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Superbelt · 07-25-2003, 09:28 AM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...168/4s8z4.html

President Bush signs American flags for workers at Beaver Aerospace and Defense after speaking about jobs and economic growth in Livonia, Michigan, Thursday, July 23, 2003. President Bush, in campaign-style speeches in states vital to his re-election, sought Thursday to make sure voters give him credit for rebates heading to millions of taxpayers this week. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

THAT is REALLY bad.

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The following flag laws and regulations are contained in the Public Law as amended July 7, 1976 by the 94th Congress of the United States. They set forth the existing rules, customs and etiquette pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America.

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(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any l mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture or drawing of any nature.

www.maraz.com/usa/flaglaw.htm

That is for the legality of it. This is an actual american law that our President broke.

Charlatan · 07-25-2003, 09:33 AM

Someone should be having a field day with this...

Personally I don't put that much value in a symbol...

ninety09 · 07-25-2003, 09:37 AM

stupid law.
stupider Bush.

lurkette · 07-25-2003, 09:43 AM

Meh. Hard to beat the pretzel incident.

This is a bit stupid, but really, how many of those little plastic flags are going to end up on the floor after the speech anyhow? Sad that we've relegated our flag to decoration/souvenir status.

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by ninety09
stupid law.
stupider Bush.

agree

Darkblack · 07-25-2003, 11:44 AM

That would be a federal law...wouldn't it?

Phaenx · 07-25-2003, 12:34 PM

WHAT!? IMPEACH HIM!

sixate · 07-25-2003, 12:53 PM

All the libs are gonna make a big deal about this, but they all ignored the fact that Clinton straight up lied to them and played them all as stupid fools. Gimme a break. This is just dumb.

Phaenx · 07-25-2003, 12:55 PM

Sure is. I'm waiting for one of the democratic (I no longer capitalize that word, suck it) presidential nominees to bring it up, they've slammed him for dumber things.

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 01:11 PM

hold on...........who was making all the fuss about the flag flying on the learning center??

now that your great leader has tarnished it, you got no prob?

Phaenx · 07-25-2003, 03:19 PM

The intentions here are completely different, The_Dude. The people in Oregon want to take the flag down because they hate America, Bush is signing flags because he was asked to first of all, and second because he didn't know it was against the flags etiquette. It's easy to call him stupid now that we know it's against the law, but how many of you knew that law before this article? Chances are unless you were in the boyscouts or something you didn't, I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on these forums knew how to properly put a US flag on a wall, or crossed with another flag.

Zeld2.0 · 07-25-2003, 04:30 PM

Its hypocrisy eveyrone posting here - don't know why either side is trying to make a big deal. On the other hand people really need towatch what they defend and shrug off because it really does piss me off to see how easily people are going to bend jsut because soemone else does it.

Ace_of_Lobster · 07-25-2003, 07:45 PM

Thats a pretty dinky flag he is writing on there.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
The intentions here are completely different, The_Dude. The people in Oregon want to take the flag down because they hate America, Bush is signing flags because he was asked to first of all, and second because he didn't know it was against the flags etiquette. It's easy to call him stupid now that we know it's against the law, but how many of you knew that law before this article? Chances are unless you were in the boyscouts or something you didn't, I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on these forums knew how to properly put a US flag on a wall, or crossed with another flag.

Exactly. And who the hell woulda thought signing a flag would be illegal when burning one isn't!! America haters who burn our flag should be locked up for life with no chance of parole.

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 08:43 PM

burning a flag is freedom of expression, a sign of protest with something.

but signing it ??

btw, i really dont care about this topic, just arguing for the case of arguing and it's fun.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
burning a flag is freedom of expression, a sign of protest with something.

Burning a flag is freedom of expression? Bullfuckingshit. Expression of what?

Burning a flag is an expression all right. It shows that you hate America and what it stands for and that you have ZERO respect for all the people who died so you can live free in the greatest country on the planet.

ViriiK · 07-25-2003, 08:56 PM

Those people that signed the World Trade Center Flag are in violation too? Here's a cup of shut the fuck up people....

Burning the flag for hate against America is okay with me for all I care.

Why? It cost them money for them and more money for us. Surely you thought of that did you?

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Burning a flag is freedom of expression? Bullfuckingshit. Expression of what?

