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Willravel · 11-06-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

A.) I claimed no "victimhood".

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If you possess a modicum of a conservative idea, then you are clearly incapable of thinking for yourself, and are obviously under the influences of Limbaugh or Beck. There can be no other answer for your inability to see the "light".

Look at what these liberals do to us! Look how they mischaracterize us!

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B.) I offered up no personal attack. Backhanded or otherwise. I pointed out what I see.

Indeed. I guess I've never offered a mea culpa or changed my mind on an issue here, eh? Or maybe those are clever ploys to throw you off the elitism trail! How clever am I? Oh, there I go again!

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C.) Truth? Please. You and I both know better...don't we.

Fox News is just another staged play; entertainment. It just happens to entertain with facile propaganda and fear mongering. The fact that it's so often the center of attention only feeds the beast further and therein lies the problem with victimhood (to bring this all back together). Fox News is the oft disregarded but more recently bombarded beacon of the right, that last bastion of what is presented as conservatism but what's really nothing but filler, folly and foolishness. Because of this new attention from the administration, the anti-left asshats assemble for an absolute attack, empowered by the... you guessed it... victimhood. The cycle hums into action, absurdity gaining attention, then attention turning to absurdity.

All we ever had to do was ignore it and watch something better, but I'm guessing the cycle has already cycled too many times. Noam Chomsky recently warned to take the Tea Party 9/12 folks seriously because regardless of their mistakes in perception or logic, they have grievances and those grievances won't go away. The fact that they get their scripts from corporate entertainment networks and radio stations is immaterial now. The middle-class, white, baby-boomer "peasants" have pitchforks. That's what I think of Fox. It's entirely benign except that the crazies absolutely adore that it validates their fantasies about being under siege, occasionally facilitating and excusing things like shooting police officers in Pittsburgh, murdering a security guard at a holocaust museum, assassinating an abortion doctor, or opening fire in a Unitarian church.

silent_jay · 11-06-2009, 05:06 PM

Found this article in the Calgary Sun yesterday about Fox News, I keep forgetting that now that I'm in Alberta I'm in Harper country and no longer in my Liberal territory, I find Fox good for a chuckle

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To some who rarely watch it, it's both mysterious and outrageous that the Fox News TV channel dominates its cable TV rivals in ratings, and keeps growing.

The prejudice and mind-set against Fox is mainly among those who consider themselves intellectually elite but who, in fact, are less informed about what's going on in the world than ... than Fox viewers.

Fox's supremacy over its main competitors, CNN and MSNBC, grates on the lib-left.

But for most of this 21st century, Fox News has proven the fairest and most balanced of channels, both in hard news coverage and commentary.

Those who dislike Fox (and say they never watch it) consider it too conservative -- that it is mindlessly anti-Democrat and anti-Barack Obama.

This is unfair and wrong.

As one who increasingly relies of Fox for world and American news, I find it fair to Obama without being sycophantic -- especially Bill O'Reilly, who is hated by liberals with a passion that defies understanding.

Mainstream TV channels ABC, CBS and NBC also resent Fox, which is wooing their audiences away.

But when the Obama White House gang attempted to exclude Fox News from coverage, the mainstream media felt forced to rally to Fox in defence of the First Amendment (freedom of the press).

The previous Canadian government was no friend of Fox and the CRTC seemed to go out of its way to make it difficult for Canadians to have the same access to Fox News as they had to CNN, beloved by the left.

In Canada, the most virulent enemy of Fox and its contributors seems to be the Globe 's TV writer, John Doyle, who at the moment is relishing the Obama White House's "war" against Fox.

Doyle's bete noire is Bill O'Reilly, and to a somewhat lesser extent Sean Hannity, whom he calls "barking-mad gasbags."

Doyle denigrates those who like Fox as "cranky old guys" who are over 63 and constitute 50% of Fox's audience.

I guess that includes me, except I'm not cranky, just perceptive.

It's hard to understand the venom directed at Fox. After all, it's just more choice for viewers -- a different approach on newsworthy subjects.

Except Fox will cover news that other media outlets ignore, like the corruption in ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) that Obama once represented as a lawyer and which was caught in a sting supporting underage prostitution to finance a political career.

Doyle calls Obama's attacks on Fox as his "Just Watch Me" moment, reminiscent of the late Pierre Trudeau's unnerving quip to restore order during the 1970 FLQ crisis.

It's also "a warning to other all-news channels," including CNN, which Doyle says "harbours the appalling Lou Dobbs."

