07-10-2003, 12:54 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Anybody Read Ted Rall?
That guy has alot of ideas and keeps asking questions about that dullard Bush: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=748
He has a point that if Bush was held up to the scrutiny that Clinton ever got, he would be impeached, locked up, and held accountable to the world for war crimes and bold face LIES!. If people don't speak up, the fascist state of America will come into being. People who do not agree with the New Republican/Fascist Party of America are labeled unpatriotic. That shows how smart they are. HAH, blind leading the blind. yo |
07-10-2003, 07:48 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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07-11-2003, 06:27 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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The difference in the level of scrutiny is certainly a fact. As to the rest, well, we know which way Yoman is voting in 2004.
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07-11-2003, 08:44 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Wheres the impeachment proceedings then? Don't boldface lies meet the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors"?
The media is owned by the neofascist republican party of america so they can keep the priviledge of "imbedded reporters" in all future wars. on another topic, what about those Uncle Toms Condaleeza and Colin? yo |
07-11-2003, 09:35 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Someone PM me when this thread contains something worth reading and responding to.
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07-12-2003, 03:12 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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As far as the link goes, he didn't even link to a specific article or post any comments regarding one other than making slanderous "copy-cat" statements about the Republican party. I'm not even a Republican, yet I think it was over the top.
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07-13-2003, 07:29 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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Ted Rall? The worthless sack of drivel that passes as his "angry man on the street" routine is full of bold faced lies, innuendo and he routinely jumps to rediculous conclusions, extracting fact from questionable and marginal reasoning.
~I find his writing fascinating though~ I guess that's his schtick, cause it works on me. He is to bleeding hearts what ole Coulter is to fat cats, I guess. As far as 'high crimes and a misdemeonors...' What the heck does that have to do with Bush's State of the Union address? First of all, he certainly isn't under oath. He could tell you what ever the fuzuck he wants. To even think that he made it up out of thin air and ~LIED~ strickly to destroy another country and rape and pillage it of it's oil is in it self ludicrous (which is where you'd need to be for the high crimes and misdemeanors charge to stick). If you think that, bring out the links, or the copy, or witnesses, or the quotes, or the notes, or anything to substantiate the assertion. Enough on that. Oh...and nobody "Deserves" respect. NOBODY. Repect needs to be earned. Always. That means rookies have a bit more work to do in that regard. So do it. Earn your freaking respect...don't whine about 'not getting it'. Did that poster actually indicate they were bothered by an emoticon? over, bear
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07-13-2003, 08:00 PM | #12 (permalink) | |
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07-13-2003, 08:32 PM | #13 (permalink) | |
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Now that my tongue's out of my cheek, let's get a little serious here. If you had been around a bit more than you have, you might know more about seretogis, have some backstory on me and him. Then you might be able to understand shit about the rolleyes, and that the emoticon isn't just four keystrokes but an elegant and easy way to dismiss what discomfits or embarasses you. You might be up to date on the board and what goes down here. As for you standing behind Bush as the lies roll out, as they admit to little pieces of truth, that they never had any evidence of WMD, that they never will, that they're changing their story to move away from that embarassment, good for you. Everyone needs to believe in something. And nice use of "fuzuck," by the by.
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07-13-2003, 08:38 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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The board notices and our very own charter make it perfectly clear everyone is entitled to respect even if a few old hands seem to have forgotten that.
