Experiment. Please participate, it's fun.
 

I'm interested to see if there is any corelation between IQ and political beliefs. Whilst I realise that statistics collected from a self-selecting sample will be skewed, and that questionnaire-type tests are considered a little dubious, this was the best way I could think of to collect the data.

Take this test http://www.politicalcompass.org/ and give your results as cartesian coordinates...

...then give your IQ: If you don't already know it, you can take a test here: http://www.emode.com/tests/uiq/

My results are:

(-6, -4) and 129

When I've got enough results, I'll plot some graphs and try to work out how to post them.

Thanks for participating

(-3, -1.49) 159

IQ Test using e-mode....

jesus christ, it's 6 in the AM, i've been drinking and smoking up the ENTIRE NIGHT, i think i should have done a few more hits when I was in high school...maybe would have gotten a better gpa.


on second thought, these tests (iq especially) are just a bunch of bs where they try and flatter you into buying some sort of "intelligence profile", feels good anyways though.

Re: Experiment. Please participate, it's fun.
 

I do the same thing sometimes; but when I remember I do a search before creating a thread to see if its been done so the same thing doesnt keep going over and over. This one has been done a few times. Here's the last one

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...itical+compass

You can always go to it after a search and post something and it will push it back up.

Just a suggestion. :D :D

Thanks Sun Tzu, but the important difference here is that I want to know how people's IQ relates to their political views

And Im a prime example of why you would want to do it; my bad.

(2.88, -2.21) 163

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21
e-mode IQ: 139

I think you'd find a better correlation with income than IQ, though.
People's political leanings are always towards what's good for <i>them</i> personally.

(-5.25,-5.33) and 133

Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -8.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

IQ:
158

We have an awful lot of "geniuses" here, or just people who take oddball tests. 140 is considered genius (I scored a mere 136 on the emode test). 150+ is just unheard of. If you could tell us which tests yielded that result, that would be great. If you scored that high on the emode test, that's wonderful. I'd like to see your answers. :)

Although we won't believe everything we read online, http://www.wilderdom.com/personality...tandingIQ.html has some information about iq distribution. They fall in a bell curve by design, since 100 is the median iq score.

http://www.us.mensa.org/news_media/newsroom/052903.php has a short faq on them.

(Not to open the whole IQ debate or anything, but I didn't think IQ tests could measure to 160 accurately.)

So me:

IQ: 136
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95

One click left, 3 or 4 libertarian. (-1,-4) Sounds about right to me.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15

As for the IQ test, I've seen very off results from those given by true testing agencies, therefore I didn't take it.

IQ: 132

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

I.Q. 129 to 157, depending on which online test you prefer, emode or one i took years ago whose name i don't remember

-7.62,-7.03

I.Q. is 142......Of course you can deduct the 10 points I'm adding on for the anonymous board members that I'll never meet, but trying desperately to impress with my big .....I.Q.....:)

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

Well, they lumped me in with Gandhi so they can't be all bad....:)

What an ego stroke.....down there with Gandhi....

Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

IQ: 148 (real, not that stupid website)

(0.62, -0.10)
IQ: 149

..though I consider myself a Libertarian, and some of the questions were worded in what I feel is a way biased to generate certain emotional responses :P

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97
129 but im stoned
Facts Curator

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67
140 last time I checked with a real IQ test.

Can we get a summary of the "findings" when there have been enough replies? If you really wanted to find out what people with high IQs think, you should go to a Mensa meeting (although we seem to have one going right here atm).

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90
(so 1.88,-3.90)

IQ: 131 (low, compared to the rest of you)

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
IQ: 126

And I am apparently a Word Warrior, according to Emode, which I know is bullshit since my verbal skills are actually pretty poor.

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.49
IQ: around 130 (checked about a month or so ago)

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

137

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90
IQ: 135

(-2.50, -4.10) 135

I think that the type of person that would participate in Mensa meetings would not visit this board. :)

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46
IQ 138

Economic Left/Right: -3
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1
IQ 131

Hate Bush. Love porn.

-8.00, -8.21, 189 (Recent Stanford-Benet Test administered last year)

I'm surprised to see such a centrist-liberal leaning. I would have thought that we'd have more of a spread across the spectrum.

edit: High IQ doesn't mean I can spell right on the first try.

