Affluent British 15-year-old girls twice as prone to anxiety and depression as poor - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

HarmlessRabbit · 08-24-2003, 11:04 AM

Interesting article. Apparently money can't buy happiness after all. I'm unsure if I agree with his leap at the end to "capitalism is to blame", but the author does make some interesting points. I have a feeling teenage girls are pretty messed-up in any culture or economic system, however.

http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/49...ver_james.html

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Here’s a really weird fact: affluent British 15-year-old girls are now twice as prone to anxiety and depression as their poorer neighbors. These girls have every possible advantage. They do much better at school than boys. Hard-won freedoms denied to their mothers and grandmothers mean they have much more money to spend and choice about how to use their time. If any group is feeling pretty chipper about life under American-style advanced capitalism, it should be them.

Yet they are increasingly miserable. Whereas in 1987 only six percent suffered from a serious mental illness, now it’s 18 percent. The cause of this derangement is the same as the one that has led to a dramatic rise in mental illness since 1950 throughout the developed world and especially in America. It’s a pathological attack of Keeping Up With The Joneses, an obsessive and envious comparing of what you own and who you are, of never being satisfied with yourself or what you’ve got.

In the case of the affluent teenage girls (but not poor ones or boys), between 1987 and 1999 their worries about school performance and their weight soared. Their anxieties perfectly matched a dramatic leap in their exam results and ever-greater pressures to look like Kate Moss or Posh Spice. Increased demands from parents, teachers and the media led to an epidemic of maladjusted comparing of themselves with other girls’ looks and academic success.

Comparing to other people is a part of the human condition. If we want to be better at something, we naturally look toward people who have already achieved what we aspire to. Equally, if we want to cheer ourselves up, we gain succor from observing less accomplished performers than ourselves.

When looking for ways to improve my golf, for instance, I compare myself with my friend Paul, who is much better than me. But when comparing upwards you have to be careful. To avoid feeling hopelessly outclassed, I must put Paul’s excellence in context by saying things to myself like, “he’s been playing for years” and “he practices all the time.” This is known as “discounting.” Without it, I would not be able to learn from watching Paul without falling into despair.

On the other hand, when I play with my friend Hugo, who is useless, it’s important that I allow my superiority to nourish my self-confidence (this will help in the hard times when I’m playing Paul). If I were depressed, I would be liable to say to myself, “I beat Hugo, but he’d probably win if he only practiced a bit more and had a few lessons.” I would discount the fact that he is worse than me and gain no benefit to my self-esteem. Instead, I just enjoy being better.

American advanced capitalism has ruthlessly exploited our comparison instinct. More than that, it encourages grossly pathological ways of comparing, both upward and downward.

We are under continuous pressure from a very young age to compare ourselves with incredibly talented, beautiful and ultimately unreal people, all without discounting. Television and magazines give us the illusion that these stars are people just like us.

As a result, affluent 15-year-old girls are liable to say in all seriousness that they hope to be as successful as Madonna or Posh Spice, directly comparing themselves and apparently oblivious to the extreme improbability of it ever happening. Feeling they almost know these women and encouraged by song lyrics and autobiographies that promise “you too can be anyone you want to be,” the girls make no discount for what has made the stars stand out.

In Madonna’s case, for instance, she is a Machiavellian workaholic who has used money and status to compensate for a terribly disturbed early childhood. As for Posh, she obsessively craves attention and was willing to do anything to be famous. Without these pathologies, a normal girl is unlikely to be prepared to go through the awful distortions necessary to achieve stardom.

Equally destructive is the fact that, when these increasingly perfectionist girls read their usually excellent exam results, or look at their pretty faces and nubile bodies in the mirror, they fail utterly to enjoy what they see. Instead, they look at others who are better than them in some minute regard (“better at math,” “bigger boobs,” “more friends”), and feel like failures. Worst of all, when they hear of others who have done worse or see girls less pretty, they shrug it off, discounting the evidence that all their work has not been in vain: their best is never good enough.

Compared with 1950, and with accelerating speed, a “grass is greener” mentality has been made a part of ourselves. Studies of lottery winners show that they soon readjust their sights and begin to long for what they do not have. They may now have a Merc and a Porsche, a large home and no need to work – but if only they could afford the yacht, the mansion, the helicopter….

Likewise, enormously wealthy people simply raise the standards of what they expect, so that even if they stay in the top hotels, drive the most opulent cars and so on, they will always feel there is a better one elsewhere. They are constantly infuriated by the smallest sign that what they have is less than the best.

