stan the man

check this out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2976995.stm

it seems j edger hoover missed out on all the fun

how can the us justify finger printing nationals from only five countries how the hell will this help fight terrorism

dont you think if someone really wanted to fuck with the us they would just enter the country with false id form a naiton not on the terror list

come on how stupid do they think terrorist are

this just sounds like a make work project how much will they spend on this program who many peolpe will it take to keep the system going

maximusveritas

Rather than fighting terrorism, things like this do the exact opposite.

The_Dude

yes, this has put kids in jail cuz ins has made mistakes.

i've read about children being held cuz ins had not yet processed their forms and such stuff that ins is known for.


ashcroft is bent up on raping civil liberties.

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crewsor

Its not only those five countrys. If you read the article you will see that is the deadline for the last of the people who are required to be screened. There have been about 130,000 people from other nations previously screened. Most of the Sep. 11 hijackers entered the country exactly the same way, on legal visas. It would be idiotic not to attempt to screen people visiting this country from places known to breed terrorism. If they are here doing what they are supposed to be doing they should have no worries about interviews.

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Im very concerned about privacy issues, but I think this aids in the fight against terrorism. Of the ones arrested it never states why. I only skimmed the article and will look more into this. I think the war isolated America (IMO IMO IMO) from a majority of the world. So Im tempted to think that countries which once aided the US in fighting terrorism; by arresting such in they're countries, might not be so eager to clamp down on suspects. Satellites are great, the CIA has large ears, but US intelligence cant be everywhere, and I think that some collateral cooperation has been destroyed. With that in mind and the fact that we dont use the military like so many other countires do; and protect the borders, such steps as whats happening here are needed. I feel safer knowing they're obtaining this info. If the government has my social, my pictrue, and probably more info than I think they do on me; someone born here, then why not someone from countries where a common theme is against America?

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stan the man

so by that notion you would have no problem if the govenrment came to your house or your work draged you out on your heals in front of your neighbours and peers

because you have nothing to hide you would be willing to sit in on an interogation wage and dignity lost

crewsor

What does that have to do with these peoples circumstances. They were all asked to voluntarily report for interviews. No one was dragging them anywhere unless they didn't comply. Why make it out to be this terrible ordeal, when all they were asked to do was submit to some questions and fingerprints? Better that than being deported. They are not citizens. After 9-11 it wouldn't have bothered me if we sealed the borders and deported all non citizens.

stan the man

do you think draging someone in unless they comply with a voluntary order is really a ture voluntary offer

and you say these's people arent US citizens so why does it matter i ask you this would your ancestors agree to be interogated when they came to the United Sates

how long has your family been us citizens

Reese

I have to use this as my sig...

Just because someone isn't a citizen doesn't mean they don't diserve equal rights. When your ancestors came over from england or wherever to seek the freedom that they deserved and they were turned away at the border because they looked like someone who could possibly cause trouble? If history has taught us anything it should be to not judge people based on what they look like or where they come from.

crewsor

Close enough.


Sure. Why not? Nothing to hide, Nothing to fear.

Don't know why that matters, but at least 4 or 5 generations.

crewsor

I disagree, we were attacked by people from other countries who fit a certain profile. Why would you not want to examine others with the same profile? So their feeling are not hurt. I'm sorry but preventing another Sep 11 is more important than someones feelings or inconvenience.

stan the man

i ask because im sure we can find some reason your ancestors should be interogated

crewsor

Sorry, they are all dead, but you can ask them whatever you like.

Phaenx

Like that time a few Irish guys hijacked a buggy and flew it into Ye Olde Pub in downtown New York. They totally interrogated all the immigrants coming in off of the ships, and a lot of them went home to starve to death and live in their own shit, that showed those racial profiling bastards.

Why the hell would an immigrant care about being interrogated when they entered America back then? Answering questions isn't very hard unless you're hiding something, sheesh.

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KillerYoda

Was this before or after we kicked the Native Americans off their land?

As far as fingerprinting, big fucking surprise. They get your thumbprint, picture, and social security when you get your driver's license. We're only a few steps away from our Orwellian barcodes.

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SaltPork

Umm, I mostly want to focus on your last sentence....You do realize that there used to be segregation based on both race and ethnicity, right? And that it happened right here in the US? And the government wasn't real keen on changing things until the 1960's? Did you know that?

So history has taught us something. Treating people differently because of skin color or country of origin is wrong. I fully agree with that. The situation is a difficult one, I admit, and it may actually backfire. The people that they are going to have to worry about aren't going to set a bomb and leave, they're going to strap explosives to their chests and blow themselves up, so this "exercise" is simply being done to ease the minds of the ignorant masses.

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stan the man

wrkime you hit the nail on the head

you sir are an intelligent american and will raise intelligent americans you give me hope for your country

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Reese

Wrkime, I think we are in agreement. I was talking about the racial profiling in the United States. We have been working to stop segregation for years, and I thought we were starting to make progress, but I am starting to think I am wrong. We aren't making progress, We just got familiar with the minorities, once some new unfamiliar face pops up we are segregated again.

KillerYoda, I think my point still stands. We made these laws to govern ourselves and to stop from making mistakes of the pasted.

Of course, Thats just my opinion. I could be wrong.

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KillerYoda

I'll give you that, just for the Dennis Miller ender.

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