Burning a flag is an expression all right. It shows that you hate America and what it stands for and that you have ZERO respect for all the people who died so you can live free in the greatest country on the planet.

it's not a sign of hate for the entire nation, just a specific part of it.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
it's not a sign of hate for the entire nation, just a specific part of it.

As usual, I disagree with you 100%. Burning the flag is disrespecting every aspect of America, not just a specific part. The flag is a symbol of freedom which has been made possible by all the people who have died in defending and building this country. If someone hates a specific part of the country then go ahead and protest, but if you burn the flag then you're an America hating asshole who has no respect for the country you live in and the people who built it, and you should be punished. Yes, our country is free, but people should show respect. What the hell ever happened to patriotism?

The_Dude · 07-25-2003, 09:15 PM

personally, i wouldnt burn a flag. i just dont see no point in doing so. it's just a piece of cloth.

but, if somebody wants to do that, i can see why they would. i guess it's whose eyes u are lookin thru. in your eyes it means a lot. maybe in the eyes of the flag burners, it doesnt.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 09:20 PM

The people who burn it know what it stands for and the fact that they disrespect that is bullshit. I can't see any reason to ever burn the flag. As far as I'm concerned, they're dickheads that abuse their freedom.

ViriiK · 07-25-2003, 09:57 PM

Sixate.. Personally I agree with you on the same stance.. But when it comes to destroying my flag that I own on my property.. They have no right to do that and it disrespect everything..

Then again when it comes to retire the flag.. We burn it.. For them burning the flag.. It's only giving the flag the honorable way out rather than throwing it in the garbage

Kadath · 07-25-2003, 10:00 PM

Way to fucking derail the point and cover up for your fearless leader, like always. Bush defiled the flag by writing on it same as a hater might by wiping his ass with it. You respect that flag 100% or not at all. How hard is it to treat the flag according to the set rules? You don't write on it, wear it in clothing except as a patch, fly it in the dark (unless illuminated) or in the rain, fly it in a state of disrepair, or burn it(expect when retiring a flag no longer in condition fit to display). That, or you do whatever you want. Myself, I'll go for 100%. I don't fly the flag, don't wear it, don't defile it. I like consistency in behavior. So if you want to talk about respect for the flag, sixate, hold your leader to the appropriate fucking standard, okay? Don't do a bait and switch with flag burning. Bush fucked up. Admit it, and we can move the fuck on.

sixate · 07-25-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kadath
So if you want to talk about respect for the flag, sixate, hold your leader to the appropriate fucking standard, okay? Don't do a bait and switch with flag burning. Bush fucked up. Admit it, and we can move the fuck on.

Since I didn't comment on him signing the flag I now will for you. He was a fucking moron for doing it. Period. I just simply brought up a point about how Clinton lied his ass off to people and they didn't give a shit and now these same people want to bash Bush over this.... I just find it to be dumb. Did you have a problem with you're fearless leader (Clinton) lying to you? I bet you didn't. If Clinton did this nobody would've said a word and if Bush did what Clinton did he woulda been out of office in 2 weeks. I just get annoyed how they are both treated differently. You can't deny that they aren't. If you must know I think that Bush is a complete idiot. He never did a single thing that I approved of until he started to drop bombs. You may think I'm a republican, but I'll never call myself one. My political views are very conservative (obvious), but in general I hate all politicians. They're all a bunch of liars, but I think the libs lie more.

GunslingerCold · 07-25-2003, 11:51 PM

I just want to say I agree with sixate 100% and he said it better than I could. Even though he is a little harsh on Bush, Clinton and all politicians really.

The_Dude · 07-26-2003, 01:39 PM

wait a sec....why are we dragging clinton into this?

that poor man was miles away!

ctembreull · 07-26-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
All the libs are gonna make a big deal about this, but they all ignored the fact that Clinton straight up lied to them and played them all as stupid fools. Gimme a break. This is just dumb.

Yep, Clinton lied. That rat bastard. He got a hummer and didn't even tell us all about it. Oh dear. Whereas several hundred American deaths are the result of a series of Bush lies - not spin, not mistakes, lies - spread out over the last couple of years.

Yes, it's dumb. But it's exactly the sort of cheap-shot, photo-op punditry that liberals have been on the receiving end of for several years now. Personally, I find it mildly amusing, but no more than that. Besides, if we're gonna impeach George II, we might as well do it for a good reason, not something simple like signing a flag, or getting blown in the Oval Office.

ctembreull · 07-26-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Since I didn't comment on him signing the flag I now will for you.

