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Old 04-22-2003, 04:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bill O'Reilly: "Canada may deserve a cold US shoulder"

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Oh, Canada, what the heck is going on? In a staggering display of in-your-face defiance, the Canadian government now says it will not turn over any members of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's crew if they show up in Canada, including the dictator himself! Canadian Defense Minister John McCallum says his government would give Saddam only to the World Court at The Hague.
This unprovoked belligerence comes after Prime Minister Jean Chretien gleefully pilloried the Bush administration over fighting Iraq every chance he got. Chretien and his cohorts have made no secret of their disdain for President Bush, and the Canadian press generally has been brutal to America in portraying the war.

In response, Bush has canceled a trip next month to Ottawa, and it would be wise not to send him an autographed picture of the Montreal Canadiens hockey team. That's because Montreal fans recently booed the national anthem before a game with the Islanders.

But it doesn't end there. When a group of Boston kids went up to Montreal to play in a peewee hockey tournament, they were taunted not only by the Canadian kids, but also by the referees. Eh?

My question is this: Do the Canadian people have any idea how close they are to serious pain here?

Canada's economy is utterly dependent on the U.S. Americans pump more than $10 billion directly into it every year. Nine million of us cross the northern border more than 40 million times annually, and we buy lots of stuff that is heavily taxed by the tax-and-spend Canadian government. So what happens if we all emulate Bush and just say no to the land of snow? Canada's economy melts.

A loosely organized boycott of French goods has brought immediate pain to the wine and travel industries in that country. One analyst told me French wine consumption in the U.S. is down 10%, and travel to Paris is off by more than 20%, with almost record low bookings for the summer. If the same economic pressure were applied to Canada, the results would be much more intense.

And herein lies the problem. Most Americans are not mean people and don't want to hurt working-class Canadians. It is Chretien who's the problem, and he's out of office in less than a year. But there comes a point when enough is enough, and Canadians should understand that storm clouds are gathering to the south. Humiliating American kids in a hockey rink is simply not acceptable. Thumbing your nose at 127 dead Americans in Iraq by making defiant statements about where Saddam should be extradited is not wise.

Millions of Americans are beginning to realize their buying power is not only a democratic choice, but can be used as a weapon against people who are hostile to us. No American is under any obligation to buy any product, foreign or domestic. I'm sure the Molson beer people understand that Budweiser fits in the cooler as well.

So I am giving the haughty Chretien one more chance, because I have always liked and respected the Canadian people. I am not going to travel north this summer, but I'm not boycotting Canadian products as I am with France.

But hear this, Mr. Prime Minister: One more cheap shot, one more insult directed at the U.S. by you or your minions, and I'll give you a very accurate long-range forecast: It's gonna get mighty cold mighty fast west of the St. Lawrence.
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Old 04-22-2003, 05:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So I am giving the haughty Chretien one more chance, because I have always liked and respected the Canadian people.
Who does he think he is, God or something? What a Moron!
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Old 04-22-2003, 05:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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1) Canada is right about the Iraqi people. If they were to go to Canada (highly unlikely), they should not be handed over to the US. Why would they be? Did they commit crimes in the US? Nope. They should be handed over to either a UN tribunal, or to the Iraqi people. I prefer the latter, 'cause they'd have the death penalty.

2) US people mock the Canadians all the time, so grow up.

3) I don't know who Bill O'Reilly is, but he sounds like a complete arse.
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Old 04-22-2003, 05:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If i'm not mistaken, this is the Bill O'Reilly who writes a column in Sports Illustrated every month. I don't know who put him in charge of US foreign policy?? I'm with you Dragonlinch, the US is not the international court of war crimes, no matter how badly they wish they were.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Bill O'Reilly is mad at Canada eh? Good, now I know Canada has chosen the right path. The man is a moron.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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If i'm not mistaken, this is the Bill O'Reilly who writes a column in Sports Illustrated every month. I don't know who put him in charge of US foreign policy??
actually that's Rick Reilly who writes for SI. Bill O'Reilly is a former tabloid reporter and current FoxNews commentator. Both men are morons, so I can understand the confusion.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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you guys are too soft. if there are war criminals in other countries they should be handed over to the US. what right does the UN have to do anything???? they didn't do shit to stop the problem, and now they think they should control the outcome.

back to this whole canada issue. i don't mean to offend any US-friendly, canadian tfpers by saying this. The main reason canadian and other countries' politicians are mad at the US is because their pride is hurt knowing we have more power than they do. They talk alot of shit because that is all they can do. They could care less between doing right and wrong just as long as they are the ones with the power to make that decision. As soon as someone else tells them what to do they are automatically against it.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Chretien is being French Canadian, emphasis on the French part.

I may have to re-evaluate my dislike for him down another notch or two.
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:53 AM   #9 (permalink)
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TaLoN... the US is *not* the sole arbitrator of right and wrong in the world. We've got UN courts for that precise purpose.

