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2wolves · 08-15-2003, 04:58 AM

The guy in Washington sitting in the president's chair rules out terrorism as the cause of the massive blackout. He says he DOES NOT know the cause of the blackout. So, since he doesn't know the cause, how can he rule out terrorism?

Silly me.

2Wolves

123dsa · 08-15-2003, 06:02 AM

Good point. Did you see our fearless leader's speach last night? I always get the sinking feeling that I'm way more intelligent than him everytime I see him speak

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j8ear · 08-15-2003, 06:15 AM

I understand how it would be possible to not know exactly what happen yet still know quite definatively that terrorism it wasn't.

Not that I disagree with the illogicalness of much of what the prez says or often question his intellectual prowess

-b

mml · 08-15-2003, 08:05 AM

I much as I like to bag on "W", and as pathetic as his logic and general "off the cuff" speaking is, I think he felt he had to say something like this - really, every politican was saying it. They were just trying to reassure everyone that everything was going to be o.k. It's just what politicans are supposed to do.

Nizzle · 08-15-2003, 08:49 AM

Bush is worried about his rapidly declining popularity vote. By mentioning that it wasn't terrorism, he brings this enemy back into people's minds, with the implicit suggestion that he is doing a great job of preventing it. Sad. This tactic of stimulating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the people of America is driving this country into the ground. I hope more people realize this before the next election.

The_Dude · 08-15-2003, 09:19 AM

that speech was pathetic. he was pausing every second looking for words to continue. i guess this is what happens when gwb has to give an impromptu speech.

BigGov · 08-15-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Nizzle
Bush is worried about his rapidly declining popularity vote. By mentioning that it wasn't terrorism, he brings this enemy back into people's minds, with the implicit suggestion that he is doing a great job of preventing it. Sad. This tactic of stimulating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the people of America is driving this country into the ground. I hope more people realize this before the next election.

And he couldn't POSSIBLY be saying that because EVERYONE in the media was either asking or speculating it could possibly be a terrorist act.

The whole nation sure is feeling all of that subliminal fear though. A malfunction in the electrical system and look out there are terrorists right around the corner!

Xell101 · 08-15-2003, 02:00 PM

Just because you can determine a purple elephant did it doesn't that a Street Mime working for the Unibomber did it.

prosequence · 08-15-2003, 02:46 PM

It is illogical, they still don't know, so they can't rule it out. Lying to the public to ressure them is ah....not new.
Just hope it wasn't done by someone in the US, he may decide to bomb the area.
thought.....(what if Suddam and Osama are hiding out in California, will he apply the same logic and bomb it?)

2wolves · 08-15-2003, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by Xell101
Just because you can determine a purple elephant did it doesn't that a Street Mime working for the Unibomber did it.

Unless the street mime was a purple elephant who was working for the Unibomber. Then it's logical and true. Nes pas?

2Wolves

stan the man · 08-16-2003, 10:02 AM

i get a great kick out of the fact that The US blames Canada and the Canadian government blames The US

but still both sides have no clue what the cause is

Nefir · 08-16-2003, 10:41 AM

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Bush is worried about his rapidly declining popularity vote. By mentioning that it wasn't terrorism, he brings this enemy back into people's minds, with the implicit suggestion that he is doing a great job of preventing it. Sad. This tactic of stimulating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the people of America is driving this country into the ground. I hope more people realize this before the next election.

Oh come on, all he said is that its not terrorism, and all of a sudden he's stimulating fear, uncertainly, and doubt? I think you are digging way too deep into the meaning of his words. Like previous posters have said, he's just reassuring people that things will be ok - you know, because people are frightful animals, and a mob of frightful animals is downright dangerous.

Bush is definitely not the brightest bulb on the chandelier, but all these conspiracy theories are just silly. I'm not voting for him, because he's a sub-intelligent oil-man whose interests don't coincide with mine, not because he's the evil manipulative genius you seem to make him out to be

TheKak · 08-16-2003, 11:21 AM

You dont know what your soft drink is made out of, so should you be worried that its made out of piss every time you buy one? (yeah you can read the ingredients, but you dont REALLY know for sure)

Phaenx · 08-16-2003, 11:28 AM

Bleh, I really wish politicians would take the opportunity to FIX THE PROBLEM rather then take the initiative to make the other party look bad.

