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genuinegirly · 02-23-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

What if the child is given latex condemns and they have an allergy to latex. Is PP going to know? The symptoms can be very confusing to a child, would they diagnose the allergy properly?

My 8 year-old nephew has allergies to peanuts and eggs. He has been reading package labels since he was 6, and has become quite proficient at explaining his dietary needs to adults.
If your kid can't keep track of his basic medical history, you should really consider working on that with him. It's one of those basic skills that he'll need in a couple of years as an adult.
If you're concerned about the ability of these physicians to deal with such a dilemma without your assistance, you need to step back and realize they have far more training than you.

As for other stuff...
A person can choose or not choose to provide their medical history to ANY physician they choose to see. I've had to sign reams of paper and fax or hand-deliver all sorts of paperwork to get my team of physicians to make sure they have all of the information possible to best deal with my woman-specific issues.
Planned Parenthood is no different in that respect from any other medical group. "No questions asked" can go both ways - someone who is truly concerned about their own health would make sure they ask the right questions and obtain the best possible care.

aceventura3 · 02-25-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

ace, I tried taking you seriously, but its like banging my head against the wall.
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You ignore studies I post or deflect them with more questions, you offer unsubstantiated claims about PP practices, you ignore facts about PP....

And you conclude with some childish remark....just another deflection.

Even people who wholeheartedly support PP should be willing to periodically take an objective look at their operations, ask questions and seek ways to improve the organization. Your response suggests that you don't care or that it is really about your venting against those who want to make abortion illegal.

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Originally Posted by filtherton

That's the problem with your random analogies, though. When you bring up ritalin as a problem because of over eager administrators and bureaucrats as a comparison to PP, it makes it seem like you aren't aware that bureaucrats aren't in charge of treatment at PP. You do know that they have licensed medical professionals, just like the folks at your doctor's office, right?

Yes.

I have never been to a PP clinic, but I have been to clinics run in low income areas with those licensed medical professionals that you refer to. If you have ever been to one of these low income clinics, you would know that if you are lucky you get a medical professional who is "fresh", "motivated" and eager to make a difference, there are those in the middle and you have some that have totally burned-out.

I was poor once, and i lived in a low income minority neighborhood. I think I may be aware of issues that do not appear in formal studies. Or perhaps when they say shit like 99% success, which is good unless you are in the 1%, I actually think about that 1%

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Originally Posted by genuinegirly

My 8 year-old nephew has allergies to peanuts and eggs. He has been reading package labels since he was 6, and has become quite proficient at explaining his dietary needs to adults.
If your kid can't keep track of his basic medical history, you should really consider working on that with him. It's one of those basic skills that he'll need in a couple of years as an adult.
If you're concerned about the ability of these physicians to deal with such a dilemma without your assistance, you need to step back and realize they have far more training than you.

Again, this seems to gloss over the issue. Are you really trying to argue against comprehensive care for children by saying that they should be trained to fully understand, be able and willing to communicate their medical histories in a PP clinic when they may be in a highly confused or emotional state. Or even possibly under duress.

I know this concern of mine is not on the radar of any of you folks here, and I have not seen any objective data and perhaps it is not a legitimate concern - and if it is not that is a good thing.

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As for other stuff...
A person can choose or not choose to provide their medical history to ANY physician they choose to see. I've had to sign reams of paper and fax or hand-deliver all sorts of paperwork to get my team of physicians to make sure they have all of the information possible to best deal with my woman-specific issues.
Planned Parenthood is no different in that respect from any other medical group. "No questions asked" can go both ways - someone who is truly concerned about their own health would make sure they ask the right questions and obtain the best possible care.

My concerns are with children. I expect adults to be able to handle their medical issues.

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I shared the story of Tiffany Wright in another thread, a sad story I will never forget. The system failed Tiffany - would PP have done the right thing if they knew this 15 year-old girl got pregnant by a 36 year-old man who eventually murdered her?

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15-year-old Tiffany Wright's foster mother walked the girl to her school bus stop this morning, but was heading back home to get her a glass of water. That's when she heard three shots. She went outside to find Tiffany, eight months pregnant, shot in the head and a car speeding away.

