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WinchesterAA · 03-25-2010, 09:59 AM

74-year-old N.C. state senator shoots, wounds intruder at his home

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Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 74-year-old N.C. state senator shoots, wounds intruder at his home

Posted 1/27/2010

Long time Anti-Gun Advocate State Senator R.C. Soles, 74, shot one of two intruders at his home just outside Tabor City, N.C. about 5 p.m. Sunday, the prosecutor for the politician's home county said.

The victim, Kyle Blackburn, was taken to a South Carolina hospital, but the injuries were not reported to be life-threatening, according to Rex Gore, district attorney for Columbus, Bladen andBrunswick counties..

The State Bureau of Investigation and Columbus County Sheriff's Department are investigating the shooting, Gore said. Soles, who was not arrested,declined to discuss the incident Sunday evening.

"I am not in a position to talk to you," Soles said by telephone. "I'm right in the middle of an investigation."

The Senator, who has made a career of being against gun ownership for the general public, didn't hesitate to defend himself with his own gun when he believed he was in immediate danger and he was the victim.

In typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the "Do As I Say And Not As I Do" Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is because his long legislative record shows that the actions that he took to protect his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should not have if they were faced with an identical situation.

It has prompted some to ask if the Senator believes his life and personal safety is more valuable than yours or mine.
But, this is to be expected from those who believe they can run our lives, raise our kids, and protect our families better than we can.

To me, it seems obvious that this type of behavior is indeed typical among politicians today (I disagree with the naming of liberals and whatnot, as today it is a general truth that people support this behavior, regardless of what names they've created for themselves.), but I wanted to ask primarily what the implications with this sort of nonsense could truly be.

Why is someone so against something that individually they have no problem with? Indeed, the arguments are, "Against guns!", but clearly this individual has no problem with the guns.. What is it he has a problem with? What is his true motivation for advocating gun control?

-UPDATE - After contemplating the possibilities of this article being fake or whatever, I checked back on the forum to realize someone else had already looked into it. It seems like I've read other articles about this sort of thing occurring in years past from some of the more well known gun control advocates, also including articles about the firearms gun control advocates carry themselves. Nevertheless, I don't have those articles anymore, and I don't deem this one fit for a thorough analysis, but hopefully I'm not 100% incorrect in thinking that it is common practice to set in place controls for other people, that you are not controlled by.

I'm still looking to figure out why someone would say someone who isn't anti-gun is anti-gun.

dippin · 03-25-2010, 10:15 AM

How anti-gun is he really?

Project Vote Smart - National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund Rating

Let's see, the NRA gives him an A, but I guess the NRA is part of the anti-gun lobby...

Willravel · 03-25-2010, 10:23 AM

Awesome thread title. Totally wrong, but fun regardless.

Cimarron29414 · 03-25-2010, 10:58 AM

A few more facts about the case:

The two "intruders" were actually clients of the good Senator (and lawyer).
Apparently, the receiver of lead was standing outside the home when shot.
The Senator was charged in January with a felony.
He plea bargained to a misdemeanor in February and was fined $1000.
He will not seek re-election.

State Sen. R.C. Soles fined $1,000 after plea deal | Top Story Spot | StarNewsOnline.com

Undoubtedly, legislation which he wrote during his long career was used in part to prosecute him.

Jinn · 03-25-2010, 11:06 AM

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I'm still looking to figure out why someone would say someone who isn't anti-gun is anti-gun.

I hope you didn't have to think about that one for too long.

silent_jay · 03-25-2010, 11:10 AM

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In typical hypocritical liberal fashion....snip

I stopped reading the article right about there, lumping all liberals as hypocritical just makes it lose all credibility, sorry.

dippin · 03-25-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414

Undoubtedly, legislation which he wrote during his long career was used in part to prosecute him.

Which legislation? The one that got him an "A" from the NRA?

Between all that has gone on in this and the health care threads, I'd imagine people would be more careful about posting stuff without double checking it.

Cimarron29414 · 03-26-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dippin

Which legislation? The one that got him an "A" from the NRA?

Between all that has gone on in this and the health care threads, I'd imagine people would be more careful about posting stuff without double checking it.

Clearly you don't understand what it takes to get an "A" from the NRA. It's absolutely as political as any other form of politics and does not necessarily apply to people who are categorically "pro-gun." But that really isn't my point.

Paine wrote about people having to live under the laws that they wrote - one of the reasons congressional term limits are so important in keeping politicians in check.

The "castle doctrine" establishes a person's duty to retreat in self defense situations. The only reason he was charged is because NC's castle doctrine does not extend to outside of a person's home (their yard). If he's been a legislator for 40 years, he undoubtedly had a hand in establishing the castle doctrine of NC. In short, you are over-reacting to my original statement.

WinchesterAA · 03-26-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414

The "castle doctrine" establishes a person's duty to retreat in self defense situations. The only reason he was charged is because NC's castle doctrine does not extend to outside of a person's home (their yard). If he's been a legislator for 40 years, he undoubtedly had a hand in establishing the castle doctrine of NC. In short, you are over-reacting to my original statement.

I don't understand what you mean here, unless you're implying that anyone who didn't vote to extend the castle doctrine to cover vehicles or other things deserves less than an A rating.

03-25-2010, 10:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cimarron29414 Still Free Location: comfortably perched at the top of the bell curve!	A few more facts about the case: The two "intruders" were actually clients of the good Senator (and lawyer). Apparently, the receiver of lead was standing outside the home when shot. The Senator was charged in January with a felony. He plea bargained to a misdemeanor in February and was fined $1000. He will not seek re-election. State Sen. R.C. Soles fined $1,000 after plea deal \| Top Story Spot \| StarNewsOnline.com Undoubtedly, legislation which he wrote during his long career was used in part to prosecute him. __________________ Gives a man a halo, does mead. "Here lies The_Jazz: Killed by an ambitious, sparkly, pink butterfly."

03-25-2010, 10:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
dippin Crazy, indeed Location: the ether	How anti-gun is he really? Project Vote Smart - National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund Rating Let's see, the NRA gives him an A, but I guess the NRA is part of the anti-gun lobby...

03-25-2010, 10:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Awesome thread title. Totally wrong, but fun regardless.