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79
Same spot as the Dalai Lama


Congratulations, Darkblack!
Your IQ score is 136
...we can tell your Intellectual Type is a Visionary Philosopher!


So what does this mean?

So, everyone in this place rates as "very superior" to "genius" in the IQ department. 189!?! You should be appointed supreme ruler with "them thar kinds of smarts..."

Ok, my results are -2.38, +1.13 and the IQ is...... oh lets say.... 211. There, now I'm smarter than all of you.

I scored 129 on the online IQ test. Not bad in a foreign language, I suppose.
The other test didn't make much sense for me, living in an other country, but I vote left if that's enough...

Oh, and I'm a 'precision processor'. Sounds cool! but does anybody know what this means???

Actually most of the people that post on this board are very smart. Why don't you take the test, be honest, and post your score. If you don't want to do that then do not participate.

I have always thought I was very smart. I do well at everything I do. After coming to this board and talking with these guys about politics, philosophy, religion, scientific theory, etc, I have found that most of the people here are smarter than I am. I like that because I learn things and see different points of view on topics. Yeah some of these scores might be raised so people can look smart but I think most of them are honest and true.

I've taken them before online. I usually get somewhere between 127 and 134 which ranks me in the top 97% of the population. I just don't think I'm that smart and therefore think that the IQ tests, for the most part, give a false number to make the "testee" feel good about themselves.

-1.5, 1.28

IQ=131 (or 473, if you go by some of the scores posted above)

I think you're being a little unfair on yourself there. Most people are in the top 97%, you're probably in the top 3% :D. Although the emode test cannot have a very high accuracy (about twenty questions measuring on a scale of about two hundred points gives an accuracy that can't be much better than nearest ten points) I tried going through answering every question wrongly and got 72 points, almost the inverse of my 129 points that I got trying to answer everything correctly.

Bear in mind that anyone with a sub 50 IQ probably can't read or write, so anyone with a sub 100 IQ is likely to struggle enough with the whole deal that they'd give it up as a bad game. Also, because of people's prejudices anyone with a low IQ is unlikely to want to post it, but probably wouldn't lie about it. Not that I need to explain any of this to anybody on this thread;)

-2.50, -5.79, IQ of 148, tested many times over the years......

score: 4.21 right, -1.74 down; IQ - was told a range in upper 130's to low 140's many years ago.

Comments: I'm in the lower right quadrant where no noted national leader is, but the author "I would like to read" is Ayn Rand. I could have told you this prior to taking the test. Arnold Schwarzenegger also would fall into this category, I bet, and he is the only national political figure to my knowledge that would do so. I also happen to think that those in this quadrant have the most intellectually honest philosophy. (Simply put: I don't want the government taking my stuff, because I can do very well for myself, thank you, and I expect you to take care of yourself too. I don't care what you want to do, so long as I don't get in trouble for doing what I want to do either. Just leave everyone alone unless they try to hurt someone else.)

This political spectrum test does not take into account very well that I want the government to protect me from other governments or people who would try to do harm to me or my fellow citizens, perhaps foriegn policy viewpoints would require a third dimension to truly measure one's political philosophy.

The liberal Democrats listed with a spot near mine on a chart elswhere on the site is I think a reference to that party in Great Britain, not in America, because I don't think liberal American Democrats are economically conservative, and the site uses British spellings elswhere.

I too question the many high IQs listed above. I learned on another thread that I could be in Mensa, based on previous standardized tests, and it seems that I would be on the low end of the scale in this forum. Maybe the online tests are not as accurate as tests given by a single administrator to one test taker at a time. Maybe only those with high IQs are willing to post them. Then again, IQ is short for Intelligence Quotient, and the quotient is a ratio of age to mental ability. Maybe my mental ability hasn't kept up with my age!

So which one is the Stupid Party and which one is the Smarty Party? I can't do the math, so y'all know where I stand. :D

Well, for shits and giggles, I took the online test, and got a 135, which falls right in the range of what I was told long ago, therefore maybe the online test is fairly accurate, and I'm just not as smart as all the other people here!

I finally took the emode.com test and scored a 138. I guess I'm just a pessimist but I still think the numbers are really high. If my IQ came back, say around 90, I'd be much less likely to want to purchase my test results and analysis then if it came back really high so I still see the results as a sales tool than an accurate number.

-2.38, +1.13 for the politicalcompass site was surprising. I've always seen myself as far right conservative without the religion and come to find out, I'm more left than right.

