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Liquor Dealer · 07-28-2003, 04:30 PM

Gutless Texas Senators follow House lead - flee the state!
(I'm gettin' to where I hate to even admit I was born in the Great State of Tejas)

Texas Senators Take Page From House Playbook, Bolt

Monday, July 28, 2003

AUSTIN, Texas — Democratic state lawmakers fled Texas on Monday for the second time in three months to thwart a Republican drive to redraw the state's congressional districts.

Eleven of the 12 Democrats in the state Senate left for Albuquerque, N.M., as a first special session called by the governor to address redistricting drew to a close and he called a second special session, which began Monday afternoon. The second session could last up to 30 days.

"We're availing ourselves of a tool given to us by our Texas Constitution to break a quorum," Sen. Gonzalo Barrientos said at a hotel in Albuquerque. "It's not about Democrats, it's about democracy."

Asked how long the group might stay in New Mexico, Barrientos said, "We have to gauge that day by day."

Sen. Mario Gallegos Jr. said the trip to New Mexico came as a surprise to him: "I didn't even know we were coming here until I got on the plane."

I hope Texas voters have more guts than their elected members of the state legislature have and throw them all out when election time comes around!

2wolves · 07-28-2003, 04:41 PM

Gutless? You know there's a tiger in the room. You know the tiger hasn't been fed in two weeks......

Would you rather stand in noble silence whilst being devoured or go down to the local gun shop for a H&K SAW?

Choose wisely.

2Wolves

Liquor Dealer · 07-28-2003, 04:54 PM

I wouldn't run to another state.

Phaenx · 07-28-2003, 05:03 PM

This is rediculous, are they going to run away every time the Republicans want to do something?

seretogis · 07-28-2003, 05:22 PM

I'm disgusted. Again.

Trilidon · 07-28-2003, 05:26 PM

Doesnt texas have the mexican flag flying from federal buildings now?

At least some like librarys?

The_Dude · 07-28-2003, 05:33 PM

killer d's strike again.

you guys have any idea on how much these special sessions cost?? this is the same as the recall in CA. we're beating a dying dog, as in this case the state budget. texas is already in red ink and it's makin the situation worse. both sides are at fault here.

as for redrawing the map, i dont think it'll ever get done that would please all sides. (duh!). almost all the major state newspaper oppose this and so does a lot of republicans in the state senate. they're practically ruled out on the bill proposed by tom delay. they dont like splitting their districts up for house elections.

anyway, i'm opposed to either side doing this and i would much rather have an independant authority or court do this.

seretogis · 07-28-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
anyway, i'm opposed to either side doing this and i would much rather have an independant authority or court do this.

Right, because judges are unbiased?

...

The_Dude · 07-28-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by seretogis
Right, because judges are unbiased?

...

1) they're supposed to be

2) a lot more unbiased than politicians

and i dont mean texas judges, who are elected. i'd much rather have a fed judge appointed for life do this.

Liquor Dealer · 07-28-2003, 05:41 PM

No Dude! No way in hell! Both sides are not at fault. The Democrats in the Texas legislature are a disgrace to Texas and a disgrace to representative government as a whole. They were elected to represent the people of Texas - not the people of Ardmore or the people of Albuquerque - They are just flat gutless worms. They need to go back and cast their votes and let the chips fall where they fall.

2wolves · 07-28-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
No Dude! No way in hell! Both sides are not at fault. The Democrats in the Texas legislature are a disgrace to Texas and a disgrace to representative government as a whole. They were elected to represent the people of Texas - not the people of Ardmore or the people of Albuquerque - They are just flat gutless worms. They need to go back and cast their votes and let the chips fall where they fall.

Like Newt shutting down the Fed. Gov't? DeLay is over-reaching and getting singed for the effort. Hubris can be a real mo-fo.

2Wolves

Superbelt · 07-28-2003, 06:27 PM

Dewhurst and Perry tried to muscle this through the this last time, by the rules. And it was soundly defeated.

Now Dewhurst wants to remove the 2/3rd's rule so that he can force it down everyones throats.

Removing that rule is disrespectful to the entire senate. The Democrats did the only thing they could do when Dewhurst removes all the rules, and that is to not allow those broken rules to mean anything.

The Texas Democrats are standing up for their rights and aren't taking it up the cornhole like most Dems were in '02.

HarmlessRabbit · 07-28-2003, 06:54 PM

I'm wondering where all you Republicans were when Jesse Helms was abusing the process and blocking Clinton judicial nominees left and right. Or when Newt shut down the government, as 2wolves said, thinking that he could play chicken with Clinton and win.