Xell101 · 08-16-2003, 12:29 PM

They are too busy making themselves look like gold by making the other guy look like shit. The liberal left are quite profecient at this. The media isn't helping any.

evo626 · 08-16-2003, 04:30 PM

I guess they ruled out terrorism because there were no obvious signs of it, it there were then they would try to cover up the idea that terrorist could cause that kind of damage.
Just my .02$
evo

Stiltzkin · 08-16-2003, 09:32 PM

I... have nothing intelligent to say and I posted by accident (yeah, weird huh)

Sorry

Phaenx · 08-16-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by evo626
I guess they ruled out terrorism because there were no obvious signs of it, it there were then they would try to cover up the idea that terrorist could cause that kind of damage.
Just my .02$
evo

Wouldn't that be useless seeing as the terrorists already know what they did?

prosequence · 08-17-2003, 05:42 PM

terrorism- to fill with terror, the act of using intimidation to coerce a community or government (Concise Oxford dictionary)

If you go for the first meaning then it was terrorism, for some...
Doen't really mean there was a terrorist involved, just the fact that there may have been a group of people in "terror" or fear during the ordeal....
Which if you wanna have some fun, we can say Canada or the US (depending on the source of the outage) is a terrorist nation...
OR to be more specific, the power campany at the source... which will be no surprise to most people. Actually I have always felt that the power company are nothing but a bunch of terrorists (joke) ... especially when I'm waiting for my monthly bill.

08-15-2003, 04:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	An exercise in logic The guy in Washington sitting in the president's chair rules out terrorism as the cause of the massive blackout. He says he DOES NOT know the cause of the blackout. So, since he doesn't know the cause, how can he rule out terrorism? Silly me. 2Wolves

08-15-2003, 06:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	I understand how it would be possible to not know exactly what happen yet still know quite definatively that terrorism it wasn't. Not that I disagree with the illogicalness of much of what the prez says or often question his intellectual prowess -b __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

08-15-2003, 08:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	I much as I like to bag on "W", and as pathetic as his logic and general "off the cuff" speaking is, I think he felt he had to say something like this - really, every politican was saying it. They were just trying to reassure everyone that everything was going to be o.k. It's just what politicans are supposed to do. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

08-15-2003, 08:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	Bush is worried about his rapidly declining popularity vote. By mentioning that it wasn't terrorism, he brings this enemy back into people's minds, with the implicit suggestion that he is doing a great job of preventing it. Sad. This tactic of stimulating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the people of America is driving this country into the ground. I hope more people realize this before the next election. __________________ Nizzle

08-15-2003, 09:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	that speech was pathetic. he was pausing every second looking for words to continue. i guess this is what happens when gwb has to give an impromptu speech. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

08-15-2003, 06:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
123dsa Crazy Location: KY	Good point. Did you see our fearless leader's speach last night? I always get the sinking feeling that I'm way more intelligent than him everytime I see him speak .

08-15-2003, 02:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	Just because you can determine a purple elephant did it doesn't that a Street Mime working for the Unibomber did it.

08-15-2003, 02:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	It is illogical, they still don't know, so they can't rule it out. Lying to the public to ressure them is ah....not new. Just hope it wasn't done by someone in the US, he may decide to bomb the area. thought.....(what if Suddam and Osama are hiding out in California, will he apply the same logic and bomb it?) __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...

08-16-2003, 10:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
stan the man Insane	i get a great kick out of the fact that The US blames Canada and the Canadian government blames The US but still both sides have no clue what the cause is __________________ long live the hud

08-16-2003, 11:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheKak Insane Location: Virginia	You dont know what your soft drink is made out of, so should you be worried that its made out of piss every time you buy one? (yeah you can read the ingredients, but you dont REALLY know for sure) __________________ Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm a schizophrenic and so am I.

08-16-2003, 11:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Bleh, I really wish politicians would take the opportunity to FIX THE PROBLEM rather then take the initiative to make the other party look bad. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

08-16-2003, 12:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	They are too busy making themselves look like gold by making the other guy look like shit. The liberal left are quite profecient at this. The media isn't helping any.

08-16-2003, 04:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
evo626 Upright	I guess they ruled out terrorism because there were no obvious signs of it, it there were then they would try to cover up the idea that terrorist could cause that kind of damage. Just my .02$ evo

08-16-2003, 09:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stiltzkin Junkie	I... have nothing intelligent to say and I posted by accident (yeah, weird huh) Sorry __________________ The most important thing in this world is love.

08-17-2003, 05:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	terrorism- to fill with terror, the act of using intimidation to coerce a community or government (Concise Oxford dictionary) If you go for the first meaning then it was terrorism, for some... Doen't really mean there was a terrorist involved, just the fact that there may have been a group of people in "terror" or fear during the ordeal.... Which if you wanna have some fun, we can say Canada or the US (depending on the source of the outage) is a terrorist nation... OR to be more specific, the power campany at the source... which will be no surprise to most people. Actually I have always felt that the power company are nothing but a bunch of terrorists (joke) ... especially when I'm waiting for my monthly bill. __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...