Continual economic growth is only possible if needs are constantly diversifying to create new markets. There is a necessity for ever more diverse needs so that ever more specific products can be devised to meet them. Advanced capitalism maintains itself by fostering spurious individualism, pressuring us to define ourselves through our purchases, with ever more precisely marketed products that create a fetishistic concern to have “this” rather than “that,” even when there is no significant practical or aesthetic difference. It profits from the dissatisfaction and rage that are engendered by unreal social comparisons, encouraging us to fill the consequent psychic void with material goods and drugs of solace (alcohol, illegal drugs, food, nicotine).

Money can even be made from restoring the chemical imbalance in our brains that results from these overheated ambitions and false identities, selling pills and therapeutic services to the damaged and subordinated. Capitalism does very nicely at both ends. It creates misery, and it cures it. Our inner lives foot the bill.

Oliver James is a clinical psychologist and author of They F**k You Up (Bloomsbury, 2002).

Nizzle · 08-24-2003, 12:00 PM

One thing I would question is any conclusion based on this statistic: "in 1987 only six percent suffered from a serious mental illness, now it’s 18 percent." That is 16 years. I believe the mental health profession has refined its definition of mental illness and clinical depression to include a lot of conditions we previously did not credit as such.

He makes a lot of interesting points, though; particularly about basing ones self-esteem by comparing up/down the perceived social ladder. While I don't think doing doing this is anything new, I can see how the direction our society is taking could amplify this effect.

Kadath · 08-24-2003, 01:03 PM

Having been diagnosed with those two conditions myself, I offer to the rich British girls the words of Mr. John Bender: B-O-O-H-O-O. Everybody's down and anxious these days. It's commonly referred to as "The human condition."
Just kidding, folks.

The_Dude · 08-24-2003, 04:01 PM

$ is the root of all evil

JBX · 08-24-2003, 04:02 PM

Well, lets give them a dose of poverty, you know to cheer'em up a bit.

Lebell · 08-24-2003, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
$ is the root of all evil

Small, but important correction to your quote:

The love of money is the root of all evil.

The_Dude · 08-24-2003, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lebell
Small, but important correction to your quote:

The love of money is the root of all evil.

thanks

Macheath · 08-27-2003, 08:22 AM

The main worry I have is that is indicates that depression and other mental illness simply isn't being diagnosed properly in poor areas. What are you going to tell some girl in a council estate in London who self harms? "Oh don't worry, you're poor - you're expected to be "unhappy" - now move along."

It's not about "rich" or "poor" anyway - social cohesion is the key.

GarthInPittsburgh · 08-27-2003, 10:16 AM

As long as they're not bitching about being rich...

seretogis · 08-27-2003, 01:07 PM

Money makes people depressed. We obviously need to ban it in order to keep it out of the hands of our children.

08-24-2003, 12:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	One thing I would question is any conclusion based on this statistic: "in 1987 only six percent suffered from a serious mental illness, now it’s 18 percent." That is 16 years. I believe the mental health profession has refined its definition of mental illness and clinical depression to include a lot of conditions we previously did not credit as such. He makes a lot of interesting points, though; particularly about basing ones self-esteem by comparing up/down the perceived social ladder. While I don't think doing doing this is anything new, I can see how the direction our society is taking could amplify this effect. __________________ Nizzle Last edited by Nizzle; 08-24-2003 at 01:45 PM..

08-24-2003, 01:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Having been diagnosed with those two conditions myself, I offer to the rich British girls the words of Mr. John Bender: B-O-O-H-O-O. Everybody's down and anxious these days. It's commonly referred to as "The human condition." Just kidding, folks. __________________ it's quiet in here

08-24-2003, 04:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	$ is the root of all evil __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

08-24-2003, 04:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	Well, lets give them a dose of poverty, you know to cheer'em up a bit. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

08-27-2003, 10:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
GarthInPittsburgh Crazy	As long as they're not bitching about being rich... __________________ i was going to call 911, but I was downloading a file

08-27-2003, 08:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
Macheath Junkie Location: Sydney, Australia	The main worry I have is that is indicates that depression and other mental illness simply isn't being diagnosed properly in poor areas. What are you going to tell some girl in a council estate in London who self harms? "Oh don't worry, you're poor - you're expected to be "unhappy" - now move along." It's not about "rich" or "poor" anyway - social cohesion is the key.

08-27-2003, 01:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Money makes people depressed. We obviously need to ban it in order to keep it out of the hands of our children. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames