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fallen_angel · 07-21-2003, 10:14 PM

you should be proud you live in america
the worst thing i have heard about flag stuff was in fayetteville arkansas there was a school there that actually had students demanding that the american flag be replaced with a mexican one.

Donkeypuncher · 07-21-2003, 10:21 PM

You people have obviously never been to Oregon. They must have gotten bored of looking for the black U.N. helicopters...

"Citizens of the world"?? Oh, no they didn't....
gak.

maynard0012 · 07-21-2003, 10:31 PM

That's one of the dumbest ways to protest against America I've heard. A government funded building like a school has every right to raise the American flag. The people protesting should find something useful to do instead of trivializing their complaints with petty issues like this.

Slims · 07-21-2003, 11:15 PM

What was that south park quote?

something like:

"If you aren't going to root for the home team, get the fuck out of the stadium"

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 11:43 PM

Just the "citizens of the world" is plain stupid anyways.

Anyways if a school or stuff forces people to do the pledge of allegiance then i can seriously say that is screwed up. They shouldn't force anyone who doesn't want to. People standing and not saluting fine, but forcing to is another.

As for the holocaust analogy.. he wasn't talking of the flag. he was saying if people didn't question the gov't then it would lead to such thigns which in a sense is true though the flag issue is something different.

Personally on the topic of running for office... i do wish it were easier for the not-so-rich but hey rich people make the rules and always leave openings for others of the club!

FeeJss · 07-22-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by BoCo
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Love it or leave it, assholes!

Stupid comments like this make me sorry to be an American. And before you give me your "America #1!! GO USA!" speech I want to tell you that I too think this idea of not having the US flag up is pretty dumb. But you could have expressed your comment in a more civilized fashion and not made yourself look like a “dumb American.”

Phaenx · 07-22-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by FeeJss
Stupid comments like this make me sorry to be an American. And before you give me your "America #1!! GO USA!" speech I want to tell you that I too think this idea of not having the US flag up is pretty dumb. But you could have expressed your comment in a more civilized fashion and not made yourself look like a “dumb American.”

People who like America are stupid, and not elaborating on said fondness makes them even more so.

That's an interesting theory, even if it's wrong. But I propose that people who don't read the forum rules and insist on insulting other members are the ones who deserve these types of vitriolic comments.

zfleebin · 07-22-2003, 02:52 PM

I didnt even to read the article to have an opinion. Freedom in this country is our biggest strength as well as ourt biggest weakness. For every freedom that is exercised in a positive way someone else can find a way to use that freedom to justify a hramful behavior or act. I love America and what it has given me in the way of freedom and I think one of its strengths is the public school system(at least in mycase) I pay taxes so others can be educated and that is a service of America. If you dont want your kid to be exposed to an American flag keep your child away from the institutions of America.

greytone · 07-22-2003, 04:17 PM

Immigration made this country great. Now we need some significant emigration to keep it great.

In other words, if you think this is such a terrible place, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way to whatever utopia you're sure is out there.

Kaos · 07-22-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by tikki
...then move to Cananda.

Fuck that...keep them outta my country

The_Dude · 07-22-2003, 05:32 PM

they have the right to protest all they want, and that doesnt mean they should leave the country.

my stance = it's state property and the state has the right to put state flags/banners up.

Glory's Sun · 07-22-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by BoCo
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Some don't like U.S. flag at school
'I want to raise my children to be citizens of the world'

"I feel our country is on a strong push towards imperialism, and we're not a democratic nation anymore. I want to raise my children to be citizens of the world, and the flag does not represent ideals I want to instill in my children. It represents dominance, greed, corporate power and not freedom. I think it even represents commercialism and consumerism."

"I think everyone in our community at Willow Wind should have a say in this," Julie Bedford told the Daily Tidings. "One person does not have the right to go above everyone's heads. It's completely the opposite of democracy."

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Love it or leave it, assholes!