Waitasec, isn't that what started the thread? Is that how this works, anything bad about Bush and all of a sudden you start in about Clinton? That's not exactly logical, now, is it?

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...If you must know I think that Bush is a complete idiot. He never did a single thing that I approved of until he started to drop bombs.

I'd be interested to know just why you're so eager to forcibly displace people by means of highly energetic reduction-oxidation reactions. Just what is it that makes you say that Bush did everything wrong UNTIL he started spreading body parts across a significant portion of the Middle East?

Another question: did you, by any chance, serve?

Kadath · 07-26-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Since I didn't comment on him signing the flag I now will for you. He was a fucking moron for doing it. Period. I just simply brought up a point about how Clinton lied his ass off to people and they didn't give a shit and now these same people want to bash Bush over this.... I just find it to be dumb. Did you have a problem with you're fearless leader (Clinton) lying to you? I bet you didn't. If Clinton did this nobody would've said a word and if Bush did what Clinton did he woulda been out of office in 2 weeks. I just get annoyed how they are both treated differently. You can't deny that they aren't. If you must know I think that Bush is a complete idiot. He never did a single thing that I approved of until he started to drop bombs. You may think I'm a republican, but I'll never call myself one. My political views are very conservative (obvious), but in general I hate all politicians. They're all a bunch of liars, but I think the libs lie more.

My main concern here is the tendency to shout "No, look over here, Clinton was a liar back when he was in office" every time Bush is criticized on the board. I dislike that you assume I supported Clinton for lying, but I really don't see how it's at all pertinent to Bush signing a flag.
And "you're" means "you are," "your" means "your."
And, because I've wanted to say this ever since I ran into you: That big, loud and bald guy sure plays some real hardball.

DocTrevena · 07-26-2003, 03:39 PM

I think its funny how anything a politician does is put under a magnifying glass... these people are just that PEOPLE... they make mistakes and have faults just like any other human being... if someone like say Bono from U2 signed the flag would anyone be making a big deal about it?

Phaenx · 07-26-2003, 07:53 PM

sixate · 07-26-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
Waitasec, isn't that what started the thread? Is that how this works, anything bad about Bush and all of a sudden you start in about Clinton? That's not exactly logical, now, is it?

I'd be interested to know just why you're so eager to forcibly displace people by means of highly energetic reduction-oxidation reactions. Just what is it that makes you say that Bush did everything wrong UNTIL he started spreading body parts across a significant portion of the Middle East?

Another question: did you, by any chance, serve?

First, I've already said a few times that I was just pointing out how Bush and Clinton are treated differently. If the shoes were reversed then this fucking flag signing shit wouldn't be an issue and we both know it.

I'll tell you why I'm "so eager to forcibly displace people by means of highly energetic reduction-oxidation reactions". Because I love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by my big badass country. We need to show the entire Middle East, who all support terrorists, that we won't take any shit. They fuck around and they die. As far as I'm concerned we didn't kill enough. If I was running the show there wouldn't be a living person in the entire Middle East. Bush is still a moron. I doubt that he even made the call on it.

Lastly, what the hell does me servinving anything have to do with my opinion?

sixate · 07-26-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kadath
And "you're" means "you are," "your" means "your."

Hehe. Trust me I know the difference. It was late as hell and I was tired, much like I am now. So if you see any retarded spelling mistakes try to ignore them.

Good to see you have a sense of humor among all the arguing.

Zeld2.0 · 07-26-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
What the hell ever happened to patriotism?

Well I had to respond to that saying because quite honestly IMO really more than half of the people out there waving the flag aren't patriots but just people really high up in nationalism.

Its great having patriotism but then again most americans don't know what the difference between nationalism and patriotism is (hell some don't even know what nationalism is) so I guess I can't blame 'em - but it does really irk me that most use flag waving for the wrong things.

Stare At The Sun · 07-26-2003, 09:56 PM

*sigh* where is that "who fucking cares" picture when you need it.

Personally, i do find it ironic that he was signing the flag, little/dinky or not, still its defacing it.

And i gotta agree with the_dude, buring a flag is a freedom of expression, its basically the same as burning the consitution to protest something(symbolizing we dont care about it) or whatever, but, still bush is quite the dumbfuck.