To Doyle, "attacks based on rumour, innuendo and half-truths" are Fox News' ways of attempting a "very American" kind of coup:"

Relentless smearing of a legitimate, elected government as socialist, un-American and totalitarian."

More "cranky old men who can't be bothered to check facts but are deeply energized by hate."

Sorry, John, but it's not Fox that ducks facts, just the opposite.

They dig up facts.

Witness the ACORN scam, and the audience ("cranky" or not) that has increased 9% since the White House declared war on it, and risen by 14% in the preferred 25-54 age group.

White House out-Foxed | Peter Worthington | Columnists | Comment | Calgary Sun

dippin · 11-06-2009, 07:55 PM

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I look at it based on return on investment. Is it a good use of debt for a county to build a needed school - yes. Was it a good use of debt to build the interstate highway system - yes. Was it a good use of debt to fight WWII - yes. Was it a good use of debt to bail-out GM - I would say no.

Some people, yes. Some people would think it a problem for an individual to use an 80% mortgage they can afford to buy a home, I don't.

So are you really trying to say that the deficit under Bush was entirely ok? and the deficit under Obama is entirely not ok?

And in any case, what you think is irrelevant. This tread isn't "what do you think of aceventura3." It is about fox news, and one of the problems with fox news is its complete incoherence when dealing with the deficit under different presidents.

BogeyDope · 11-06-2009, 08:36 PM

The only time I trust Fox News, or any news show for that matter really:

Glenn Beck at his finest

ottopilot · 11-07-2009, 07:15 AM

never mind... what's the point... just change the channel.

flstf · 11-07-2009, 03:56 PM

Watching Glenn Beck trying to spin his conspiracy theories connecting Obama to world socialism, communism, nazis, etc... is like playing the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game.

Rekna · 11-11-2009, 02:34 PM

Fox is once again caught making stuff up

Stewart mocks Hannity for inflating Bachmann rally attendance, trying to pass 9-12 rally footage off as Bachmann rally footage | Media Matters for America

It is pretty sad when a comedy show has more truth than fox news....

silent_jay · 11-11-2009, 02:51 PM

Or Hannity and this:
Hannity concocts smear that Obama at fault for Ft. Hood shooting | Media Matters for America

cementor · 11-11-2009, 02:54 PM

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You have absolutely no idea what "left" is if you think the majority of reporting in America is bent to the left, let alone substantially so. America is one of the most right-wing nations in the western world, and that is reflected in our news reporting. It's no wonder that so many people get socialism and communism - which are two very different things - confused if centre-left reporting is considered substantially left-wing. Fox News Channel seems slightly less crazy in America due to the fact that the majority of our news outlets are centre-right, so Fox being so far to the right doesn't seem quite so extreme. Elsewhere in the world, it seems just plain batshit insane - places where MSNBC might be considered centre-right. And I'm not talking about the People's Republic of China, I'm talking about evil socialist nations like Germany.

A little perspective goes a long way, and there is very little reporting in America that can actually be considered left-wing.

Secret - Pardon me, I thought we were discussing US media. I would agree that other countries have a far more liberal bend than most anything we have in the US. But my point was if Fox represents the Republican side as a number of folks have (probably truthfully) insinuated, the majority of the remaining outlets are bent towards the Democratic ideology.

SecretMethod70 · 11-11-2009, 05:47 PM

cementor: Even then, most US media is decidedly center. MSNBC is the only one I'd say is liberal, and even they have a conservative show!

More on topic, it's things like this that make me wonder how Fox News Channel has ANY credibility left with anyone: Jon Stewart Catches Sean Hannity Falsifying Footage To Make GOP Protest Appear Bigger (VIDEO)

Tully Mars · 11-12-2009, 08:11 AM

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cementor: Even then, most US media is decidedly center. MSNBC is the only one I'd say is liberal, and even they have a conservative show!

More on topic, it's things like this that make me wonder how Fox News Channel has ANY credibility left with anyone: Jon Stewart Catches Sean Hannity Falsifying Footage To Make GOP Protest Appear Bigger (VIDEO)

MSNBC is getting worse almost daily. I figure when they start accusing all other networks of being right wing they'll have completely lost any credibility. Really that's what Fox did several years ago. MSNBC seems to be following their business plan almost down to the letter.

