Tilted Weaponry ? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

marcopolo · 08-03-2003, 09:18 AM

Number one this is the first time I've noticed this board . I would like to say ' IT'S ABOUT TIME '!
Second I would like to change this boards name to ' Tilted Firearms '. Why ? Let me explain. Over the last ten years or so the public has been deceived about firearms and there purpose by the media . The words Assault and Weaponry are the crap they use to throw fear into the general masses. Weapons are used by the military , firearms are used by the public .
I've instructed firearm safety for a while and we always refer to guns as firearms ... it is the political correct way to go . This may seem trivial to some of you but it is up to us to preserve the shooting sports for future generations . This is only a small start .

Do you agree ?

Cynthetiq · 08-03-2003, 09:38 AM

Maybe it should be called Armory since it encompases all of the items from knives to firearms.

Slims · 08-03-2003, 11:46 AM

Well, for the most part,this board is about weapons. If that (correct) term offends people, then they don't have to visit this forum.

When I was on shooting teams, we went to great lengths to make sure than we always referred to our firearms as firearms. But those firearms were purchased and used solely for paper targets. Most of the firearms being discussed on this board were purchased for their ability to kill, making them weapons (like my self defense handgun).

I think that people need to get desensitized to this sort of language (weapons) so it won't be a problem anymore.

Caphreak · 08-03-2003, 02:13 PM

Totally true, fear of a word only increases fear of the object.

water_boy1999 · 08-03-2003, 06:41 PM

Tilted Weaponry is fine with me. I just now started perusing this site so I hope to find interesting threads about all kinds of weaponry, including guns, knives, medeival weapons and armor, etc....I think changing it to "Tilted Firearms" is too limiting for this forums interest group.

sofa_x · 08-03-2003, 07:02 PM

I have an interest in all non firearm weapons, so the distinction is important to me. A firearm seems as if it is a weapon, just not a Weapon (note capital). As weapons that dont go bang may not generate enough interest on thier own to get their own board, we may have to stick with the original name.

hrdwareguy · 08-04-2003, 05:52 AM

The original name of the forum was Tilted Firearms. It was changed to weaponry to allow and encourage discussions of other types of things like knives, swords, archery....etc. etc.

alpha phi · 08-04-2003, 06:03 AM

knives are weapons too!
firearms may be in the majority,
but "can't we all just get along?"

I don't own a gun, but I've got lots of knives

EDIT: glad you found us in here Marco!

shakran · 08-04-2003, 09:53 AM

and by the way, I think it's ridiculous that the pro-gun camp thinks guns are the maligned weapon. Hell, guns are practically unregulated in the states compared to blades. I can buy all the guns I want up to (and in some places including) automatic rifles, but if I get a knife longer than 3" I can be arrested. In several states I can carry a gun hidden anywhere I want, but if I hide a 3" knife I get arrested. If I tell people I carry a gun they ask me what kind it is. If I tell them I carry a knife they look at me funny and sometimes back away. Knives are viewed in this society as more dangerous and offensive than guns, which I really don't get - after all, when's the last time you heard of a drive-by knifing?

So considering gun people have a huge-assed lobbying group that can get them just about anything they want, I see no reason for them to take offense at a forum that includes all forms of weaponry, not just firearms.

Oh, and by the way, a gun IS a weapon.

j8ear · 08-04-2003, 02:35 PM

We have a huge ass lobby, huh? While true...what is even more important is an AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES that we have. The second ammendment to be precise.

Gauranteeing that we can get any 'arm' we want without infringement.

Of course since the method to change or repeal this ammendment is far too cumbersome for the 'anti-gun' wacko's they have taken their fight in another direction...creating laws which violate this ammendment, advocating the creation of additional restrictions which violate the ammendment, and shilling for a judiciary which will validate their unconstitional endevours.

The gun people have a lobby ONLY to prevent the opposing huge ass lobby from infringing our constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

Very happy to have found this forum. Also pleased with the choice of tilted title.

-b-

seretogis · 08-04-2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shakran
In several states I can carry a gun hidden anywhere I want, but if I hide a 3" knife I get arrested.

My carry permit allows me to carry any legal weapon that doesn't require further training to own/purchase. Handgun, shotgun, shuriken, dagger, or pitchfork.