This is every bit as legal of a maneuver as the republican-funded recall effort in california. You can support both the recall and this maneuver in texas, or you can support neither as stupid partisan politics, but if you support one and not the other, you're a hypocrite.

Phaenx · 07-28-2003, 07:51 PM

There you dems go bringing up Clinton where he doesn't belong!

(Haaah. Wanted to do that for a WHILE.)

HarmlessRabbit · 07-28-2003, 08:11 PM

<b>Phaenx</b>

Oh sure, when you can't argue my point, just talk about clinton.

ctembreull · 07-28-2003, 08:26 PM

The funny part of this is that Texas House Speaker Tom Craddick was himself part of a walkout back in '71. The runaway Democrats are generally referred to as the "Killer D's", which is a reference to the "Killer B's", who I think were repubs who staged a walkout in 1979.

Bottom line: this is a protest against the tyrrany of the majority. It is not without precedent.

dmay · 07-28-2003, 09:42 PM

Run Forest Run

The_Dude · 07-28-2003, 10:02 PM

i really doubt the majority of texans want their districts redrawn.

Pennington · 07-29-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
i really doubt the majority of texans want their districts redrawn.

Even if that is true, which I wouldn't know, the public doesn't really have any say in the matter. The democrats are being asses for skipping town, but the legeslative branch shouldn't have the power to redraw their own districts. There needs to have a balance of power, and I feel that the courts should have the power to draw the districts. So yeah, both sides are at fault here and the law needs to be changed. I'd say make a law that states that if anyone breaks quarum purposfully to block the passage of a bill, than the vote should be carried on anyway. Also pass a law that prevents the house or senate from having the power to redraw or choose when to redraw. That power should reside in the courts. Of course, neither one of these would ever be passed, as the minority would always protect their power to leave the state and the majority will never give up their power to redraw the districts in their interests.

Superbelt · 07-29-2003, 03:46 AM

about 35% are against redistricting
and 20-23% are for it
The rest are indifferent.

Trilidon · 07-29-2003, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by ctembreull

Bottom line: this is a protest against the tyrrany of the majority. It is not without precedent.

Tyrrany, come on now.Last time I checked this country was majority rule not the more vocal minority.

MrSmashy · 07-29-2003, 06:30 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
No Dude! No way in hell! Both sides are not at fault. The Democrats in the Texas legislature are a disgrace to Texas and a disgrace to representative government as a whole. They were elected to represent the people of Texas - not the people of Ardmore or the people of Albuquerque - They are just flat gutless worms. They need to go back and cast their votes and let the chips fall where they fall.

Would you be saying the same thing if it was democrats trying to restructure the boundaries to help ensure that they kept a majority in the state legislature?

I don't think its gutless to do the only thing you can to oppose a bill that is trying to subvert democracy by altering electoral boundaries to favour one party. I think its gutless of the republicans to be making the changes in the first place since that says that they can't rely on winning elections without first skewing the playing field in their favour as much as possible.

Seriously, all the huffing and puffing about the indignity of this is along partisan lines rather than any real higher moral/ethical/whatever standard that people should be held to.

2wolves · 07-29-2003, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by Trilidon
Tyrrany, come on now.Last time I checked this country was majority rule not the more vocal minority.

Please don't tell Al Gore, he'd only start sobbing again.

2Wolves

Liquor Dealer · 07-29-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by MrSmashy
Would you be saying the same thing if it was democrats trying to restructure the boundaries to help ensure that they kept a majority in the state legislature?

I don't think its gutless to do the only thing you can to oppose a bill that is trying to subvert democracy by altering electoral boundaries to favour one party. I think its gutless of the republicans to be making the changes in the first place since that says that they can't rely on winning elections without first skewing the playing field in their favour as much as possible.

Seriously, all the huffing and puffing about the indignity of this is along partisan lines rather than any real higher moral/ethical/whatever standard that people should be held to.

Yeah! I'd be saying the exact same things since this is exactly what the Democrats have done in Texas for the past 100 years - They had it so loaded in their favor that Texas was basically a one party state until Eisenhower carried Texas. What they are attempting now is to hang onto a power base that they've lost. Because of population shifts Texas needs to be reapportioned - not to favor a party but fairly.

LRave · 07-29-2003, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Because of population shifts Texas needs to be reapportioned - not to favor a party but fairly.

Please explain to me how cutting Travis county into three districts, one of which stretches to the New Mexico border and another which cuts into Houston, can by any definition be called "fair."