Macheath · 07-27-2003, 02:33 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
It's easy to call him stupid now that we know it's against the law, but how many of you knew that law before this article? Chances are unless you were in the boyscouts or something you didn't, I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on these forums knew how to properly put a US flag on a wall, or crossed with another flag.

Why would a boyscout be expected to know something like this when an former Texas Air National Guard airman didn't?

*Me - who WAS a boyscout but never actually saluted the American flag (figure it out)*

ctembreull · 07-27-2003, 09:24 AM

Sixate:

I have one question to ask.

Is this, in fact, your honest opinion?

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Because I love to see weak ass ignorant dumb uneducated countries get blown to bits by my big badass country.

Serious question, yes-or-no answer.

thedrake · 07-27-2003, 10:44 AM

Well would you rather see him write something on a flag or hear him talk: tough one.

Nad Adam · 07-28-2003, 06:45 AM

Yeah, he should know better. Somebody might run that through a spell checker.

Darkblack · 07-28-2003, 07:12 AM

I love how people are still Clinton bashing. Every time a republican does something they only argument you get is well Clinton did this, Clinton did that. It makes me laugh. Clinton lied to try and not lose his wife. Most men would do the same. Was it wrong? Yes but not as bad you all make it out to be...so drop it. It is over, over by more than 2 years. Find a new argument.

Now about the subject at hand. I am sure we all agree that this is a pretty stupid thing to make a fuss over. Writing on the flag really isn't that big of a deal. The one thing that pisses me off about most people is that they cannot think about things from the other person’s position. If this was Clinton writing on a flag, you would be in an uproar about how unpatriotic he is and how he should be removed from office for it. So remember that when your defending Bush.

I really don't think it is a big deal. Yes, I knew the law about the flag. I think that was part of 4th grade American History. I understand though, he was being a celebrity and signing flags for fans. He wasn't thinking about laws at them time. Not a big deal. He has done worse.

07-25-2003, 09:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Someone should be having a field day with this... Personally I don't put that much value in a symbol... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

07-25-2003, 09:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	Meh. Hard to beat the pretzel incident. This is a bit stupid, but really, how many of those little plastic flags are going to end up on the floor after the speech anyhow? Sad that we've relegated our flag to decoration/souvenir status. __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

07-25-2003, 12:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	WHAT!? IMPEACH HIM! __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-25-2003, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Sure is. I'm waiting for one of the democratic (I no longer capitalize that word, suck it) presidential nominees to bring it up, they've slammed him for dumber things. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-25-2003, 01:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	hold on...........who was making all the fuss about the flag flying on the learning center?? now that your great leader has tarnished it, you got no prob? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-25-2003, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
ninety09 Flavour of the Weak Location: Canada	stupid law. stupider Bush.

07-25-2003, 11:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	That would be a federal law...wouldn't it?

07-25-2003, 12:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	All the libs are gonna make a big deal about this, but they all ignored the fact that Clinton straight up lied to them and played them all as stupid fools. Gimme a break. This is just dumb.

07-25-2003, 03:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	The intentions here are completely different, The_Dude. The people in Oregon want to take the flag down because they hate America, Bush is signing flags because he was asked to first of all, and second because he didn't know it was against the flags etiquette. It's easy to call him stupid now that we know it's against the law, but how many of you knew that law before this article? Chances are unless you were in the boyscouts or something you didn't, I'd be surprised if 1 out of 10 people on these forums knew how to properly put a US flag on a wall, or crossed with another flag. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-25-2003, 04:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Its hypocrisy eveyrone posting here - don't know why either side is trying to make a big deal. On the other hand people really need towatch what they defend and shrug off because it really does piss me off to see how easily people are going to bend jsut because soemone else does it.

07-25-2003, 07:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ace_of_Lobster Crazy	Thats a pretty dinky flag he is writing on there. __________________ "Hundreds of men must have told you how beautiful you are. Would you displease the gods to hear it once more? I wouldn't. Im young and I hope to see a god before I die." -Patera Silk

07-25-2003, 08:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	burning a flag is freedom of expression, a sign of protest with something. but signing it ?? btw, i really dont care about this topic, just arguing for the case of arguing and it's fun. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-25-2003, 08:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
ViriiK Upright Location: My foot up your ass behind you.	Those people that signed the World Trade Center Flag are in violation too? Here's a cup of shut the fuck up people.... Burning the flag for hate against America is okay with me for all I care. Why? It cost them money for them and more money for us. Surely you thought of that did you?