Slims · 08-04-2003, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
My carry permit allows me to carry any legal weapon that doesn't require further training to own/purchase. Handgun, shotgun, shuriken, dagger, or pitchfork.

Mine doesn't (NC). I can only carry concealed handguns. I think I can legally carry three or four if I felt like it, but nothing else. No shotguns, rifles, slingshots, batons, etc.

shakran · 08-05-2003, 06:23 PM

"While true...what is even more important is an AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES that we have. The second ammendment to be precise."

Oh boy, here we go!

1) that ammendment talks about the right to bear ARMS, not GUNS ONLY. So why the hell are my knives so restricted!

2) that ammendment qualifies the right to bear arms with a statement about a well-regulated militia. It also states "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. . . " not "the right of the INDIVIDUAL. . . " - in other words, if you're not in a militia, the ammendment does not apply (no that doesn't mean I'm anti gun, because I'm not. It just means I interpret the constitution realistically.

3) The ONLY good reason this ammendment hasn't been interpreted properly in recent years is because getting rid of everyone's guns would be a stupid move. We have too many guns in society now, and if we banned 'em all, only the law abiding citizens would turn them in, leaving an unopposed, armed criminal element. Wouldn't work.

alpha phi · 08-06-2003, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shakran
"While true...what is even more important is an AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES that we have. The second ammendment to be precise."

Oh boy, here we go!

1) that ammendment talks about the right to bear ARMS, not GUNS ONLY. So why the hell are my knives so restricted!

2) that ammendment qualifies the right to bear arms with a statement about a well-regulated militia. It also states "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. . . " not "the right of the INDIVIDUAL. . . " - in other words, if you're not in a militia, the ammendment does not apply (no that doesn't mean I'm anti gun, because I'm not. It just means I interpret the constitution realistically.

3) The ONLY good reason this ammendment hasn't been interpreted properly in recent years is because getting rid of everyone's guns would be a stupid move. We have too many guns in society now, and if we banned 'em all, only the law abiding citizens would turn them in, leaving an unopposed, armed criminal element. Wouldn't work.

I'm a People (last time I checked)
Just because I'm not a member of the militia, means I can't bear arms to protect mine?
I believe the 2nd should be read as it is written...not interpeted

hrdwareguy · 08-06-2003, 05:12 AM

If you want to debate the 2nd, start a new thread please.

jadedgrin · 08-07-2003, 05:25 PM

well i think what some people are saying about knives is true seeming how the media tells everyone a gun is killing machine, and it practically goes around killing by itself.... of course its not easy to kill someone with a gun, or with a knife. cause they wont just stand there and die. but its good to think of a gun as a firearm, seeming as thats what it is. in terms of knives, i firmly beleive that some people really shouldnt be trusted with any type of weapon, so i can see why their are restrictions, however it think 5 or 6 inches would be more reasonable (except then everyone and their mother would have a combat knife)

josobot · 08-07-2003, 05:54 PM

Liberal elitists (mostly Marxists) want our firearms confiscated before we, Americans, realize that we, the People, have lost control of our country to judges who imagine and create laws by and for an elite.

shakran · 08-07-2003, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jadedgrin
well i think what some people are saying about knives is true seeming how the media tells everyone a gun is killing machine, and it practically goes around killing by itself.... of course its not easy to kill someone with a gun, or with a knife. cause they wont just stand there and die. but its good to think of a gun as a firearm, seeming as thats what it is. in terms of knives, i firmly beleive that some people really shouldnt be trusted with any type of weapon, so i can see why their are restrictions, however it think 5 or 6 inches would be more reasonable (except then everyone and their mother would have a combat knife)

A knife is a killing machine as well. It is also a weapon. and BTW the media paints knives in a far worse light than guns. There are lots of stories on the local news about hunting and none of those stories (even the ones in which a hunter shoots someone instead of a deer) go into the diatribe about how dangerous guns are. You get a story about a chef's knife and it's described as a "razor sharp shard of death" or some such nonsense.

I think that a gun is a gun, whether you call it a gun or a firearm or a weapon (in my mindset, weapon is the key word. Whether it's a gun, a knife, or a club, it's a dangerous object if you're trying to use it against me.)

I cannot see why gun laws are so lax and knife laws are not. You can buy an AK-47 and carry it around the woods looking for a deer to vaporize, but if the cops catch you with a 6" knife they'll confiscate it, and you're lucky if that's all they do to you.