Texas could perhaps use a new map, but if you think the map the Republicans are trying to ram down our throats is "fair," then you are badly, badly mistaken.

Liquor Dealer · 07-29-2003, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by LRave
Please explain to me how cutting Travis county into three districts, one of which stretches to the New Mexico border and another which cuts into Houston, can by any definition be called "fair."

Texas could perhaps use a new map, but if you think the map the Republicans are trying to ram down our throats is "fair," then you are badly, badly mistaken.

"not to favor a party but fairly."

Did you just flat not read this part?

LRave · 07-29-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
not to favor a party but fairly."

Did you just flat not read this part?

I read that part, but I don't see how it applies. You're defending the current plan to redistrict the state, so you're obviously not in favor of a map that does not favor a party. I mean, pick ANY of the maps the republicans have put forward and I promise you I can find some pretty blatant examples of gerrymandering going on.

The Democrats are running because its the only weapon they have left to prevent a redistricting that would be comic if the Republicans weren't taking it so seriously. Hell, they're even willing to change the rules of the game, as long as they get their way.

ctembreull · 07-29-2003, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Trilidon
Tyrrany, come on now.Last time I checked this country was majority rule not the more vocal minority.

The "tyranny of the majority" is actually a very old precept. It's what happens when a majority takes steps to ensure that it remains a majority in perpetuity. It figures prominently into the writings of Jefferson, as well as a number of other noted constitutional scholars. A majority is not a de facto grant of license for force majeure, and it is the duty of the minority to resist it by any means possible.

"Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper." -- Larry Flynt

"It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." -- Giordano Bruno

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." -- Thomas Jefferson

"It is a measure of the framers' fear that a passing majority might find it expedient to compromise [values that were] embodied in the Constitution itself." -- Sandra Day O'Connor

The_Dude · 07-29-2003, 09:12 AM

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Whitmire said the Democrats left the Capitol after receiving word Monday morning that the first session would be shut down a day early and that the governor would immediately order a subsequent session to convene.

Whitmire said that Democrats -- who had prepared a contingency plan that included two chartered planes -- feared that Dewhurst would then have moved quickly to order the Senate doors locked to prevent a walkout.

hahah, that's a new cheap to add to the GOP's list of tricks.

they were gonna shut down special session1 a day early, and declare special session2 so they could lock 'em in the building.

Liquor Dealer · 07-29-2003, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by LRave
I read that part, but I don't see how it applies. You're defending the current plan to redistrict the state, so you're obviously not in favor of a map that does not favor a party. I mean, pick ANY of the maps the republicans have put forward and I promise you I can find some pretty blatant examples of gerrymandering going on.

The Democrats are running because its the only weapon they have left to prevent a redistricting that would be comic if the Republicans weren't taking it so seriously. Hell, they're even willing to change the rules of the game, as long as they get their way.

Again- Read what I said - not what you want it to say I said! What part of plain simple English are you unable to comprehend!!!

ctembreull · 07-29-2003, 11:41 AM

Y'know, I agree that Texas probably *should* be reapportioned. But the current map is *not* fair, just as a lot of the ones in the past were *not* fair. Bottom line, a mediator is needed to draw a compromise map.

Until that happens, then anything the Dems can do to stop this one is fair game, far as I'm concerned.

smooth · 07-29-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Again- Read what I said - not what you want it to say I said! What part of plain simple English are you unable to comprehend!!!

The part where you swore never to post in politics again.

mml · 07-29-2003, 11:55 AM

Unfortuately, there is no good answer here. From what I understand the existing map is biased toward the Dems and the new map is simply an insult to fair politics. In Arizona we passed an initiative that called for a citizen's group to redraw the map. Sounds great, except that all the "citzens" were really political activists and we still have a crazy map.

By the way I'd like to take this time to thank Texas and Florida for making Arizona politics not look so bad.

prb · 07-29-2003, 01:22 PM

I thought that Texas had been redistricted by the Repubs just 3 years ago following the last census - - just as Texas law provided - - and the next redistricting wasn't supposed to occur until the next census except Tom Delay (not even a member of the Texas legislature) decided to have an "early" redistricting plan drawn up that was even better for the Repubs than the last. Am I right here? And if I am, why shouldn't the Dems resort to the only defense they have left? If the other side starts cheating, leave the game or continue playing at your peril.

Phaenx · 07-29-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
hahah, that's a new cheap to add to the GOP's list of tricks.

they were gonna shut down special session1 a day early, and declare special session2 so they could lock 'em in the building.

