10-17-2010, 12:21 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Angela Merkel: German multiculturalism has 'utterly failed'
this from the morning's guardian:
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what do you make of this? on the surface, it seems a patently absurd position to adopt because it deploys "muliculturalism" as a meme, so as close to meaningless, in order to announce it's ""utter failure"---it's absurd because it doesn't correlate to anything on the ground--no sudden breakdowns, no events in the world. but it is a shift to the right, and is a political calculation. the article outlines this pretty well, so there's no reason to repeat it. it seems to me that conservative politics in western europe and the united states are coming to resemble each other in that there's an assimilation and normalization of neo-fascist themes. and anti-immigration, anti-diversity, anti-islamic memes are all regular currency in those far-right climates. this seems to enable a massive displacement of economic anxieties, social position anxieties and the consequences for nation-states of the dominance of trans-national capital flows and the institutional frameworks that enable them--control given away over how manufacturing is organized geographically for example which amounts to a giving-away of an entire conception of what sort of politics are required to counter the tendency of capitalist activity to destroy social solidarity even as that activity presupposes that solidarity. another way: nation-states confront the consequences of the transnationalization of economic activity in terms of, say, unemployment and without coherent ways to address them, without traditional social-democratic full-employment policy options (because the empirical geography of capitalism has changed) and hobbled by a politics that actively obstructs thinking of stuff like full employment because measures of the "well-being" of capital have replaced them. so because this is the case, you have conservative politics resorting over and over to manipulating some notion of national identity by positing some Other which endangers it. merkel is speaking in conservative code against what she apparently takes as a critical relation to that illusion of national identity, the idea that a nation is really just a geographical space in which lots of different types of people from lots of different backgrounds who hold lots of different types of belief can an do coexist. this seems to me a dangerous game for all kinds of reasons. but what do you think? do you agree with the above or not? why or why not? what do you think is going on with merkel's statement? btw feel free to post information about or comment on the social situation in parts of germany. we can go that way. but i thought it might be simplest to set this up as a mirror-image of stuff that's happening in the u.s. in particular and see what develops.
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10-17-2010, 12:50 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Last time Germany tried to solve "the immigrant problem" it didn't turn out well for the rest of Europe!
(a new record - Godwinned in post 2!)
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10-17-2010, 01:21 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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That's a good point - and in fact didn't Godwin include a caveat that in a discussion where it was relevant you can't do it?
Bugger. Anyway - this is an interesting area. I'm not sure if it shows that Germans have grown up enough to see past the 30's, or have slipped back into an old paradigm. Overall, the issue of how we come to terms with the poor of the world wanting to come to the rich nations is going to shape 21st century politics in the same way that the issue of rich people going to poor countries shaped the 19th and rich people wanting the land of their neighbours shaped the 20th.
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10-17-2010, 02:04 PM | #5 (permalink) | |
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Well, the problem is that this isn't an inherently German problem. It's a problem with any state with a strong sense of nationalism. I think roachboy's OP is a good foundation to explaining this phenomenon, and it happens elsewhere.
Take Japan for instance: Quote:
Essentially the patterns are there for you to see in any nation state when things turn sour. People like to look for scapegoats. The easiest scapegoats are those who exist outside of the mainstream: the abject, the poor, foreigners, basically anyone viewed as outside the "norm"---the norm being what is desirable, or what is considered "real" according to the nationalistic mindset: a "real" German, or a "real" American for instance. When things turn really bad, people turn against ruling powers. Of course, it's in the best interests of ruling powers to ensure that doesn't happen, and so they deflect the issue elsewhere. Sometimes they deflect it to where the real problem is, which is often a systemic thing, either the economic system or the social/political system, but these things are difficult to manage or change. The alternative to that is focusing on what people are (or can be) convinced is the problem: and now we're back to the easiest scapegoats.
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10-22-2010, 07:18 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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roach, I'm not expert on Germany, but my impression is that multi-kulti in the German context means something quite different from what [the perpetually besieged concept of] 'multi-culturalism' signifies in the US.
In my understanding, multi-kulti was an arrangement designed to keep guest workers socially and politically separate from 'Germans'. So a retreat from multi-kulti might not have the xenophobic implications one might think - many opponents of the guest worker policy actually argue for greater integration and inclusion of immigrant populations in mainstream German life. Admittedly this is all sort of hypothetical for me and entirely information-free - sorry about that. Maybe I just find it really hard to conceive that this move could mean what critics think it means; naked anti-immigrant rhetoric from the top seems so out of character for Germany. I'd be curious whether the debate in Germany is framed the same way as in these English sources (is this seen as a 'rightward lurch', is Merkel really saying that 'more is required' of immigrants in the sense that they're [in US-right parlance] not pulling their weight, or is she simply restating the case for integration?) |
10-22-2010, 07:32 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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To be fair, if you look at "multikulti" compared to what we view as "multiculturalism" in Canada, the former is a bit of a misnomer. It's true, hiredgun, the guest workers in Germany weren't expected to integrate. I think there were even measures barring/hindering them from doing so. They were guests. They were expected to leave when their contracts expired, but since they were filling jobs that Germans wouldn't, Germans lobbied to keep them.
The segment of Turks in particular became indifferent to the whole process of integration even when, more recently, it became a possibility. Of course they're not integrated. On the other hand, in Canada, over 80% of immigrants become citizens every year. We also have an emphasis on learning English or French. However, we also encourage people to maintain their cultural heritage. Multikulti and Canadian multiculturalism are two different things. So-called "multikulti" was basically "we need workers, so lets bring some in."
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