I agree with you that some people should not be trusted with any type of weapon. The problem is that our laws are not only not set up that way, but they're set up in an insane alternative. Almost anyone, no matter how untrustworthy, can get a gun, while almost no one, no matter how trustworthy, can carry a decently-sized knife. It simply doesn't make sense.

smooth · 08-08-2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by josobot
Liberal elitists (mostly Marxists) want our firearms confiscated before we, Americans, realize that we, the People, have lost control of our country to judges who imagine and create laws by and for an elite.

You realize that we Marxists already believe you lost control of the country to elitists and are just waiting for you to realize it, form a class for yourselves, overthrow the elitists, and be restored to species-being?

Before you slam an ideology that you likely understand through pop culture rather than first-hand knowledge, you might want to research its views and implications.

josobot · 08-09-2003, 08:35 AM

Marxism has two components: the theoretical and the practical. The theoretical is based on the notions of private property and profit. It's offered solution is a Gilligan's Island illusion. The most sincere believers in the old Soviet Union were the East Germans. They are now having the hardest time adjusting to the real world. The countries whose citizens never believed in their hearts are quite successful...the Poles, Czechs, etc. The practical side of Marxism is Stalin and Pol Pot, starvation and confiscation of lands from indigenous peoples...whether Mongolian or Ukrainian or African. Marxism is a lot like talking a girl into giving up her virginity for the promise of eternal love.

MacGnG · 08-09-2003, 04:31 PM

agreeing with Cynthetiq: Tilted Armory

s8ins child · 08-11-2003, 05:58 AM

Definatly Tilted Armory as it consists of more than just firarms!!

08-03-2003, 09:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
marcopolo I am the anomaly. Location: Motown	Tilted Weaponry ? Number one this is the first time I've noticed this board . I would like to say ' IT'S ABOUT TIME '! Second I would like to change this boards name to ' Tilted Firearms '. Why ? Let me explain. Over the last ten years or so the public has been deceived about firearms and there purpose by the media . The words Assault and Weaponry are the crap they use to throw fear into the general masses. Weapons are used by the military , firearms are used by the public . I've instructed firearm safety for a while and we always refer to guns as firearms ... it is the political correct way to go . This may seem trivial to some of you but it is up to us to preserve the shooting sports for future generations . This is only a small start . Do you agree ? __________________ Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

08-03-2003, 09:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Maybe it should be called Armory since it encompases all of the items from knives to firearms. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

08-03-2003, 11:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Well, for the most part,this board is about weapons. If that (correct) term offends people, then they don't have to visit this forum. When I was on shooting teams, we went to great lengths to make sure than we always referred to our firearms as firearms. But those firearms were purchased and used solely for paper targets. Most of the firearms being discussed on this board were purchased for their ability to kill, making them weapons (like my self defense handgun). I think that people need to get desensitized to this sort of language (weapons) so it won't be a problem anymore. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

08-03-2003, 06:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	Tilted Weaponry is fine with me. I just now started perusing this site so I hope to find interesting threads about all kinds of weaponry, including guns, knives, medeival weapons and armor, etc....I think changing it to "Tilted Firearms" is too limiting for this forums interest group. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

08-04-2003, 05:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
hrdwareguy "Officer, I was in fear for my life" Location: Oklahoma City	The original name of the forum was Tilted Firearms. It was changed to weaponry to allow and encourage discussions of other types of things like knives, swords, archery....etc. etc. __________________ Gun Control is hitting what you aim at Aim for the TFP, Donate Today

08-03-2003, 02:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Caphreak Insane Location: Ames, IA	Totally true, fear of a word only increases fear of the object.

08-03-2003, 07:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
sofa_x Upright	I have an interest in all non firearm weapons, so the distinction is important to me. A firearm seems as if it is a weapon, just not a Weapon (note capital). As weapons that dont go bang may not generate enough interest on thier own to get their own board, we may have to stick with the original name.

08-04-2003, 06:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
alpha phi seeker Location: home	knives are weapons too! firearms may be in the majority, but "can't we all just get along?" I don't own a gun, but I've got lots of knives EDIT: glad you found us in here Marco! __________________ All ideas in this communication are sole property of the voices in my head. (C) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 "The Voices" (TM). All rights reserved. Last edited by alpha phi; 08-04-2003 at 06:07 AM..