Yes, bereaucracy at it's finest. I swear to god, if both parties keep acting like a bunch of children I'm going Independant.

sixate · 07-29-2003, 02:06 PM

I find it funny how all the dems support these balless bitches. They are complete fucking pussies. Fucking crybabies. The Republicans are not doing anything that the dems haven't done for years and I never heard of the Republicans running out of the state. I may be wrong so someone correct me if I am. Anyway, for a politician to tuck their tail between their legs and run outa the state is as pathetic as it gets. They have zero credibility and anyone who supports them is just as brainless as the idiots that left the state. It's actually sad that they would do this again. You think they'd learn, but obviously they never will.

Just so everybody knows, I would be just as pissed if it were Republicans doing this. It's not a lib versus conservative issue to me. It's a right versus wrong issue and it's just wrong to run outa the state like that.

ctembreull · 07-29-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
Just so everybody knows, I would be just as pissed if it were Republicans doing this. It's not a lib versus conservative issue to me. It's a right versus wrong issue and it's just wrong to run outa the state like that.

Oddly enough, this is a pattern in Texas politics. I posted this earlier, but... in 1971, Republicans walked out in protest over one scandal or another. One of those walkouts was current Texas House Speaker Tom Craddick. Ironic, no?There are other walkouts in the record, too - both by Republicans and Democrats.

Texas plays by different rules, I guess.

sixate · 07-29-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by ctembreull
Texas plays by different rules, I guess.

I guess so. I'm glad I don't live in a state run by a bunch of morons, and that includes the left, right, and everything in the middle.

MrSmashy · 07-29-2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Again- Read what I said - not what you want it to say I said! What part of plain simple English are you unable to comprehend!!!

Its really too bad that pretending to be right doesn't make you so, otherwise you might win these arguements sometimes.

Seriously, all you've done is reiterate 'this is how I feel' rather than explain any inconsistencies etc...that have arisen.

Point? You are making the other arguement look better.

If you are so in favour of an impartial redistricting, as you state, why not try and find some independent way of doing it?

The_Dude · 07-29-2003, 04:36 PM

i heard something about the house dem's not reporting for duty either. i dont know the validity at this point

07-28-2003, 04:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	Texas Politics in the Shitter! Again... Gutless Texas Senators follow House lead - flee the state! (I'm gettin' to where I hate to even admit I was born in the Great State of Tejas) Texas Senators Take Page From House Playbook, Bolt Monday, July 28, 2003 AUSTIN, Texas — Democratic state lawmakers fled Texas on Monday for the second time in three months to thwart a Republican drive to redraw the state's congressional districts. Eleven of the 12 Democrats in the state Senate left for Albuquerque, N.M., as a first special session called by the governor to address redistricting drew to a close and he called a second special session, which began Monday afternoon. The second session could last up to 30 days. "We're availing ourselves of a tool given to us by our Texas Constitution to break a quorum," Sen. Gonzalo Barrientos said at a hotel in Albuquerque. "It's not about Democrats, it's about democracy." Asked how long the group might stay in New Mexico, Barrientos said, "We have to gauge that day by day." Sen. Mario Gallegos Jr. said the trip to New Mexico came as a surprise to him: "I didn't even know we were coming here until I got on the plane." I hope Texas voters have more guts than their elected members of the state legislature have and throw them all out when election time comes around! __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!! Last edited by Liquor Dealer; 07-28-2003 at 04:34 PM..

07-28-2003, 04:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	I wouldn't run to another state. __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

07-28-2003, 05:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	This is rediculous, are they going to run away every time the Republicans want to do something? __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-28-2003, 05:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I'm disgusted. Again. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-28-2003, 05:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	killer d's strike again. you guys have any idea on how much these special sessions cost?? this is the same as the recall in CA. we're beating a dying dog, as in this case the state budget. texas is already in red ink and it's makin the situation worse. both sides are at fault here. as for redrawing the map, i dont think it'll ever get done that would please all sides. (duh!). almost all the major state newspaper oppose this and so does a lot of republicans in the state senate. they're practically ruled out on the bill proposed by tom delay. they dont like splitting their districts up for house elections. anyway, i'm opposed to either side doing this and i would much rather have an independant authority or court do this. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-28-2003, 04:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
2wolves Psycho Location: Just outside the D.C. belt	Gutless? You know there's a tiger in the room. You know the tiger hasn't been fed in two weeks...... Would you rather stand in noble silence whilst being devoured or go down to the local gun shop for a H&K SAW? Choose wisely. 2Wolves

07-28-2003, 05:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
Trilidon Tilted	Doesnt texas have the mexican flag flying from federal buildings now? At least some like librarys?