Interesting all around...

Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.90
IQ: 140

haha you guys are all funny you realize that even 120 is far above average. You don't have to embelish THAT much.

-2.62, -2.26 IQ 127

edit: I did not use blasphemous emode to get my iq, it was taken when I was being Diagnosed with A.D.D.

-6.38 -3.54 IQ 133

(-.38, -1.59) 138 IQ (real test)

I disagree with this assessment of my political leanings. I'd say I'm actually a bit further to the right than I am to the left. This score puts me in the neighborhood of Jacques Chirac and there's very little chance of that.

The last time i did an IQ test, which was around several months ago, i got ~160.


Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97

Economic Left/Right: 1.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08
IQ: 133

IQ- 138 on emode, 151 when tested back in grade school (so it should of dropped, 138 is prob right)

Position- -1, -1.44

As far as the I.Q. test goes, I tried it out a dozen times, putting in different answers for those questions that were open-ended but kept coming back with similar scores. I also changed my demographic info (age, sex, etc) with no variance. Most of the questions were like the type I faced in Junior High IQ and aptitude tests, not nearly as challenging as the type of tests I saw in Psych 101 at University. Conclusion: this IQ test is highly skewed to lure the user into paying the fees, not a scientific tool at all. No surprise, so if you scored really, really high, go smoke a spliff or go back to eating your nachos while you watch the Simpson's. It ain't real folks.

For the survey, however: IQ=137, Pol= -3.75,-0.87

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31
I was near Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and The Dalai Lama.

Your IQ score is 135
Weak dude.

I don't mean to burst your bubble Loki, but an IQ of 160 ranks you as a "Genius". Would Albert Einstein be putting in some spare time here at TFP if he was still alive and not working on something to improve the lot of mankind in general?

Now that would be truly interesting to see what he would post for comments! Maybe something like E=mc2 where E=erection, m=the size of her mammaries and c= the size of my cock before it became excited by the hooters on that babe.

Economic Left/ Right: -4.72
libertarian/ Authoritarian: -9.48

Your IQ score is 131.

And english is not my native language, if you're taking this parameter into account.

Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79


IQ from years ago 145

I agree that is a skewed IQ test. Bogus at best.

-7.00, -8.26

IQ 156 (Mensa test a few years ago, also got exactly the same score on stanford-binet (Edit: I think) many years ago)

Cool idea, but pointless unless people are honnest. I rather doubt you will see many people putting an IQ of less then 120 reguardless of score.

I'm friends with the guy who owns the emode website, I'll have to ask him where he got his test from next time I see him. My wife took it a few weeks ago and said it reminded her of the Mensa test.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.97

As a side note I score in the 98.8% of the population on IQ, though I'm not going to take the time for the emode test right now.

Very interesting survey.

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62
IQ: Somewhere between 130 and 140, I'd rather go to sleep than take an IQ test.

Economic Left/Right: 5.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03

IQ: 156


Your can't form any sensible statistic based on 100 results. Add to that the fact that TFP does not represent the general public, and this experiment is worthless.
Also, it looks like almost everybody here is a dirty commie ;)

Hmmm from statistics I always thought the magic sample number was 30 to start to make some predictions. That assumes a random sample of course which this isn't.

And yes they are filthy dirty commies, but I have a feeling most are quite young and haven't tried to get ahead on their own yet :D

Anyone who ever tried to start a small business or the like, very quickly changes their tune. Of course once you REALLY make it and have the millions in the bank you can go back to liberal again since it makes you feel better and no matter how much they tax you, your lifestyle doesn't change :rolleyes:

Four Fingers, you are correct about the statistical and demographic flaws of conducting such a study based on results of a web-forum where mainly males of industrialized countries (have to have both a computer and unfettered internet access) looking at boobies congregate. There is no scientific validity to it at all but it's my guess that the person who started the string hypothesizes that higher levels of intelligence are linked to more "liberal" social values. Am I right?

One thing is certain, there are a lot of liberal and socialist empathics who seem to contribute to this discussion. I would expect this of people who smoke pot and like to look at nude ladies (does Rush Limbaugh frequent this forum? Hmm, perhaps he does now that we know the truth about him).

An interesting read:

Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

My IQ is an actual, tested 140.

