democrats in the race. Basically, they want Bush to win so there is no incumbant to run against Hillary in '08. I don't know about that, but it wouldn't surprise me coming from those people. I'm inclined to believe it but I'll have to wait and see how he goes about running his campaign. If he starts doing things that seem fishy then I'll be with this theory 100%. Anyways, do you believe this? If so, how do you feel about democrats hurting their own party in this fashion? __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

09-21-2003, 02:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	no, clinton is not a back stabber. he's not gonna root for what's best for his wife over what's best for the nation (hehe!). __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

09-21-2003, 04:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
MuadDib Psycho	That's ridiculous. I think it's much more likely that the Clintons support Gen. Clark because his politics are extremely similar, he was an acting general during Clinton's Kosovo war, and because he's a more natural frontliner than any other of the candidates. That latter point is important because if they back a winner then that builds great political capital. It also makes the democratic party a Clinton party. First, he is elected then reelected and then they carry then next democrat into the White House after for 4 years of the most republican rule the US has seen in living memory. It would be the Clintons saving the day again! Does anyone really think that Hilary would get denied by the party after that in 4 years or 8? __________________ "The courts that first rode the warhorse of virtual representation into battle on the res judicata front invested their steed with near-magical properties." ~27 F.3d 751

09-21-2003, 08:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ace_of_Lobster Crazy	I dont think you will get far with that theory. __________________ "Hundreds of men must have told you how beautiful you are. Would you displease the gods to hear it once more? I wouldn't. Im young and I hope to see a god before I die." -Patera Silk

09-21-2003, 08:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	I disagree, its pretty solid. If anyone actually thinks Hillary ISN'T doing any of this for her own political gain they are horribly naive. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-21-2003, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I think the way things are going right now, bush is going to be more of a liability to the republicans in fall '04 than whoever they nominate in '08.

09-21-2003, 02:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	I think people put too much though into this shit. Could it be as simple as they think Clark is a good choice. People forget, the Clintons are still relatively young, in political terms. Hillary still wants to commit to her vow to the voters of NY, and in the meantime gain power & influence in the Senate. They know that their names are still catalysts for the GOP hate, and they probably want to let some time past. They are putting their choice behind someone who they think has a chance of ousting GW, and THAT would be the first step to gaining the Presidency. Because doing so would be much easier taking over a Demo prez in 8 years, rather than taking on a strengthened GOP pres in 4. They are not stupid, they know what their names do, it's VERY doubtful they would try for it now. They are just gaining influence & power, time is on their side.

09-21-2003, 04:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	Watch the movie "head of state" similar, yet not at all concept exists in that movie...just reminded me of it, thats all..

09-21-2003, 09:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	i dunno why people argue over this when all politics is IS backstabbing

09-21-2003, 09:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Politics is evil, yet strangely it makes the world go round'. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

09-21-2003, 09:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
SkanK0r Crazy	Wait, I thought that was money? Or was it fat-bottomed girls...?

09-21-2003, 10:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Money is acquired through politics, which leads to fat-bottomed girls??? __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.