Errmm last time I checked we were a REPUBLIC. The fact that the person said this was a democratic nation just proves her ignorance in any matter pertaining to the government and therefore her/his opinion shouldn't count on something so important as our nations flag. I can understand not liking what the government does sometimes but when you turn your back on the flag you are IMO in essence turning your back on your heritage and the men and women who shed their blood for that flag and for you. Things like this really bug me.

jmf1234 · 07-22-2003, 08:50 PM

i think the flag should fly outside the school because it is operated under taxpayers' money and i agree with most people's comments about these people being whiners, But they are voicing their opinions and last time i checked, we had the right to do that. there's no need to tell them to " Get the fuck out of my country" or that they should "Love it or leave it assholes" that attitude along with the how us americans are becoming greedier makes me dislike the state of our country. I still Love the land of the free and the home of the brave with alot of passion, however.

Phaenx · 07-22-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by jmf1234
i think the flag should fly outside the school because it is operated under taxpayers' money and i agree with most people's comments about these people being whiners, But they are voicing their opinions and last time i checked, we had the right to do that. there's no need to tell them to " Get the fuck out of my country" or that they should "Love it or leave it assholes" that attitude along with the how us americans are becoming greedier makes me dislike the state of our country. I still Love the land of the free and the home of the brave with alot of passion, however.

The point is they won't leave, because USA #1! But I'll keep in mind next time I feel like speaking up against idiocy that I don't have that particular right in this country that I enjoy so much.

Also, greed in our economic system is good. We want people to go out and strive to be the best, to get the fanciest car, and to have the biggest house, because that's why we're richer then the commies.

Zeld2.0 · 07-22-2003, 09:52 PM

... and why we also have some serious issues...

i dunno i think this thing has been beaten to death

now to find a picture of a bunch of people and a dead horse and you know what happens next

TioTaco · 07-22-2003, 10:17 PM

bastards... how come they can tell us we're evil and warmongers, but if we call them unpatirotic or say...... TRAITORS!! then we're bad people. if this was WWII those fuckers would be executed.

smooth · 07-22-2003, 10:44 PM

...as we cross into jingoism...

...BTW, TioTaco, no one told you that you were "evil and warmongers." Get a grip...

Last time I checked this doesn't even effect one of the people posting here in this thread. I went to the university in Ashland and am not offended by this--no surprise there?

Anyway, according to the passage, the "anti" people were in the majority. Also, this is "their" country, as well. That being the case, it seems more plausible that any "assholes" should just stay out of Ashland and allow the majority to decide what they want flying in their fucking community--isn't that what most of you argue?

Tow the line of the majority or get the fuck out of the country?

Well, tow the line of their community's majority and stay the fuck out of their business.

edit: if you want to see a flag waving around, drive 40 miles north to Grants Pass--don't worry, you won't miss 'em boys. Shit, *spit*, you might even see ones hangin' from dat thar big plastic caveman standing by the freeway exit.

Xell101 · 07-22-2003, 10:54 PM

Four words (really its three because on is hyphenated but you get the idea), Tough shit, and, shut-up

smooth · 07-22-2003, 10:57 PM

...never mind.

Xell101 · 07-22-2003, 11:02 PM

Vrsn 2.0
Four words: Tough shit, Shut up

Pennington · 07-23-2003, 12:22 AM

They are citizens of the US. The flag represents that. In international schools, they fly the flags of all their students. If they want to relinquish their citizenship and go to a non-public funded school, thats their choice. But as long as there are Americans going to a school paid for by American taxpayers, the admin should have the right to signify this. I'm not saying that the students should have to respect the flag, far from it. But the school was paid for by America, so it should be able to fly the American flag.

smooth · 07-23-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by Pennington
They are citizens of the US. The flag represents that. In international schools, they fly the flags of all their students. If they want to relinquish their citizenship and go to a non-public funded school, thats their choice. But as long as there are Americans going to a school paid for by American taxpayers, the admin should have the right to signify this. I'm not saying that the students should have to respect the flag, far from it. But the school was paid for by America, so it should be able to fly the American flag.

