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This vexes me. I am terribly vexed.
Location: Grantville, Pa
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Bush should know better than this.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...168/4s8z4.html
![]() President Bush signs American flags for workers at Beaver Aerospace and Defense after speaking about jobs and economic growth in Livonia, Michigan, Thursday, July 23, 2003. President Bush, in campaign-style speeches in states vital to his re-election, sought Thursday to make sure voters give him credit for rebates heading to millions of taxpayers this week. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak) THAT is REALLY bad. Quote:
That is for the legality of it. This is an actual american law that our President broke. |
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Getting it.
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Location: Lion City
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Someone should be having a field day with this...
Personally I don't put that much value in a symbol...
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My future is coming on
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Location: east of the sun and west of the moon
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Meh. Hard to beat the pretzel incident.
This is a bit stupid, but really, how many of those little plastic flags are going to end up on the floor after the speech anyhow? Sad that we've relegated our flag to decoration/souvenir status.
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The Northern Ward
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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WHAT!? IMPEACH HIM!
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The Northern Ward
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Sure is. I'm waiting for one of the democratic (I no longer capitalize that word, suck it) presidential nominees to bring it up, they've slammed him for dumber things.
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"I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy |
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The GrandDaddy of them all!
Location: Austin, TX
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hold on...........who was making all the fuss about the flag flying on the learning center??
now that your great leader has tarnished it, you got no prob?
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Location: Columbus, Ohio
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The intentions here are completely different, The_Dude. The people in Oregon want to take the flag down because they hate America, Bush is signing flags because he was asked to first of all, and second because he didn't know it was against the flags etiquette. It's easy to call him stupid now that we know it's against the law, but how many of you knew that law before this article? Chances are unless you were in the boyscouts or something you didn't, I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on these forums knew how to properly put a US flag on a wall, or crossed with another flag.
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Location: Los Angeles
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Its hypocrisy eveyrone posting here - don't know why either side is trying to make a big deal. On the other hand people really need towatch what they defend and shrug off because it really does piss me off to see how easily people are going to bend jsut because soemone else does it.
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Location: Somewhere in Ohio
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The GrandDaddy of them all!
Location: Austin, TX
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burning a flag is freedom of expression, a sign of protest with something.
but signing it ?? btw, i really dont care about this topic, just arguing for the case of arguing and it's fun.
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Location: Somewhere in Ohio
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Burning a flag is an expression all right. It shows that you hate America and what it stands for and that you have ZERO respect for all the people who died so you can live free in the greatest country on the planet. |
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Location: My foot up your ass behind you.
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Those people that signed the World Trade Center Flag are in violation too? Here's a cup of shut the fuck up people....
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The GrandDaddy of them all!
Location: Austin, TX
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personally, i wouldnt burn a flag. i just dont see no point in doing so. it's just a piece of cloth.
but, if somebody wants to do that, i can see why they would. i guess it's whose eyes u are lookin thru. in your eyes it means a lot. maybe in the eyes of the flag burners, it doesnt.
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Location: My foot up your ass behind you.
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Sixate.. Personally I agree with you on the same stance.. But when it comes to destroying my flag that I own on my property.. They have no right to do that and it disrespect everything..
Then again when it comes to retire the flag.. We burn it.. For them burning the flag.. It's only giving the flag the honorable way out rather than throwing it in the garbage ![]() |
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Location: Camazotz
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Way to fucking derail the point and cover up for your fearless leader, like always. Bush defiled the flag by writing on it same as a hater might by wiping his ass with it. You respect that flag 100% or not at all. How hard is it to treat the flag according to the set rules? You don't write on it, wear it in clothing except as a patch, fly it in the dark (unless illuminated) or in the rain, fly it in a state of disrepair, or burn it(expect when retiring a flag no longer in condition fit to display). That, or you do whatever you want. Myself, I'll go for 100%. I don't fly the flag, don't wear it, don't defile it. I like consistency in behavior. So if you want to talk about respect for the flag, sixate, hold your leader to the appropriate fucking standard, okay? Don't do a bait and switch with flag burning. Bush fucked up. Admit it, and we can move the fuck on.
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Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth
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Yes, it's dumb. But it's exactly the sort of cheap-shot, photo-op punditry that liberals have been on the receiving end of for several years now. Personally, I find it mildly amusing, but no more than that. Besides, if we're gonna impeach George II, we might as well do it for a good reason, not something simple like signing a flag, or getting blown in the Oval Office.
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Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth
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Another question: did you, by any chance, serve?
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Location: Camazotz
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And "you're" means "you are," "your" means "your." And, because I've wanted to say this ever since I ran into you: That big, loud and bald guy sure plays some real hardball. ![]()
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I think its funny how anything a politician does is put under a magnifying glass... these people are just that PEOPLE... they make mistakes and have faults just like any other human being... if someone like say Bono from U2 signed the flag would anyone be making a big deal about it?
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Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Yes.
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Location: Somewhere in Ohio
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I'll tell you why I'm "so eager to forcibly displace people by means of highly energetic reduction-oxidation reactions". Because I love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by my big badass country. We need to show the entire Middle East, who all support terrorists, that we won't take any shit. They fuck around and they die. As far as I'm concerned we didn't kill enough. If I was running the show there wouldn't be a living person in the entire Middle East. Bush is still a moron. I doubt that he even made the call on it. Lastly, what the hell does me servinving anything have to do with my opinion? |
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Location: Somewhere in Ohio
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Location: Los Angeles
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Its great having patriotism but then again most americans don't know what the difference between nationalism and patriotism is (hell some don't even know what nationalism is) so I guess I can't blame 'em - but it does really irk me that most use flag waving for the wrong things. |
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Eh?
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
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*sigh* where is that "who fucking cares" picture when you need it.
Personally, i do find it ironic that he was signing the flag, little/dinky or not, still its defacing it. And i gotta agree with the_dude, buring a flag is a freedom of expression, its basically the same as burning the consitution to protest something(symbolizing we dont care about it) or whatever, but, still bush is quite the dumbfuck. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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*Me - who WAS a boyscout but never actually saluted the American flag (figure it out)* |
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Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth
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Sixate:
I have one question to ask. Is this, in fact, your honest opinion? Quote:
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Location: Sweden
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Yeah, he should know better. Somebody might run that through a spell checker.
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Location: Pennsytuckia
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I love how people are still Clinton bashing. Every time a republican does something they only argument you get is well Clinton did this, Clinton did that. It makes me laugh. Clinton lied to try and not lose his wife. Most men would do the same. Was it wrong? Yes but not as bad you all make it out to be...so drop it. It is over, over by more than 2 years. Find a new argument.
Now about the subject at hand. I am sure we all agree that this is a pretty stupid thing to make a fuss over. Writing on the flag really isn't that big of a deal. The one thing that pisses me off about most people is that they cannot think about things from the other person’s position. If this was Clinton writing on a flag, you would be in an uproar about how unpatriotic he is and how he should be removed from office for it. So remember that when your defending Bush. I really don't think it is a big deal. Yes, I knew the law about the flag. I think that was part of 4th grade American History. I understand though, he was being a celebrity and signing flags for fans. He wasn't thinking about laws at them time. Not a big deal. He has done worse. |
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