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07-15-2003, 11:25 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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Rookie indeed. Avatar...never. Title...worthless. I believe I will continue to voice my opinion whenever I feel like it
Respect is defined in part as "the quality or state of being esteemed' (from one of m-w.com's definitions) How is it possible to have that granted by a charter? Not 'pre-judging' (i.e. prejudice) might be appropriate, which I always try and extend. Conservative? huh? Most conservatives are way to left on the spectrum for me. I might even be an anarchist. Except for the environment. I'm a tree hugging anarchist. I have very little use for Bush or most of his drones, but that isn't really the issue. It's lies, I thought. I'm not convinced that pure fabrications were made, nor have I seem alot of 'changing stories.' Embelishments... definately, exagerations...certainly. Nothing beyond the pale of a politician. Nothing that is gonna make me respect most politicians any less (even if a TF member) then the fact that he's already a politician. out, bear
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07-16-2003, 12:00 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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Let's not get too far into semantics, but instead agree that all users shold be treated with courtesy, regardless of experience, yes? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ concur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's easy to complain and do nothing, isn't it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ of course it is...although I didn't realize that was happening here. I speak strictly of the discussion at hand. It does not approach the level, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, of requiring additional scrutiny nor does it rise to a different degree of dishonesty. Getting your knob slobbed by a pres-shark in the oval office, and lying like a two year old to a judge under oath does. I wonder who really has difficulty with degrees? I'm not a libertarian. Libertarians believe in limited government. I want no government. I am fit, and able, and will take care of what needs to be taken care of. I will eliminate obstacles. Only I will decide what they are. If we disagree, we will work it out. One of us will have to see things differently, or one of us will be eliminated. Simple. To me that is utopia. Pure self reliance, natural selection, and the gene pool is better off in the long run. The weak are made strong, cared for by the strong, or eliminated. If I am eliminated, well then, that speaks volumes about my lack of potential. Good for whoever took care of business. BTW...one of the things that needs to be taken care of is our home. The planet earth. We are a bunch of pigs, and it makes me sick. Those POS who dump garbage on roadsides or crash tankers into sandbars are lucky that I don't have a say in things...because they would be summarily executed. I don't care if it's a cigarette butt out a car window or 'jack-in-box' burger wrapper. It's disgusting. Weak, lazy, gene pool polluting, worthless beings do this. This world has ZERO need, want, or use for these people. b
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07-16-2003, 02:59 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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Brute force, huh? I don't recall EVER using that terminology.
Intelligence is NOT weakness...nor is it defacto strength either. It must be applied. Chit chat forums like this are not such an application. Boredom is a product of the boring. Getting Ammunition? What does that have to do with anything? Not that I would need to rely on any one for ammunition. No government does NOT equal no community. Or social interaction. It's certainly a flawed proposition. MY major concern is that the way things are now...no one is weeded out. Every one is 'kept' alive...no one need concern themselves. They will be kept alive. Most keep themselves going. Some do not. Yet they're still around, polluting our home with their patheticness, and wasting our resources. The human race believes it has transcended natural selection. I theorize that this will turn out to be the single most contributing factor to our extinction. over, b
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07-17-2003, 08:53 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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I consider myself fit and able in spite of the government(s) I chafe.
I have faced several foes bent on my demise. I persist. They do not. So far I'm batting a 1000. I guess it's either batting a thousand or game over actually. Let it be known that while I find anarchy fascinating...I am well aware that it is not possible. I would settle for Libertarianism without hesitation. It would be a start in the right direction to true personal responsibility and accountability. Imagine a system that is revered where every word from our 'officials' is a lie, every issue is self serving, every penny is extorted and spent without regard for how much is on hand, and every regulation enacted exempts the very entity implementing it. This doesn't just need 'fixing' it needs to be abolished and recreated. Anarchy would be a good starting point. Obviously anarchy leads to community, would lead to leadership, would lead to society, rules and regulations, would eventually lead to government. As has already happened. Currently, governments have become the all powerful, unaccountable entities they are. Mankind (us..me even) created it. I am embarrased by our failure. The nature of man has morphed (maybe it was always that way) into me me me....largely because governments have endorsed and promoted this nature by it's very action. I guess it's a circular dicotomy. All I can do is vote as I see fit, and work, in spite of the obstacles, to make the world around me better for those I will leave behind. I espouse the golden rule, and keep both it and my previous statement in mind with every action I undertake. out, bear
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