This isn't at a school.

The Willow Wind Community Learning Center is a government-funded facility that supports homeschoolers who live in the district but do not attend public schools.

These are people who have chosen to homeschool their children rather than utilize the public school system for their children's education--for whatever reason.

Evidently, the children have to go to this center for some particular reason--likely to take state mandated, standardized tests and other activities of that nature.
Obviously parents shouldn't have to expose their children to a flag they disagree with if they choose to educate their children at home, as they see fit, but are required to turn their homework in or take mandatory tests in a government subsidized building established by the same government they don't want educating and/or indoctrinating their children.

debaser · 07-23-2003, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by smooth
The Willow Wind Community Learning Center is a government-funded facility that supports homeschoolers who live in the district but do not attend public schools.

again...

The Willow Wind Community Learning Center is a government-funded facility that supports homeschoolers who live in the district but do not attend public schools.

one more time...

The Willow Wind Community Learning Center is a government-funded facility that supports homeschoolers who live in the district but do not attend public schools.

The_Dude · 07-23-2003, 08:17 AM

yes, it is a govt funded facility.

so shouldnt a tax paying citizen have the right to change the policies of the govt??

sportsrule101 · 07-23-2003, 08:20 AM

smooth
why do they live here then.
nm this discussion has been beaten to death

The_Dude · 07-23-2003, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by sportsrule101
smooth
why do they live here then.
nm this discussion has been beaten to death

cuz they have a right to!

just cuz you dont like a certain aspect of the country doesnt mean you should move out!

compare this situation with while u were livin w/ your parents. if you dont like a certain rule that they imposed, did you move out???

Lebell · 07-23-2003, 08:52 AM

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just cuz you dont like a certain aspect of the country doesnt mean you should move out!

The aspect they don't like is the flag, which represents the entire country, all of it's citizens, principles and ideals.

So yeah, I would say if they don't like that, maybe they should find a place that suits them better.

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compare this situation with while u were livin w/ your parents. if you dont like a certain rule that they imposed, did you move out???

Ummm yeah, I did.

The_Dude · 07-23-2003, 09:26 AM

lol, u are an exception then.

take another example.

the pledge. there are lots of people opposed to it cuz of "under god". so all those people should move out also?

everyone that doesnt agree with the majority opinion has to move out?

Pennington · 07-23-2003, 09:49 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If you don't like it, don't leave. Vote!

smooth · 07-23-2003, 10:09 AM

First of all, they don't need to leave--the people against the placing a flag at the facility in this community are in the majority. Like Pennington stated--why not vote? Ah, the lady suggested that, but the flag placing supporter complained that his "side" would lose because his views were in the minority.

So fucking what the facility is funded by tax dollars. It isn't funded by your tax dollars--it's funded by their local tax dollars and--guess what--they don't want a fucking flag there on a building funded by their tax dollars. Seems pretty clear cut to me--but then again, I don't contradict my own damn principles like the majority of posters in this thread have.

The flag doesn't merely represent all the good things in this country to everyone. Some people love this country yet don't want the flag waved in their faces currently and don't want it misused. The lady claimed she felt it was a symbol of corporate coruption.

This isn't a school--quit regurgitating the title and read the article. The government doesn't have an issue with this--if it did, the facility would have a flag because that's the law (if it were considered a school) in Oregon.

Guess what--this is one guy who wants to place a flag on the facility grounds. Yet, somehow you posters want to support that position, despite it going against the will of the majority in a local community who pay for the building and are required by law to utilize it, because you agree with the one boy.

It's pretty simple, really. Using the same argument that you so often employ--the whole community shouldn't move, the boy should move 40 minutes north and attend a school in Grants Pass where there are flags on every corner.