I'm with Buffett on this-

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I ran away from politics,
It's too bizarre at home.

dippin · 12-10-2009, 12:08 PM

Another reason I dislike fox news:

faux populism

Video: Gretchen Carlson Dumbs Down | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

ASU2003 · 12-19-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70

More on topic, it's things like this that make me wonder how Fox News Channel has ANY credibility left with anyone: Jon Stewart Catches Sean Hannity Falsifying Footage To Make GOP Protest Appear Bigger (VIDEO)

Fox News fiddles with climate change polling - Democratic Underground

Here is another example. Although, I may give them the benefit of the doubt that it was just an innocent typing mistake (39 instead of 59). But still there is no way that poll is an accurate random sampling of the country. Maybe they only poll other Fox News viewers.

Marlon's Mom · 12-19-2009, 12:18 PM

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I am a "news junkie", I watch ( or listen ) to Fox, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, CSPAN, and PBS. I don't watch the networks CBS, NBC or ABC during the week but I will catch their Sunday morning shows.

By my measure I find Fox and CNBC will most often have guests who either disagree with each other, disagree with the host, or where the host will ask tough questions of a guest. MSNBC is the most one sided with the exception of Morning Joe - but I do find Joe Scarborough often goes out of his way to make liberals feel good .

Chris Matthews has "opposition" guests pretty much every day. While Matthews is clearly left leaning, he goes toe to toe with just about everybody, even lefties from time to time. He gave Howard Dean hell the other night.

Poppinjay · 12-19-2009, 12:31 PM

I think Matthews's show is the only one I've seen where the host was challenged to a duel.

Marlon's Mom · 12-19-2009, 02:44 PM

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I think Matthews's show is the only one I've seen where the host was challenged to a duel.

Oh, do tell! I missed this.

Poppinjay · 12-19-2009, 03:03 PM

YouTube - Zell Miller vs. Chris Matthews

Marlon's Mom · 12-21-2009, 09:11 AM

Oh yeah, good ol' Zell "I'll be a Democrat 'til the day I die" Miller.

I didn't pay very close attention to the 2004 election - I didn't think Kerry was the right guy and I KNEW Bush was the wrong guy - so I missed this on Hardball.

Very funny! Thanks!

11-06-2009, 08:36 PM	#84 (permalink)
BogeyDope Crazy	The only time I trust Fox News, or any news show for that matter really: Glenn Beck at his finest __________________ Focus. Control. Conviction. Resolve. A true ace lacks none of these attributes. Nothing can deter you from the task at hand except your own fears. This is your sky.

11-07-2009, 07:15 AM	#85 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	never mind... what's the point... just change the channel. __________________ "It rubs the lotion on Buffy, Jodi and Mr. French's skin" - Uncle Bill from Buffalo Last edited by ottopilot; 11-07-2009 at 07:30 AM..

11-11-2009, 02:51 PM	#88 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Or Hannity and this: Hannity concocts smear that Obama at fault for Ft. Hood shooting \| Media Matters for America __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

11-11-2009, 05:47 PM	#90 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	cementor: Even then, most US media is decidedly center. MSNBC is the only one I'd say is liberal, and even they have a conservative show! More on topic, it's things like this that make me wonder how Fox News Channel has ANY credibility left with anyone: Jon Stewart Catches Sean Hannity Falsifying Footage To Make GOP Protest Appear Bigger (VIDEO) __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

12-19-2009, 12:31 PM	#95 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	I think Matthews's show is the only one I've seen where the host was challenged to a duel. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

11-07-2009, 03:56 PM	#86 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	Watching Glenn Beck trying to spin his conspiracy theories connecting Obama to world socialism, communism, nazis, etc... is like playing the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game.

11-11-2009, 02:34 PM	#87 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	Fox is once again caught making stuff up Stewart mocks Hannity for inflating Bachmann rally attendance, trying to pass 9-12 rally footage off as Bachmann rally footage \| Media Matters for America It is pretty sad when a comedy show has more truth than fox news....

12-10-2009, 12:08 PM	#92 (permalink)
dippin Crazy, indeed Location: the ether	Another reason I dislike fox news: faux populism Video: Gretchen Carlson Dumbs Down \| The Daily Show \| Comedy Central

12-21-2009, 09:11 AM	#98 (permalink)
Marlon's Mom Tilted Location: In the woods. With a shotgun.	Oh yeah, good ol' Zell "I'll be a Democrat 'til the day I die" Miller. I didn't pay very close attention to the 2004 election - I didn't think Kerry was the right guy and I KNEW Bush was the wrong guy - so I missed this on Hardball. Very funny! Thanks!