Tiffany was pronounced dead this morning, but doctors managed to save her baby. The child is now in critical condition at Carolinas Medical Center.

Police already have a suspect, but haven't identified him. They'd cordoned off the neighborhood this morning in search for the killer.

UPDATE: Charlotte police have now named Tiffany's foster brother Royce Anthony Mitchell, 36, as a "person of interest" in her murder. He was interviewed by investigators Monday, and the cops have issued warrants on him for the statutory rape of his adopted sister and taking liberties with a minor. They're also looking to see if he's the father of her newborn baby...
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Royce Mitchell knew police were on his trail for statutory rape

Mitchell, who works for the city's maintenance department, has a previous conviction in Buffalo for conspiring the sell drugs. He served five years. Prior to his conviction, he played quarterback for the semi-pro Buffalo Lancers.

Though he has no record in North Carolina, his wife took out a restraining order last year, but the case was later dismissed.
Tiffany also lived in Buffalo before moving to Charlotte, but she was placed in foster care after her mother lost custody for unknown reasons. She was attending Hawthorne High School in a special program for expectant teens. Principal Tracey Pickard described her as a smart, dedicated student who impressed her teachers.

UPDATE II: Tiffany Wright's life might have been saved -- if only Charlotte's sex crime unit knew she was in danger.

Detectives first learned on July 27 that Tiffany was likely the victim of statutory rape by her foster brother, Royce Mitchell. The tip came from a social worker who visited Tiffany's home. At the time, she was already five months pregnant. But it wasn't until last week the investigators prepared to arrest Mitchell. A prosecutor was prepared to sign off on his arrest warrant. But before police could move forward, the girl was gunned down as she waited for a school bus.

There's good chance Tiffany was a victim of an underfunded bureaucracy. In Charlotte, sex crime detectives are often juggling 25 cases at a time. Most departments don't adequately fund these units, in part due to budget constraints, in part due to the traditionally low emphasis placed on crimes like rape. So Charlotte detectives first hunt the cases where the victim is deemed in danger. Tiffany didn't seem to meet that standard.

Police say they attempted to interview Mitchell multiple times, but he declined.

Tiffany had been adopted by his mother, Alma Wright. But when she died in January, Mitchell was given temporary custody of the 15-year-old. He flunked a home assessment by social workers, however, and Tiffany was placed in foster care, where she was living at the time of her slaying.

Despite the unfortunate circumstances of her pregnancy, friends say she was looking forward to being a mother. As they tell, she was hoping to be the good mom she never had.

[UPDATE] Tiffany Wright, 15 and Pregnant, Shot at Charlotte School Bus Stop - True Crime Report

Don't tell me this is a diversion or that it has no relevance to PP - it does and if you don't see it - it is your problem.

filtherton · 02-25-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

Yes.

I have never been to a PP clinic, but I have been to clinics run in low income areas with those licensed medical professionals that you refer to. If you have ever been to one of these low income clinics, you would know that if you are lucky you get a medical professional who is "fresh", "motivated" and eager to make a difference, there are those in the middle and you have some that have totally burned-out.

I was poor once, and i lived in a low income minority neighborhood. I think I may be aware of issues that do not appear in formal studies. Or perhaps when they say shit like 99% success, which is good unless you are in the 1%, I actually think about that 1%

Okay, well, this has nothing to do with your point about how the people providing care at PP are just like overeager school administrators pushing ritalin, so I'm not sure why you've brought it up.

In any case, the fact that you lived in a poor neighborhood doesn't make you uniquely qualified to question the care provided at PP. I've lived in poor, primarily minority neighborhoods before too and there were just as many misguided folks in that neighborhood than in the "better" neighborhoods I've lived in. It isn't an experience that guarantees instant credibility on any issue.

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I shared the story of Tiffany Wright in another thread, a sad story I will never forget. The system failed Tiffany - would PP have done the right thing if they knew this 15 year-old girl got pregnant by a 36 year-old man who eventually murdered her?

What would you have had PP do? How do you think a primary care clinic would have done things differently than PP?

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Don't tell me this is a diversion or that it has no relevance to PP - it does and if you don't see it - it is your problem.

Actually, if people don't find your premises plausible, it is your problem, because you are failing to make a convincing argument.