Some people equate this attitude with jingoism rather than an espousal of US values. Judging by the response on this thread--"Get the fuck out of the country"--it appears their fears and reticence to support such attitudes are well founded.

seretogis · 07-23-2003, 10:12 AM

If the parents don't like the US flag flying on the campus of their meathead children's school, they can send them to a private school. Any school that receives federal or state funds should have to abide by its rules. The "living at your parent's house" analogy is very valid, as the school (or meathead-training facility, whatever you want to call it) receives government funds. If it did not receive government funds, they could fly a flag with a swastika on it if they wanted, but they do. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about this.

smooth · 07-23-2003, 10:23 AM

*sigh*

You seem to have the difficulty:

These parents are homeschooling their children.

The facility (where they presumably have to take state mandated tests and drop off homework) is funded by their local tax dollars.

Why should they send them to a private school? Isn't home school the most private kind? Why should they be subjected to exposing their children to a teaching they don't want if they choose to educate their children at home but maintain a schedule with the local government because of state law dictating that children, even those educated at home, have to come to a government building to take their tests?

I'm surprised at the contention over this, actually. Where else do we have flags flying all over every corner and every government building despite the majority opinion on the matter?

Darkblack · 07-23-2003, 10:47 AM

I think people just need to step back and back up out of the box. Take a look at things from a different angle.

When Bush got elected, and really, I know I have said this before but I want to reiterate, THIS DEVISTATED ME! I was actually afraid for our country. I still am to a point. When we went to war I was pissed. I still do not think Iraq had to happen when it did. I think it was for profit and nothing more. I attended 3 peace marches in DC and wrote a dozen letters to people I thought should hear my opinion. I got to the point that I hated patriotism and the flag represented something I did not want to be a part of. I was being called a communist, unpatriotic, bleeding heart (which honestly I don't take offense too, I take more offense that people think this is a bad thing), and I was told to go move to Iraq.

That triggered a change in me and I stepped back and thought about everything. I live in this county and I love this country. Why? Because everything I stand for, I am aloud to stand for in this country. I am a patriot. I prove that I am a patriot every time I attend a rally or march and every time I send a letter to my congressman stating my opinion.

I think these people need to remember what that flag is meant to stand for. Yes this country was founded on some messed up things. We obliterated a race, enslaved another, and to this day we continue to handle some things improperly. BUT, we are free to voice our opinion and try and change things we think are wrong.

I think people need to pick their battles more wisely.

Sorry for rambling on....

reconmike · 07-23-2003, 05:15 PM

I can probably say that $.01 of my annual tax bill goes to fund this school.

Oregon recieves federal education money, which in turn has local school grants, so this little hippie town is recieving MY money.

How nice it must be to despise a symbol while living under the protection of it.
I will not tell them to get out of my country because they are hypocrites, they choose to live in a country that they do not want their children to grow in, but enjoy the very freedoms the flag represents.

Zeld2.0 · 07-23-2003, 05:20 PM

I pretty much agree with you Darkblack - I felt similar things but I realized that sure they're taking my tax money and what not - buts it their right and its something all Americans have to cope with. Don't like it? Complain to your congressman and remember that if they don't want to do anything about it, then next time around dont vote for em.

Its too bad though, the U.S. being the greatest place to live in yet the flaws can still get to ya.

TawG · 07-23-2003, 05:54 PM

if i ever saw a flag, any flag, at my school i would burn it

reconmike · 07-23-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by TawG
if i ever saw a flag, any flag, at my school i would burn it

What school do you go to?

Ill be right over with my flag...try and burn it.

The_Dude · 07-23-2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by reconmike
What school do you go to?

Ill be right over with my flag...try and burn it.

i'd like to see both of you do what you said you would do

07-23-2003, 06:43 PM

Some scary nationalists in this thread.

Phaenx · 07-23-2003, 07:32 PM

nationalist

adj : devotion to the interests or culture of a particular nation including promoting the interests of one country over those of others; "nationalist aspirations"; "minor nationalistic differences" [syn: nationalistic] n : one who loves and defends his or her country [syn: patriot]

Damn straight.