If the US were to convict and execute the likes of Saddam, there's a good chance he'll be seen as a martyr by many extremist Muslims. If the UN convicts him, the whole thing will have more credibility, even with these morons. Now, if Iraq were to convict these bastards themselves... that'd be perfect.
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Old 04-22-2003, 10:40 AM   #10 (permalink)
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o'reilly's job is to piss people off, it gets more people to watch his show. half the time i agree with him, the other half i don't.

but booing a national anthem is DISGRACEFUL, not matter where you come from.

if this is true, then the pm needs to think things through.
but i think that this is not entirely true.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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3) I don't know who Bill O'Reilly is, but he sounds like a complete arse.
He is one of the smartest men on the planet and I agree with him about 95% of the time. Now included.

He's had a couple of #1 best selling books and his show on Fox News does great too. You either love him or hate him.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:19 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This guy reasons like an eight year old. Does anybody take him as serious?
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:23 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Chretien is being French Canadian, emphasis on the French part.

I may have to re-evaluate my dislike for him down another notch or two.
*sigh*

As I said in the old TFP, comparing French-Canadians to the French is like comparing Americans to the British. Just because we were colonised by them doesn't mean we are like them. I am French-Canadian and I disagree with France's posturing almost as adamantly as some Americans do.

Also, while it is true that Canada relies heavily on US money, I doubt that any sort of boycott would last long enough to have any serious impact on our economy, due to the sheer volume of goods and services that pass from one country to the other.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:32 AM   #14 (permalink)
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TaLoN... the US is *not* the sole arbitrator of right and wrong in the world. We've got UN courts for that precise purpose.

If the US were to convict and execute the likes of Saddam, there's a good chance he'll be seen as a martyr by many extremist Muslims. If the UN convicts him, the whole thing will have more credibility, even with these morons. Now, if Iraq were to convict these bastards themselves... that'd be perfect.
but in this case the US has been making the right decisions. Other people of the world are disagreeing with us because like i said before, they don't like being bossed around. The UN is a POS because it is made up mostly by these whiny countries that are too weak on their own. just be glad im not president and that those countries still exist.

i would disagree if the government decided to execute saddam and i don't think they would because of what you said above.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
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This guy reasons like an eight year old. Does anybody take him as serious?
His tv show ratings are obcene. His book "The No Spin Zone" also has obcene sales. He has tons of fans, most conservatives love him, most liberals think he's a moron.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:37 AM   #16 (permalink)
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He is one of the smartest men on the planet
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funny how people see things. Some see him as smart, others see him as a moron.

Both sides have been booing each other’s anthem for years especially during the playoffs. I wouldn't do it because it shows lack of respect. But to get all upset over it is a wee bit childish IMO.

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But hear this, Mr. Prime Minister: One more cheap shot, one more insult directed at the U.S. by you or your minions, and I'll give you a very accurate long-range forecast: It's gonna get mighty cold mighty fast west of the St. Lawrence.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:41 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Wonder how fast we could conquer Canada? Won't happen but it's fun to think.
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Old 04-22-2003, 11:57 AM   #18 (permalink)
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we could turn all of BC into one big park! not that it isn't close to that now, but we could fix the parking.

What would we do with the rest of Canada?
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Old 04-22-2003, 12:02 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Old 04-22-2003, 01:05 PM   #20 (permalink)
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o'reilly's job is to piss people off, it gets more people to watch his show.
Exactly. I can't believe some people actually take him seriously ..
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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what the heck? everyone that disagrees w/ US foreign policy deserves punishment?
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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oooh! I'm trembling in my mukluks.
HAH! You wear those!?

The_Dude, to answer your question. For the most part I would have to say yes. In this situation, fuck yes. I mean damn, the fucking Canadians said they would not turn in Saddam or any of his henchmen to the US if they wound up in Canaduh. I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't want those fuckers that close to the US. Do you not see anything wrong with that?
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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well, that's their foreign policy.

we may object to it, the same way they object to our foreign policy.
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Old 04-22-2003, 02:36 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I'd bet in the Canadians were ever looking for a fucking mad man that wanted all Canadins dead and we found them hiding in America we would turn them over.
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:08 PM   #25 (permalink)
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canadians and americans are very different.


canada is a very peaceful country that does not allow nukes to be present.

it's highly unlikely for them to join a pre-emptive strike.

and it's highly likely of them to provide asylum.
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:33 PM   #26 (permalink)
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canadians and americans are very different.


canada is a very peaceful country that does not allow nukes to be present.

it's highly unlikely for them to join a pre-emptive strike.

and it's highly likely of them to provide asylum.
Just like they harbored US draft dodgers during the vietnam war.

They are peaceful because they have the biggest badass nation that ever walked the earth to their south.
Which means Canada does not really have to worry about defending themselves now do they?
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Old 04-22-2003, 03:41 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Great point reconmike. That's exactly what I would have said. The funny thing is if anyone ever attacked Canaduh we would strike back before they did cause there's no way in hell we'd let someone try to take over a country that close to us.
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we could turn all of BC into one big park! not that it isn't close to that now, but we could fix the parking.