07-25-2003, 09:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	personally, i wouldnt burn a flag. i just dont see no point in doing so. it's just a piece of cloth. but, if somebody wants to do that, i can see why they would. i guess it's whose eyes u are lookin thru. in your eyes it means a lot. maybe in the eyes of the flag burners, it doesnt. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-25-2003, 09:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	The people who burn it know what it stands for and the fact that they disrespect that is bullshit. I can't see any reason to ever burn the flag. As far as I'm concerned, they're dickheads that abuse their freedom.

07-25-2003, 09:57 PM	#22 (permalink)
ViriiK Upright Location: My foot up your ass behind you.	Sixate.. Personally I agree with you on the same stance.. But when it comes to destroying my flag that I own on my property.. They have no right to do that and it disrespect everything.. Then again when it comes to retire the flag.. We burn it.. For them burning the flag.. It's only giving the flag the honorable way out rather than throwing it in the garbage

07-25-2003, 10:00 PM	#23 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	Way to fucking derail the point and cover up for your fearless leader, like always. Bush defiled the flag by writing on it same as a hater might by wiping his ass with it. You respect that flag 100% or not at all. How hard is it to treat the flag according to the set rules? You don't write on it, wear it in clothing except as a patch, fly it in the dark (unless illuminated) or in the rain, fly it in a state of disrepair, or burn it(expect when retiring a flag no longer in condition fit to display). That, or you do whatever you want. Myself, I'll go for 100%. I don't fly the flag, don't wear it, don't defile it. I like consistency in behavior. So if you want to talk about respect for the flag, sixate, hold your leader to the appropriate fucking standard, okay? Don't do a bait and switch with flag burning. Bush fucked up. Admit it, and we can move the fuck on. __________________ it's quiet in here

07-25-2003, 11:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
GunslingerCold Banned Location: IL	I just want to say I agree with sixate 100% and he said it better than I could. Even though he is a little harsh on Bush, Clinton and all politicians really. Last edited by GunslingerCold; 07-25-2003 at 11:53 PM..

07-26-2003, 01:39 PM	#26 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	wait a sec....why are we dragging clinton into this? that poor man was miles away! __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-26-2003, 03:39 PM	#30 (permalink)
DocTrevena Upright	I think its funny how anything a politician does is put under a magnifying glass... these people are just that PEOPLE... they make mistakes and have faults just like any other human being... if someone like say Bono from U2 signed the flag would anyone be making a big deal about it?

07-26-2003, 07:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Yes. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-26-2003, 09:56 PM	#35 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	sigh where is that "who fucking cares" picture when you need it. Personally, i do find it ironic that he was signing the flag, little/dinky or not, still its defacing it. And i gotta agree with the_dude, buring a flag is a freedom of expression, its basically the same as burning the consitution to protest something(symbolizing we dont care about it) or whatever, but, still bush is quite the dumbfuck.

07-27-2003, 10:44 AM	#38 (permalink)
thedrake Banned Location: Iowa	Well would you rather see him write something on a flag or hear him talk: tough one.

07-28-2003, 06:45 AM	#39 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	Yeah, he should know better. Somebody might run that through a spell checker. __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9 Last edited by Nad Adam; 07-28-2003 at 01:13 PM..

07-28-2003, 07:12 AM	#40 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	I love how people are still Clinton bashing. Every time a republican does something they only argument you get is well Clinton did this, Clinton did that. It makes me laugh. Clinton lied to try and not lose his wife. Most men would do the same. Was it wrong? Yes but not as bad you all make it out to be...so drop it. It is over, over by more than 2 years. Find a new argument. Now about the subject at hand. I am sure we all agree that this is a pretty stupid thing to make a fuss over. Writing on the flag really isn't that big of a deal. The one thing that pisses me off about most people is that they cannot think about things from the other person’s position. If this was Clinton writing on a flag, you would be in an uproar about how unpatriotic he is and how he should be removed from office for it. So remember that when your defending Bush. I really don't think it is a big deal. Yes, I knew the law about the flag. I think that was part of 4th grade American History. I understand though, he was being a celebrity and signing flags for fans. He wasn't thinking about laws at them time. Not a big deal. He has done worse.