07-21-2003, 10:14 PM	#41 (permalink)
fallen_angel Psycho Location: Somewhere between the Havens and the Earth	you should be proud you live in america the worst thing i have heard about flag stuff was in fayetteville arkansas there was a school there that actually had students demanding that the american flag be replaced with a mexican one. __________________ from the Havens I have fallen. . . to the earth as a mangled form. . . writhing in pain, my wings torn and bloodied. . . I have one purpose, only one goal. . . to find you and love you, for I am your. . . fallen angel

07-21-2003, 10:21 PM	#42 (permalink)
Donkeypuncher Psycho Location: Pasadena, CA	You people have obviously never been to Oregon. They must have gotten bored of looking for the black U.N. helicopters... "Citizens of the world"?? Oh, no they didn't.... gak. __________________ "take me down, little Susie, take me down I know you think you're the Queen of The Underground"

07-21-2003, 11:15 PM	#44 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	What was that south park quote? something like: "If you aren't going to root for the home team, get the fuck out of the stadium" __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

07-22-2003, 04:17 PM	#49 (permalink)
greytone Junkie	Immigration made this country great. Now we need some significant emigration to keep it great. In other words, if you think this is such a terrible place, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way to whatever utopia you're sure is out there. __________________ I was there to see beautiful naked women. So was everybody else. It's a common failing. Robert A Heinlein in "They Do It With Mirrors"

07-22-2003, 05:32 PM	#51 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	they have the right to protest all they want, and that doesnt mean they should leave the country. my stance = it's state property and the state has the right to put state flags/banners up. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-21-2003, 10:31 PM	#43 (permalink)
maynard0012 Upright	That's one of the dumbest ways to protest against America I've heard. A government funded building like a school has every right to raise the American flag. The people protesting should find something useful to do instead of trivializing their complaints with petty issues like this.

07-21-2003, 11:43 PM	#45 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Just the "citizens of the world" is plain stupid anyways. Anyways if a school or stuff forces people to do the pledge of allegiance then i can seriously say that is screwed up. They shouldn't force anyone who doesn't want to. People standing and not saluting fine, but forcing to is another. As for the holocaust analogy.. he wasn't talking of the flag. he was saying if people didn't question the gov't then it would lead to such thigns which in a sense is true though the flag issue is something different. Personally on the topic of running for office... i do wish it were easier for the not-so-rich but hey rich people make the rules and always leave openings for others of the club!

07-22-2003, 02:52 PM	#48 (permalink)
zfleebin Addict	I didnt even to read the article to have an opinion. Freedom in this country is our biggest strength as well as ourt biggest weakness. For every freedom that is exercised in a positive way someone else can find a way to use that freedom to justify a hramful behavior or act. I love America and what it has given me in the way of freedom and I think one of its strengths is the public school system(at least in mycase) I pay taxes so others can be educated and that is a service of America. If you dont want your kid to be exposed to an American flag keep your child away from the institutions of America.

07-22-2003, 08:50 PM	#53 (permalink)
jmf1234 Insane Location: Steel City ( the 'Burgh)	i think the flag should fly outside the school because it is operated under taxpayers' money and i agree with most people's comments about these people being whiners, But they are voicing their opinions and last time i checked, we had the right to do that. there's no need to tell them to " Get the fuck out of my country" or that they should "Love it or leave it assholes" that attitude along with the how us americans are becoming greedier makes me dislike the state of our country. I still Love the land of the free and the home of the brave with alot of passion, however. __________________ Let's go Pitt, we're set for victory Sex is like bridge: If you don't have a good partner, you better have a good hand. -- Charles Pierce

07-22-2003, 09:52 PM	#55 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	... and why we also have some serious issues... i dunno i think this thing has been beaten to death now to find a picture of a bunch of people and a dead horse and you know what happens next

07-22-2003, 10:17 PM	#56 (permalink)
TioTaco Banned	bastards... how come they can tell us we're evil and warmongers, but if we call them unpatirotic or say...... TRAITORS!! then we're bad people. if this was WWII those fuckers would be executed.