08-04-2003, 09:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	and by the way, I think it's ridiculous that the pro-gun camp thinks guns are the maligned weapon. Hell, guns are practically unregulated in the states compared to blades. I can buy all the guns I want up to (and in some places including) automatic rifles, but if I get a knife longer than 3" I can be arrested. In several states I can carry a gun hidden anywhere I want, but if I hide a 3" knife I get arrested. If I tell people I carry a gun they ask me what kind it is. If I tell them I carry a knife they look at me funny and sometimes back away. Knives are viewed in this society as more dangerous and offensive than guns, which I really don't get - after all, when's the last time you heard of a drive-by knifing? So considering gun people have a huge-assed lobbying group that can get them just about anything they want, I see no reason for them to take offense at a forum that includes all forms of weaponry, not just firearms. Oh, and by the way, a gun IS a weapon.

08-04-2003, 02:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	We have a huge ass lobby, huh? While true...what is even more important is an AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES that we have. The second ammendment to be precise. Gauranteeing that we can get any 'arm' we want without infringement. Of course since the method to change or repeal this ammendment is far too cumbersome for the 'anti-gun' wacko's they have taken their fight in another direction...creating laws which violate this ammendment, advocating the creation of additional restrictions which violate the ammendment, and shilling for a judiciary which will validate their unconstitional endevours. The gun people have a lobby ONLY to prevent the opposing huge ass lobby from infringing our constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. Very happy to have found this forum. Also pleased with the choice of tilted title. -b- __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

08-05-2003, 06:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	"While true...what is even more important is an AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES that we have. The second ammendment to be precise." Oh boy, here we go! 1) that ammendment talks about the right to bear ARMS, not GUNS ONLY. So why the hell are my knives so restricted! 2) that ammendment qualifies the right to bear arms with a statement about a well-regulated militia. It also states "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. . . " not "the right of the INDIVIDUAL. . . " - in other words, if you're not in a militia, the ammendment does not apply (no that doesn't mean I'm anti gun, because I'm not. It just means I interpret the constitution realistically. 3) The ONLY good reason this ammendment hasn't been interpreted properly in recent years is because getting rid of everyone's guns would be a stupid move. We have too many guns in society now, and if we banned 'em all, only the law abiding citizens would turn them in, leaving an unopposed, armed criminal element. Wouldn't work.

08-06-2003, 05:12 AM	#15 (permalink)
hrdwareguy "Officer, I was in fear for my life" Location: Oklahoma City	If you want to debate the 2nd, start a new thread please. __________________ Gun Control is hitting what you aim at Aim for the TFP, Donate Today

08-07-2003, 05:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
jadedgrin Psycho Location: eh	well i think what some people are saying about knives is true seeming how the media tells everyone a gun is killing machine, and it practically goes around killing by itself.... of course its not easy to kill someone with a gun, or with a knife. cause they wont just stand there and die. but its good to think of a gun as a firearm, seeming as thats what it is. in terms of knives, i firmly beleive that some people really shouldnt be trusted with any type of weapon, so i can see why their are restrictions, however it think 5 or 6 inches would be more reasonable (except then everyone and their mother would have a combat knife) __________________ what puts a smile on your face??

08-07-2003, 05:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
josobot Insane	Liberal elitists (mostly Marxists) want our firearms confiscated before we, Americans, realize that we, the People, have lost control of our country to judges who imagine and create laws by and for an elite.

08-09-2003, 08:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
josobot Insane	Marxism has two components: the theoretical and the practical. The theoretical is based on the notions of private property and profit. It's offered solution is a Gilligan's Island illusion. The most sincere believers in the old Soviet Union were the East Germans. They are now having the hardest time adjusting to the real world. The countries whose citizens never believed in their hearts are quite successful...the Poles, Czechs, etc. The practical side of Marxism is Stalin and Pol Pot, starvation and confiscation of lands from indigenous peoples...whether Mongolian or Ukrainian or African. Marxism is a lot like talking a girl into giving up her virginity for the promise of eternal love.

08-09-2003, 04:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	agreeing with Cynthetiq: Tilted Armory

08-11-2003, 05:58 AM	#22 (permalink)
s8ins child Tilted	Definatly Tilted Armory as it consists of more than just firarms!!