I agree with a previous poster, the political compass test had questions that seemed to try to evoke an emotional response.

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

Emode: 187

You will all be most amused, I'm sure, when I tell you that I haven't been to the titty board here quite yet. Of course, I haven't had much time to do so, but this is all beside the point. I agree that the scientific validity of this very informal survey is limited, but I dont' suspect that the thread starter wanted to get written up in SciAm or some psychiatry journal. It would still be interesting to get a thumbnail sketch of how the participants on this board shake out. In that vein, and without further ado:

(-7.75, -4.87)

IQ = 152 as derived from GRE results, 142 as derived from testing as a child to find out why I didn't pay attention in class. :D

that would be "don't." *smack!*

By the way, MuadDib, we must be related! I hope you're not sitting with your back to a door...

I agree with whoever it was that said this isn't a terribly representative sample, but here goes...

Political compass:
Economic left/right: -6.5
Libertarian/authoritarian: -7.13
woot! I'm in good company with Gandhi and the Dalai Lama!

IQ:
Emode: 138 (seems about right - Stanford Binet at age 13 was 142, SAT and GRE scores extrapolate to between 141 and 152 - close enough for government work, considering that mostly what's being measured is the ability to take standardized tests.)

I finally had a moment or two to take these tests...

Economic Left/Right: 5.62
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.46
IQ as 134, never took one before, so can't compare.

Those questions could really trip you up if weren't paying attention.

I don't know how to do correlational analyses, and I think they are generally suspect anyhow, but here are some simple data about the responses so far:

Mean IQ (taking out anything above 160):
139

Either people are fudging their scores high, or the test is completely invalid, or respondents are self-selecting for high IQs, or we represent a highly skewed sample, or all of the above.

Mean political compass response:
Economic Left/Right: -2.71
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.25

And just for shits and giggles, here's a scatter plot of our positions on the political compass:

http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/htt...calscatter.gif

We are a bunch of dirty commies! ;) (Actually, I object to labeling that side of the axis "communist" - it's a politically loaded term and I'm sure most of us don't align with the actual values of communism per se.)

Anybody with some stats background care to take a stab at some more sophisticated analyses?

I did this on v3 - I'll do it again just to add some more weight to the right side of things...

+1.25 -.38 152

Don't have any idea how any of this comes together.

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
emode IQ: 135

my IQ score in high school was 135. my guidance counselor left me in the office with my folder, so yes, i peaked! and i also took another online IQ test a year or 2 ago, which i also got a 135 on. so... i'm no genius, but i am consistant & not retarded despite what my mom always told me. hahah ;)

this is a curious idea here tho & interesting to see that -most- tfpers are falling onto the left side of the graph.

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

IQ 131 (online test)
Maybe I should have figured out that scrambled-word one instead of just guessing. Hmm.

Maybe this should be polled to ensure people with lower scores will also put them forward. Probably hard to do with so few poll options, though.

(+5,+3)
Economic Left/Right: 5.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.44

no interest in the IQ test, sorry.

Could you be more condescending?

I know many, many small business owners who continue to hold very liberal ideas about society caring for everyone, not just for those lucky enough to have enough money to take care of everything themselves (or those children lucky enough to have parents with enough money).

I also know many older people who have "tried to get ahead on their own" and done quite well at it, thanks, and have maintained leftist economic ideals.

Sweeping generalization and "pat pat" condescension do very little to further the cause of mutual political understanding. But perhaps you are more interested in feeling superior than in people understanding each other's sincerely held political views?

I would have a lot more understanding if some politicians would quit giving away the money I work very hard for in order to buy votes.

And I stand by my statements, I dont' think many of you have tried to run your own bussiness and had to pay quarterly taxes and the like.

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Sir Winston Churchill)

And this only happens on the liberal - sorry, "commie" - side of the spectrum. Um...yeah.

My husband runs a business. My mother ran her own business. Liberals both. Ben & Jerry. Working Assets.

Very pithy. In the face of Winston Churchill, arbiter of all wisdom, I must recant my wicked liberal ways and bow to the conservative altar, lest I be thought brainless (having just turned 31) by the wise and all-knowing ustwo.