07-22-2003, 10:44 PM	#57 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	...as we cross into jingoism... ...BTW, TioTaco, no one told you that you were "evil and warmongers." Get a grip... Last time I checked this doesn't even effect one of the people posting here in this thread. I went to the university in Ashland and am not offended by this--no surprise there? Anyway, according to the passage, the "anti" people were in the majority. Also, this is "their" country, as well. That being the case, it seems more plausible that any "assholes" should just stay out of Ashland and allow the majority to decide what they want flying in their fucking community--isn't that what most of you argue? Tow the line of the majority or get the fuck out of the country? Well, tow the line of their community's majority and stay the fuck out of their business. edit: if you want to see a flag waving around, drive 40 miles north to Grants Pass--don't worry, you won't miss 'em boys. Shit, spit, you might even see ones hangin' from dat thar big plastic caveman standing by the freeway exit. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman Last edited by smooth; 07-22-2003 at 10:47 PM..

07-22-2003, 10:54 PM	#58 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	Four words (really its three because on is hyphenated but you get the idea), Tough shit, and, shut-up

07-22-2003, 10:57 PM	#59 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	...never mind. Last edited by smooth; 07-22-2003 at 11:02 PM..

07-22-2003, 11:02 PM	#60 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	Vrsn 2.0 Four words: Tough shit, Shut up

07-23-2003, 12:22 AM	#61 (permalink)
Pennington Banned Location: Autonomous Zone	They are citizens of the US. The flag represents that. In international schools, they fly the flags of all their students. If they want to relinquish their citizenship and go to a non-public funded school, thats their choice. But as long as there are Americans going to a school paid for by American taxpayers, the admin should have the right to signify this. I'm not saying that the students should have to respect the flag, far from it. But the school was paid for by America, so it should be able to fly the American flag.

07-23-2003, 08:17 AM	#64 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	yes, it is a govt funded facility. so shouldnt a tax paying citizen have the right to change the policies of the govt?? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-23-2003, 08:20 AM	#65 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	smooth why do they live here then. nm this discussion has been beaten to death __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-23-2003, 09:26 AM	#68 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	lol, u are an exception then. take another example. the pledge. there are lots of people opposed to it cuz of "under god". so all those people should move out also? everyone that doesnt agree with the majority opinion has to move out? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-23-2003, 09:49 AM	#69 (permalink)
Pennington Banned Location: Autonomous Zone	I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you don't like it, don't leave. Vote!

07-23-2003, 10:09 AM	#70 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	First of all, they don't need to leave--the people against the placing a flag at the facility in this community are in the majority. Like Pennington stated--why not vote? Ah, the lady suggested that, but the flag placing supporter complained that his "side" would lose because his views were in the minority. So fucking what the facility is funded by tax dollars. It isn't funded by your tax dollars--it's funded by their local tax dollars and--guess what--they don't want a fucking flag there on a building funded by their tax dollars. Seems pretty clear cut to me--but then again, I don't contradict my own damn principles like the majority of posters in this thread have. The flag doesn't merely represent all the good things in this country to everyone. Some people love this country yet don't want the flag waved in their faces currently and don't want it misused. The lady claimed she felt it was a symbol of corporate coruption. This isn't a school--quit regurgitating the title and read the article. The government doesn't have an issue with this--if it did, the facility would have a flag because that's the law (if it were considered a school) in Oregon. Guess what--this is one guy who wants to place a flag on the facility grounds. Yet, somehow you posters want to support that position, despite it going against the will of the majority in a local community who pay for the building and are required by law to utilize it, because you agree with the one boy. It's pretty simple, really. Using the same argument that you so often employ--the whole community shouldn't move, the boy should move 40 minutes north and attend a school in Grants Pass where there are flags on every corner. Some people equate this attitude with jingoism rather than an espousal of US values. Judging by the response on this thread--"Get the fuck out of the country"--it appears their fears and reticence to support such attitudes are well founded. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

