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And it can happen to anyone, even healthy people. My Ron Paul supporting, 20-something friend just had $90,000 in medical bills from getting meningitis. He lives just as healthy of a lifestyle that I do. |
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Totally not the same as auto insurance. because you can drive a car without insurance, without a license, without anything as long as you don't get caught (I'm not saying that's right, just true, it's your choice), there is NO CHOICE here "regulated, mandated health insurance" they will know how much you owe, when you owe it, when you pay it, if you do or do not pay it and if you don't, they will take it form you one way or another, that's unconstitutional...... Quote:
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the exact wording and text AT THE TIME IT WAS WRITTEN should be all you need to understand it. anyone else proclaiming otherwise is not interested in the vision of america, but their own vision of life. |
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I won't waste my time or yours with any further posts regarding the constitution. /thread jack |
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What the hell is wrong with a well regulated military, Sometimes it seems people don’t realize what it takes to have freedom, to keep freedom. There are so many people out there who hate our way of life, who feel that the free speech you and I have, even here in this forum, is wrong. Who would take from you not just your money but your rights to the very expression of how you feel about your country, and yet here, not only is it offered to you, it is protected for you by people willing to die for it. Even if my taxes didn’t go to pay for that protection, I would absolutely give it to them as they work so I may enjoy my freedom, however, I don’t know if everyone who will receive the benefit of my mandated funds for this health care, mind you health care that if they joined the military and fought for something would be free to them, will work in participation as an American, or at the minimum, just get a job. As it appears to me, people are already thinking, well I will just stop working and then I won't have to pay, how about the dole system mandated next, we can put electricity use coin boxes in people houses too. Really, that sounds like a great idea, all able bodied people who cannot pay for the mandated insurance will be required to serve a certain period of time in the service of the U.S. Military as their payment, let’s see how many of the liberals change their minds on that one. I think it sounds very fair, they don’t have to go and fight, but they have to support the government in some form, dig ditches, build roads, but, they have to work. I would have no problem with my sons having to work to pay their own way, didn't most of us have to? I know I sure as hell did, nobody paid for me. Nobody paid to help my mom either as she struggled, this is bull-shit welfare promotion and again the lose of pride in the 'self'. |
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Idyllic, you misunderstood Derwood's post. dksuddeth interprets the second amendment as being an individual right. Derwood's point was that the second amendment clearly states that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." So, either the constitution is written in plain, unambiguous language, and the right to bear arms is not an individual right, or the constitution requires interpretation. Derwood's point was that you can't have it both ways.
Regarding your other point, why do you think "FEDERAL REGULATION of Health Insurance" sounds inherently wrong? Why is it any more wrong than the multitude of other things the federal government regulates? Or, perhaps you're against all federal regulation? |
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I'd much rather see an end put to the concept that the government has to solve everyone's personal problems by imposing mandates like this and a return to people accepting responsibility for their actions. On the other hand, I'll be retired sometime in the next 10 years. Maybe I should just relax, enjoy all the free stuff the government is going to give me and let some other poor sap pay the bills. |
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No one ever promised me that no matter what medical problem I had, I wouldn't have to worry about paying for it. |
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Considering that I've paid about 12% of my income (I pay half directly and the company pays the other half instead of putting it my salary) for quite a few years, no. But fear not. I'm also covered by 401K, pension, and a few investments so I won't be a total drain on the government. |
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Could you adress the abiguity of the wording in the second ammendment I pointed out please?
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Or just explain why you believe the individual mandate for health care is not simply within Congress's general taxation powers....to provide for the "general welfare" of the US.
Oh...and have you filled out your census form yet. :) |
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Health care = general welfare So how is the mandate not within Congress's power: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; |
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I am saying specifically that affordable and accessible health care for all the "people" falls within the meaning of "general welfare" Why doesnt it? Because it is not specifically listed under the general welfare clause? And lets not forget that the concept of "general welfare" is not just limited to Article I, but is in the very preamble of the Constitution: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of AmericaSo, you still havent answered my question. Why do you think the mandate does not "promote the general welfare" of the US? |
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If access to affordable health care for the people is not related to the general welfare of the people, then what is? As an interesting aside....the recently adopted Iraqi constitution, which the US helped develop and is modeled on our own, specifically guarantees health care for all and does not specifically guarantee a right to bear arms. |
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If access to affordable health care for the people is not related to the general welfare of the people, then what is?Cite the passages of the Iraq constitution? See Rights and Freedoms....which include all the basics...right to assemble, freedom of religion, right to counsel, etc....AND right to work, right to a minimum wage, and Article 31: "Every citizen has the right to health care. The state takes care of public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and medical institutions." Just no specific right to bear arms, but a right to own personal property. But that was just an aside.... focus, on the issue, please. |
If Well Regulated meant Well Trained, then you would have no issue with a basic firearm safety test that would need to be passed before owning a firearm, right?
Because the constitution does not guarantee the right to a weapon if one is not well regulated. |
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