What would we do with the rest of Canada?
cut down all the trees for lumber, break up the ice for ice cubes, then use the women like lab rats to test the limits of shaving razors.
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Old 04-22-2003, 05:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
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what the heck? everyone that disagrees w/ US foreign policy deserves punishment?
You're not allowed to boycott a nations goods because you hate them? We have that freedom in America, if you can organize a widescale boycott like we did against France then you can really strike back at the people who hurt you. I think it's more appealing then booing someones national anthem and taunting their children.
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o'reilly's job is to piss people off, it gets more people to watch his show.
I agree with that statement. Some of the stuff he spouts is very disturbing. I can't believe that FOX News claims the slogans “Fair and Balanced” or “We Report." There isn't anything balanced about their coverage.

Did you read that he came out against Pony shoes? They hired Jenna Jameson to appear in shoe commercials. O’Reilly complained that Pony was “hoping that hard core sex will lead to the purchase of sneakers.” Funny, he must not watch the programming on Fox.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:45 PM   #31 (permalink)
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hold up..........so every time a nation pisses of another nation w/ it's foreign policy, a trade sanction is next?
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Fun is fun but lets remember that a large number of our members are from Canada and lets not be insulting fellow members.
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Old 04-22-2003, 07:10 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Bill O'Reilly may deserve a tequila enema. (Course, then they'd need a microscope to be able to film what was left.)

I'd provide a link to the "National Organization to Shoot Bill O'Reilly into the Sun" but the site has gone defunct. No doubt spun out of existance.
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Bill O'Reilly may deserve a tequila enema. (Course, then they'd need a microscope to be able to film what was left.)

I'd provide a link to the "National Organization to Shoot Bill O'Reilly into the Sun" but the site has gone defunct. No doubt spun out of existance.

he's too far damn right wing
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Old 04-22-2003, 07:48 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Ha, Go aghead, boycott our oil, our natural gas, our lumber.

You will be paying 6 bucks a gallon!!!!

Conquer us, maybe, but you wouldn't be able to hang on to us. You are going to have your hands full with Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 10 years. By the end of this you are all probably going to wish you had never bothered. It's going to cost you billions your sagging economy doesn't have, and prove to be an albatrose around your necks.

As far as that goes, the world opinion is still very much against the USA. Canada didn't support the US, neither did Mexico, neither did ANY other country in the Central or Southern America except Chile I believe. But next to Israel and Egypt, they draw the most foreign aid from the US, so their support is somewhat questionable.

China, Russia, France, Germany, they didn't support you either.

But you did have Slovenia on your side.

And by the way, i went to the Leafs (sob) game game against the Minnesota Wild (dumb name) and the US national anthem received a standing ovation. So there.

I love Americans, I just hate your war hawk gov't and George Bush IS a moron.

Hell on September 11, when planes were being diverted into Toronto because US airspace was closed, i called up an emergency number and offered to billet any stranded travelers in my home for free. As it turned out, there was no need, but the offer was made.

In several Canadian cities, thousands of Americans were taken in for 3 or 4 days while the Sept 11 problem was sorted out.

And there was that time in Iran when your people were held hostage for 444 days by a bunch of madmen, and Ken Taylor and the Canadian embassy staff took in several Americans who managed to escape and hid them there in the Canadian embassy, eventually smuggling them out on a Canadian military transport at risk to their own lives. And that was after the Americans had visited 2 other foreign embassies and were told that they could not stay.

Oh how quickly they forget.
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:08 PM   #36 (permalink)
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but in this case the US has been making the right decisions. Other people of the world are disagreeing with us because like i said before, they don't like being bossed around. The UN is a POS because it is made up mostly by these whiny countries that are too weak on their own. just be glad im not president and that those countries still exist.

i would disagree if the government decided to execute saddam and i don't think they would because of what you said above.
Contrary to popular belief, not *everyone* in the world disagrees with the US in this case. I support the attack on Iraq, as does my government. Your whole argument about people hating you for bossing them around is bullshit, it's just not that simple, okay?

I am indeed glad you are not President, because you sound a bit too uninformed to survive daily international politics.

As I said before: Saddam should be handed over to the UN war crimes tribunal in the Hague (similar to Milosovic), or to Iraq.

Oh, and Canada did *not* say they would let Saddam and friends just stay there if they came. They would send them over to the UN court. What is wrong with that??? He would be given (at least) a life sentence there, convicted by the entire world, instead of *one* country that defeated him in combat. At least the UN court would be seen as impartial.
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Old 04-23-2003, 11:55 AM   #38 (permalink)
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there is no such thing as being "informed" of politics. the working definition of politics is manipulating information to get people to do what you want them to do. When dealing with politics you should use your instincts and stop listening to the monkeys in charge. Everyone has a hidden agenda... plans within plans.
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Old 04-23-2003, 03:01 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I'm a canadian and american citizen, i hear anti-canadian comments all the time. a lot of the american comments about canada are just absurd

any1 see the south park movie? probably every american who saw it, saw it as dissing canada.

But it was actually about how arrogant the U.S. is..
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i'm telling u, bush is criticizing every country that disagrees w/ US foreign policy (which is f**** in the first place)
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