Thanks, UsTwo. I was looking for that Churchill quote- I still find it apropos as I close in on 40. I maintain that the political measurement is biased and what's with all these sub-genius IQ scores being reported? If these scores were all true everyone here would be a doctor, lawyer or engineer and would be too busy with our jobs to contribute to this silly little time waster (the tests, not the TFP or the people involved with it- don't flame me). Hey, I could be wrong, after all, I only scored 138 on the e-test. ;)

Economic Left/Right: -12.32
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.32

IQ: 194

I didn't care to take the political thingie test or an IQ test, so I just posted some random numbers, probably like all the other geniuses here.

Guess what I am? :D

But of my more conservative friends I am the biggest time waster in the group. My father told me something that I think is a truism several years ago, it went something like this. "Some people read books all the time, and like you to know how smart they are, but they never DO anything with their lives."

I find that with a lot of arm chair liberals. They want you to know how smart they are, how much they have read, quote other peoples thoughts, but they themselves have really done nothing important.

I believe some folks have made their opinions known without the need to keep repeating them here.

Officially, continuing that would have to be considered hijacking this thread - which is not about the merits of one side or another.

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

IQ: 133 (although that's likely to decline after I take a couple more emode tests...)

Cheers Lurkette, I was just about to make a post saying what a cretin I am as I can't work out how to post the plots I've made of the data. If you could tell me how you did it, I can post my plots of IQ vs each of the other data. It's a bit tricky cos the data are skewed, but there is some kind of trend.

Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.95

IQ: 130


IQ tests seem to only test your book smarts. IQ means little in the real world.

Hey JH. I just used Excel - selected the data, chose a scatter graph, and gave it min and max values for the X and Y axes. I'm afraid that exhausted my statistical capabilities ;) Anything you can add will be greatly appreciated.

I didn't do much other than plotting a scatter, but I couldn't work out how to put my graphs into a post, so I was just wondering how you did it.

I took a screen shot of the graph and pasted it into an image editing program, cropped it and saved it as a jpg.

I tried to be as wacky liberal/anarchist as I could and got
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

I wonder which ones I didn't get on the libertarian/authortarian side. :(

you so crazy Utswo :p

well here goes; 129-IQ 3.5-l/r 2.8-pol.

Thanks for putting up with my lack of intelligence

-3.88 and 1.85 just beside Gandhi and what is this IQ that you talk of ??

Since the Political compass gives historical names as reference points, I have provided a URL where one can match up the IQ scores with famous people:

http://home8.swipnet.se/~w-80790/Index.htm

(1.38,-1.18) 144

IQ 143
L/R 4.62
Lib/Auth -0.41

I guess I am the right wing nut ball here, sorry to skew the curve, though with all the hi iqs here, I guess I prove the theory.

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90
IQ: 144

(-4.50,-5.54) IQ: 139

IQ: 136
Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

Btw if people are still interested: I could do a multi-variate regression analysis, check for IQ/compass corelations and see how statistically significant they are with the statistical software package SPSS.

would appreciate it if you could. I was just going to do a coupla sucky scatter graphs, but I couldn't even manage that.

Its nice to know that the TFP has such a concentration of geniuses and near geniuses.

All brought together, for their love of boobies.

Ok, I'll post the results later this week :)

(-3.50, -4.92) & 183 baby yeah.
Edit: High IQ, but I can prove it, I think. Also, IQ doesnt mean much, what about formal education?

Here are the results of the analysis:

-Means

IQ: mean = 140.65, standard deviation = 12.94 (with N = 57)
Economic Left/Right: mean = -2.31, standard deviation = 3.88 (with N = 59)
Libertarian/Authoritarian: mean = -3.15, standard deviation = 3.12 (with N = 59)


-Correlations (2 tailed pearson correlation)

IQ vs. Economic Left/Right = 0.022, statistical significanse: p = 0.873
-> absolutely no correlation, any correlation that exist is purely due to chance
IQ vs Libertarian/Authoritarian = - 0.129, statistical significanse: p = 0.339
-> very small negative correlation, however the correlation that exist is purely due to chance
Economic Left/Right vs Libertarian/Authoritarian = 0.598, statistical significance: p < 0.01
-> strong correlation, fact that this correlation exist is very unlikely to be due to chance

Simply put:

- IQ has nothing whatsoever to do with ones political affiliation (at least not with the people who have participated on this thread).

- There's a strong relationship between ones political views regarding economics and Liberty/Authority - the more to the right one is on economical issues, the more one believes in tight authority structures.

-> oh well whatever, never mind :p