07-28-2003, 05:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	No Dude! No way in hell! Both sides are not at fault. The Democrats in the Texas legislature are a disgrace to Texas and a disgrace to representative government as a whole. They were elected to represent the people of Texas - not the people of Ardmore or the people of Albuquerque - They are just flat gutless worms. They need to go back and cast their votes and let the chips fall where they fall. __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

07-28-2003, 06:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Dewhurst and Perry tried to muscle this through the this last time, by the rules. And it was soundly defeated. Now Dewhurst wants to remove the 2/3rd's rule so that he can force it down everyones throats. Removing that rule is disrespectful to the entire senate. The Democrats did the only thing they could do when Dewhurst removes all the rules, and that is to not allow those broken rules to mean anything. The Texas Democrats are standing up for their rights and aren't taking it up the cornhole like most Dems were in '02.

07-28-2003, 06:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
HarmlessRabbit Junkie Location: San Jose, CA	I'm wondering where all you Republicans were when Jesse Helms was abusing the process and blocking Clinton judicial nominees left and right. Or when Newt shut down the government, as 2wolves said, thinking that he could play chicken with Clinton and win. This is every bit as legal of a maneuver as the republican-funded recall effort in california. You can support both the recall and this maneuver in texas, or you can support neither as stupid partisan politics, but if you support one and not the other, you're a hypocrite.

07-28-2003, 07:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	There you dems go bringing up Clinton where he doesn't belong! (Haaah. Wanted to do that for a WHILE.) __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-28-2003, 08:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
HarmlessRabbit Junkie Location: San Jose, CA	<b>Phaenx</b> Oh sure, when you can't argue my point, just talk about clinton.

07-28-2003, 08:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	The funny part of this is that Texas House Speaker Tom Craddick was himself part of a walkout back in '71. The runaway Democrats are generally referred to as the "Killer D's", which is a reference to the "Killer B's", who I think were repubs who staged a walkout in 1979. Bottom line: this is a protest against the tyrrany of the majority. It is not without precedent. __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-28-2003, 09:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
dmay Tilted Location: west virginia	Run Forest Run

07-28-2003, 10:02 PM	#18 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i really doubt the majority of texans want their districts redrawn. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-29-2003, 03:46 AM	#20 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	about 35% are against redistricting and 20-23% are for it The rest are indifferent.

07-29-2003, 11:41 AM	#31 (permalink)
ctembreull Crazy Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA, Earth	Y'know, I agree that Texas probably should be reapportioned. But the current map is not fair, just as a lot of the ones in the past were not fair. Bottom line, a mediator is needed to draw a compromise map. Until that happens, then anything the Dems can do to stop this one is fair game, far as I'm concerned. __________________ Mac "If it's nae Scottish, it's crap!

07-29-2003, 11:55 AM	#33 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	Unfortuately, there is no good answer here. From what I understand the existing map is biased toward the Dems and the new map is simply an insult to fair politics. In Arizona we passed an initiative that called for a citizen's group to redraw the map. Sounds great, except that all the "citzens" were really political activists and we still have a crazy map. By the way I'd like to take this time to thank Texas and Florida for making Arizona politics not look so bad. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

07-29-2003, 01:22 PM	#34 (permalink)
prb Psycho	I thought that Texas had been redistricted by the Repubs just 3 years ago following the last census - - just as Texas law provided - - and the next redistricting wasn't supposed to occur until the next census except Tom Delay (not even a member of the Texas legislature) decided to have an "early" redistricting plan drawn up that was even better for the Repubs than the last. Am I right here? And if I am, why shouldn't the Dems resort to the only defense they have left? If the other side starts cheating, leave the game or continue playing at your peril.

07-29-2003, 02:06 PM	#36 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I find it funny how all the dems support these balless bitches. They are complete fucking pussies. Fucking crybabies. The Republicans are not doing anything that the dems haven't done for years and I never heard of the Republicans running out of the state. I may be wrong so someone correct me if I am. Anyway, for a politician to tuck their tail between their legs and run outa the state is as pathetic as it gets. They have zero credibility and anyone who supports them is just as brainless as the idiots that left the state. It's actually sad that they would do this again. You think they'd learn, but obviously they never will. Just so everybody knows, I would be just as pissed if it were Republicans doing this. It's not a lib versus conservative issue to me. It's a right versus wrong issue and it's just wrong to run outa the state like that.

07-29-2003, 04:36 PM	#40 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i heard something about the house dem's not reporting for duty either. i dont know the validity at this point __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal