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Judge orders nuns to prison
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This judge is an asshole. If I would have broke in and done what these stupid broads did I be in jail for 20 years, but because they're (crazy) nuns they get a pass because they aren't typical criminals? I say they are typical criminals. They broke the law which makes them just as bad as everyone else and they should go to jail for a very long time. The pathetic thing is they think they'll be going to heaven..... What a joke. More criminals in heaven. If I am 100% wrong in my beliefs I'd much rather burn in hell for eternity than be in heaven with these pathetic fucking bitches. :mad: :mad: :mad: I won't call what they did protesting. When you break laws you are no longer protesting. You now become a lowlife criminal. |
What they did was wrong, I won't argue that. But when sentencing, the judge has to look at their intent when they commited the crime. These nuns didn't intend to destroy the silos or cause their malfunction. They were making a statement, and while they didn't need to cause damage to make it, they shouldn't be punished as though they intended to make any serious damage. The judge was right, in my opinion, because the laws were designed to punish people who intended to do serious harm or disable property, not protesters making a political statement. The differance is somewhat like manslaughter and murder. While they may have the same outcome, the criminals had differant intents and it should be treated as such.
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They did deserve to be punished, but jeez, you gotta feel bad for em, but im glad they atleast got a lesser sentance. Sucks though, cause i didnt even here about this until now...so the original message was lost
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I was stationed at a "naval weapon station" for some time, and if there was an intruder in the "limited access area" the use of deadly force was authorized. These women are lucky to be alive.
It doesnt matter if they were nuns, dishwashers, or honor roll students they breeched a weapon silo which is against federal law, so off to prison with them. |
Break into a missle silo. Good idea.
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somebody plz explain to me why they were charged with"October 2002 act of civil disobedience" and not trespassing or something worse??
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did the same thing to a school teacher last year
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As nuns, I'd think they'd be a little more well behaved... would Jesus break into a missle silo to protest nuclear missiles? Maybe. Would he make a cross out of his own blood on the silo? Probably not.
41 months isn't an easy sentence, but I wouldn't feel guilty giving them a year or two more. |
Surprisingly, I thought their sentence was light. I agree with what they were trying to say, but I disagree completely on how they chose to do it. If you do the crime, you do the time - person of the cloth or not.
That said, I have nothing but respect for those nuns for having the sheer, unadulterated balls (okay, pardon the phrase) to follow their conscience, damn the consequences. |
Hm, what would Jesus do? Lets set them on fire and send them to hell instead of 6 years in prison.
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They deserve every moment that they spend in jail.
Anyone who feels bad for the nuns or think it was wrong to charge them, needs to re-evaluate exactly what "law" is, and who are exempt from it. |
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Seems like justice worked just fine here. The nuns made a political statement, and it appears they wanted to go to jail. The judge gave them what appears to be a fair sentence for a pretty serious crime. Move along, nothing to see here. :)
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<i>21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. </i> So, WWJD? He would charge in and knock some shit over. :) |
If you turned a church into a casino he would. He didn't exactly burst into the Roman senate and go "NO WAR IN GREECE!"
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Obviously you're not a beleiver in civil disobedience. |
Civil disobedience doesn't include causing damage to property.
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hold up.......look @ what martin luther king did. that's civil disobedience. he did not cause any damage to any property.
what these nuns did is NOT civil disobedience in my eyes. |
Dude, there's a huge difference between fighting against racism and what these dumbass criminals did. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand, right?
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That missile silo falls under the auspices of F.E.Warren AFB, in Cheyenne Wy. I was assigned to the 90th Security Police Squadron there in the early 80's. As reconmike pointed out earlier, these fences are clearly marked, in large red letters, "Restricted Area...Use Of Deadly Force Authorized". I can remember security forces having to deploy to these same type of "protests", on about a monthly basis, at some of the more remotely located Launch Facilities. These were largely perpetrated by idealistic college students, but a fair number were orchastrated by Catholic priests and nuns. I see that twenty some odd years has changed little.
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Ooo.. expensive fence.
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No, wait, that's total bullshit. They were obviously willing to serve this sentence in order to break laws they think are unjust. They did so in a non-violent manner, and made no effort to disguise what they did. I don't agree with them, but your condemnation of them is without merit. Simply attacking them as being "lowlife" does nothing to prove the worth, or lack thereof of civil disobediance. Nor does "property damage" make the difference. They're going to pay for the fence, a very costly one at that. I'm simply unmoved as to the difference between making the state pay to arrest someone and making the state pay for a fence is. If you say civil disobedieance is ALWAYS wrong, then you have ceeded ALL moral judgement on your behavior to the state, and beleive that you will follow any order or law, no matter how odious it is to you. The phrase "just following orders" ring a bell? There is no free thinking allowed in that position-all laws are 100% moral becase the state enforces them, and all you do is in complience with the laws. Take a broader view...the state is not perfect. Resigning your responsibility over to them by refusing to disobey injust laws is to empty yourself of your free will. |
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Hehe, same here.
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protesters in general are retarded......
nobody really listens to them do they..... Good job there the world is much safer now that the missiles are crossed with nun's blood! Retarded..(oops mentally handicapped..my bad) Lets raise awareness...come on.... painting missiles or sitting in trees, flopping in the street etc.... are so played out. If you want to do something fucking "DO SOMETHING" Grab some power....convince some people to see it your way. Put your money where your mouth is. Frankly if a protester against or for anything gets in my way......that is the day the brakes on the car fail and I remember to wear the steel toes. Peace is only possible under the credible threat of force. Pick your government, pick your religion....they all boil down to that. As twisted as it works out nuns in jail keeps the peace >:P |
I apologize for the use of profanity in my previous post.
Don't know how I got so carried away. |
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One time we showed up in APC's (ammored personal carriers) I was manning a M60 machine gun when we ordered them to stop, but they refused and we needed to stop them so I fired a 6 round burst over their heads. Funny to see someone shit their pants, litterelly. |
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Don't expect a response from the opposition on your valid point. They are too busy bragging about all the nuns that they would happily murder if they were in charge. |
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I will try and say this one time: When you break into a nuclear storage or launch area that is a restricted area you are lucky if you are not killed justifiably. That is not civil disobedieance, this is a felony and a breach of national security. |
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when you break into a cargo ship in a harbor and throw the contents into the sea, that is not civil disobedience, that is a felony and a breach of security. when you are a black and sit in the white section of a bus, that is a felony and a breach of the law. when you refuse to pay justified taxes, you are committing a crime and breaking the law, and depriving the government of revenue needed for national security. How do those sound to you? Most recently, the government has enacted "protest zones" which herd legal protesters out of the view of the very events that they are protesting. Leaving the protest zone is "breaking the law". The goverment could just as easily outlaw all protests, so, under your logic, no protesting at all would now be allowed, since that would be breaking the law. A goverment like the one you apparently want to live in has a name: <i>Main Entry: fas·cism Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si- Function: noun Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces Date: 1921 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by <b>a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition</b> </i> Here are some quotes back at you. "Give me liberty or give me death." Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. --Senator Barry Goldwater They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety. --Benjamin Franklin The cost of liberty is less than the cost of repression. --WEB Dubois If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849 |
Damn it, HarmlessRabbit, you're not getting it! I suppose there's no reason that you should. There is a Hell of a difference between the actions you mention...and breaching the boundaries of a nuclear weapons storage facility. These are nuclear weapons, for christ's sake! The government, and the military in particular, leaves absolutely no room for fucking around with these things. Nuclear weapons security is taken <b>dead</b> seriously. That is as it should be. Protest all you fucking want <b><i>outside</b></i> the fence. Hell, I might even <i>agree</i> with your cause. I have no great love of nukes. But, breach that fence...you are very likely to get shot.
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No, bill o'Rights, you're the one that appears to be missing the issue. Allow me to pick out a few quotes from the posters.
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The issue is greater than the nuclear weapons issue. The people above, for the most part, appear to: - believe that civil disobedience, which this country was created from, is only ok if you don't break any laws. (discovering why this position is ridiculous is left to the reader as an exercise.) - apparently, the proper response to nuns armed with paint and signs is to joyously gun them down in cold blood, or set them on fire and "send them to hell." The arrogance and stupidity of the conservative side astounds me sometimes. I have *never* called for the death of Rush Limbaugh, for example, nor would I ever attempt to silence his right to free speech or protest. I wouldn't even joke about that. Totalitarianism and fascism isn't funny, especially today in the era of John Ashcroft. I don't see the difference between this act and the Boston Tea party. I don't see the difference between this act and Rosa Parks walking onto the white section of a bus, breaking the law and risking lynching. If Rosa Parks did what she did today, I guess the group posting here would shoot her, set her on fire, throw her in jail, and then bill her for the damage caused by any subsequent rioting that she caused. Frankly, the conservatives on this thread disgust me. Shooting and killing 60-year old nuns armed with buckets of paint is apparently good humor material for the Right. |
Civil disobediance is not okay. Are you planning to bring down the United States with these sorts of acts like said Boston tea party individuals did? Oh wait no, they were protesting England, not their own country. You almost tricked me, I'll get you liberals for continuously distorting history for your political gain, one day.
These people were in a place they knowingly shouldn't have been, with all the problems we've been having with terrorism lately, would I trust someone dressed up like a nun carrying tools? No. Should I? No. End of discussion, unless you have some sort of facts, rather then moral/idealistic attacks. And frankly, you should know the rules of this forum by now, calling people stupid, arrogant and disgusting is not acceptable. |
if they're guilty, shouldnt matter who they are or what their chose profession is....
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Or better yet why dont you run down to Toys-r-us and get a little plastic M-16(make sure you cover all that bright orange plastic with black paint) and then go do your civil lawlessness on that same base, see where that gets you. You do not get it, THEY WERE IN A RESTRICTED AREA THAT HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS ! They were not sitting in or peace marching for love and drugs. If you can not see the difference, well maybe you should lay off the peace, love and understanding mantra. |
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