07-23-2003, 10:12 AM	#71 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	If the parents don't like the US flag flying on the campus of their meathead children's school, they can send them to a private school. Any school that receives federal or state funds should have to abide by its rules. The "living at your parent's house" analogy is very valid, as the school (or meathead-training facility, whatever you want to call it) receives government funds. If it did not receive government funds, they could fly a flag with a swastika on it if they wanted, but they do. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about this. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

07-23-2003, 10:23 AM	#72 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	sigh You seem to have the difficulty: These parents are homeschooling their children. The facility (where they presumably have to take state mandated tests and drop off homework) is funded by their local tax dollars. Why should they send them to a private school? Isn't home school the most private kind? Why should they be subjected to exposing their children to a teaching they don't want if they choose to educate their children at home but maintain a schedule with the local government because of state law dictating that children, even those educated at home, have to come to a government building to take their tests? I'm surprised at the contention over this, actually. Where else do we have flags flying all over every corner and every government building despite the majority opinion on the matter? __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman

07-23-2003, 10:47 AM	#73 (permalink)
Darkblack Banned Location: Pennsytuckia	I think people just need to step back and back up out of the box. Take a look at things from a different angle. When Bush got elected, and really, I know I have said this before but I want to reiterate, THIS DEVISTATED ME! I was actually afraid for our country. I still am to a point. When we went to war I was pissed. I still do not think Iraq had to happen when it did. I think it was for profit and nothing more. I attended 3 peace marches in DC and wrote a dozen letters to people I thought should hear my opinion. I got to the point that I hated patriotism and the flag represented something I did not want to be a part of. I was being called a communist, unpatriotic, bleeding heart (which honestly I don't take offense too, I take more offense that people think this is a bad thing), and I was told to go move to Iraq. That triggered a change in me and I stepped back and thought about everything. I live in this county and I love this country. Why? Because everything I stand for, I am aloud to stand for in this country. I am a patriot. I prove that I am a patriot every time I attend a rally or march and every time I send a letter to my congressman stating my opinion. I think these people need to remember what that flag is meant to stand for. Yes this country was founded on some messed up things. We obliterated a race, enslaved another, and to this day we continue to handle some things improperly. BUT, we are free to voice our opinion and try and change things we think are wrong. I think people need to pick their battles more wisely. Sorry for rambling on....

07-23-2003, 05:15 PM	#74 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	I can probably say that $.01 of my annual tax bill goes to fund this school. Oregon recieves federal education money, which in turn has local school grants, so this little hippie town is recieving MY money. How nice it must be to despise a symbol while living under the protection of it. I will not tell them to get out of my country because they are hypocrites, they choose to live in a country that they do not want their children to grow in, but enjoy the very freedoms the flag represents. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

07-23-2003, 05:20 PM	#75 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	I pretty much agree with you Darkblack - I felt similar things but I realized that sure they're taking my tax money and what not - buts it their right and its something all Americans have to cope with. Don't like it? Complain to your congressman and remember that if they don't want to do anything about it, then next time around dont vote for em. Its too bad though, the U.S. being the greatest place to live in yet the flaws can still get to ya.

07-23-2003, 05:54 PM	#76 (permalink)
TawG Crazy	if i ever saw a flag, any flag, at my school i would burn it

07-23-2003, 06:43 PM	#79 (permalink)
LDeer Guest	Some scary nationalists in this thread.

07-23-2003, 07:32 PM	#80 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	nationalist adj : devotion to the interests or culture of a particular nation including promoting the interests of one country over those of others; "nationalist aspirations"; "minor nationalistic differences" [syn: nationalistic] n : one who loves and defends his or her country [syn: patriot] Damn straight. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy