09-06-2009, 11:35 AM | #41 (permalink) | |
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It's no wonder the US government rarely does anything sensible.
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09-06-2009, 02:33 PM | #42 (permalink) | ||
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As usual you miss a very important point. When strong leaders face fringe opposition (which they face on every single issue, everything they do - you will always have some people expressing outage, or protest what a Presidnet does or wants to do), they act Presidential, they stay out of the gutter, they do what they believe is right with no compromise, no hesitation. They do it with confidence, right or wrong. that is leadership. To the degree that this is an issue is to the degree that Obama is weak. Do you get that? ---------- Post added at 10:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:28 PM ---------- Quote:
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09-06-2009, 02:33 PM | #43 (permalink) | |
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09-06-2009, 02:35 PM | #44 (permalink) | |
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Republican Party of Florida - News - Greer Condemns Obama's Attempt to Indoctrinate Students As to the rest of your post.....more babble when you dont want to address the issue head on.
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09-06-2009, 02:41 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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The weakness of the President is at the root of the strength of this protest. The President has a credibility problem, he needs to look in the mirror rather than blame those who oppose him. He needed to do a better job up front, rather than rolling out the plan and the curriculum then changing it - his opposition saw blood, they saw weakness, they attacked with a frenzy. It amazes me how naive some people are. Don't they know this is "war", some are taking this pretty seriously and calling them hypocrites is not going to help Obama's cause. Winners don't give a shit about being called names! Obama needs to stop being a f'ing victim. That is the point.
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09-06-2009, 02:46 PM | #47 (permalink) | ||
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Sorry for the sarcasm, I am sure I broke some kind of rule.
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09-06-2009, 02:46 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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It doesn't matter Ace; Obama is the President, and head of the government of not only those of voting age, but those under voting age as well. Your assessment of his leadership skills means nothing.
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09-06-2009, 02:47 PM | #49 (permalink) | |
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It is similar to every other baseless attack using fear (in this case, socialist indoctrination), that started from day-one. Maybe, being the beta, you just dont get it. At least a few Republicans, Gingrich and Sen. Lamar Alexander, manned up today on the talk shows and said it was perfectly acceptable and reasonable for a president, any president, to speak to school kids about staying in school, studying hard and taking personal responsibility.
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09-06-2009, 02:52 PM | #50 (permalink) | |
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I really don't know if you are intentionally evasive in your answers or if you just have no idea what your talking about. The issue at hand is that the president wishes to address the children of the nation encouraging them to stay in school and work hard. Republicans are turning this into a political ploy by the whitehouse just like they employed lies and bs in the healthcare debate. Most of this information is being passed along by people like beck. Now for a direct question...do you believe that encouraging kids to stay in school is a bad message? If you do not then why is there all this fake outrage that he is addressing the children of the nation?
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09-06-2009, 03:00 PM | #51 (permalink) | |
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Is the Republican Party of Florida on the fringe?
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09-06-2009, 03:02 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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Years ago I did a research paper on Andrew Johnson, the President after Lincoln, he was impeached. The political battles that occurred after the Civil War may have caused this country almost 100 years of racial division. Johnson was weak, political divisions hardened during his term due to his lack of leadership. Obama is displaying weakness, and political divisions are hardening as we participate in this exchange. At the end of the day it will be Obama's legacy, not the people in the media like Beck and Rush and some members in Congress. My assessment means nothing, true - but a repeat of history should have some meaning (and please spare me the...this aint the civil war and how dare you make such a comparison...).
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09-06-2009, 03:04 PM | #53 (permalink) | |
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Still waiting for a direct answer.
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09-06-2009, 03:14 PM | #54 (permalink) | |
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See, you don't get it. I will go slower. Presidents get attacked by fringe elements all the time. Strong Presidents are not affected, and do what they do. If a weak President shows a weakness to a fringe attack the fringe attack grows stronger. If a weak Presidnet does not squash the fringe attack. The primary opposition takes note. In some cases the primary opposition will join the fringe attack, using it as an opportunity to figuratively destroy the President. This is happening as we speak. I hope Obama has a few "fighters" on his team. He really needs a guy like Chaney or a guy like Rove. Say what you will about those men, they played for keeps. ---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:10 PM ---------- O.k., I give. I promise never to try to explain base behavior again. Let's all just be surprised and amazed by it!
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09-06-2009, 03:17 PM | #55 (permalink) | |
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Obama is in no way acting weak. And he is squashing his opposition by disproving all bs that the right can throw at him. Republicans have become the laughing stock to all the world, they just can't see it themselves. Still waiting for an answer. ---------- Post added at 07:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:14 PM ---------- ---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:10 PM ---------- [/COLOR] O.k., I give. I promise never to try to explain base behavior again. Let's all just be surprised and amazed by it! [/QUOTE] Base behavior is irrelevant to this issue. The right are slinging everything they can conjure up and hoping something will stick. I said this in another thread, conservatives are acting like pouting little children throwing a temper tantrum. Still waiting for an answer.
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09-06-2009, 03:18 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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You agree the Republican Party of Florida is not on the fringe. The Republican Party of Florida (and other such institutions and Republican members of Congress) are a large part of the backlash. But presidents get attacked by fringe elements. Stepping all over yourself again, ace....with Andrew Johnson tossed in for good measure. Another comical episode of the ace files.
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09-06-2009, 03:52 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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Ace, dammit, are you capable of a legitimate response? The issue at hand is the democratically elected president addressing the youth of the country, every bit citizens under his watch as those of voting age. Your opinion, and fucking Andrew Jackson, have FUCK ALL to do with him making a speech to school children about the importance of education.
You can join Samcol on my ignore list.
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09-06-2009, 03:56 PM | #58 (permalink) |
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09-07-2009, 06:24 AM | #65 (permalink) |
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I get it now. Ace has fully bought into the culture of "us vs. them" (a culture that really fortified under Bush, though Ace seems to think this is a phenomenon unique to the current administration), and thus sees nothing wrong with the amount of bullshit Obama is having to face from the opposition. He sees nothing wrong with roughly half of the country's politicians doing everything in their power to NOT cooperate, thus doing absolutely nothing positive during their current terms as leaders. He also blames Obama for the right's behavior.
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09-07-2009, 06:41 AM | #67 (permalink) |
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ok, so now we're getting around to a 'school is bad for kids' argument?
man. Exactly how many people on this thread, sitting at their home, typing on a computer they paid for with work, using words they learned to use, did not benefit from the advantages of getting an education?
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09-07-2009, 06:55 AM | #68 (permalink) |
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I wonder how many of those kids, whose parents are preventing them from watching the event at school, will rush home after school and watch a YouTube video of the speech...simply because their parents said they cant watch it.
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09-07-2009, 07:00 AM | #69 (permalink) | |
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09-07-2009, 07:00 AM | #70 (permalink) |
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Mixed, your kids have already gone through the school system, right? You aren't currently dealing with uber liberal teachers who have an obvious agenda, and school administrators who support them. Since last fall, things have really ramped up in my area. As a family who doesn't support the President's agenda, it is hard for me to sit back and let the biased information flow. I want my kids educated, not indoctrinated. I want them challenged to look at the opposing side of an issue.
I'm not worried about my kids. We talk about the days events at the dinner table. I'm fairly confident my seventh grader is the only one in his class who knows who Van Jones is or what eco-apartheid is. Homeschooling is looking more and more appealing. |
09-07-2009, 07:14 AM | #71 (permalink) | |
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09-07-2009, 07:25 AM | #72 (permalink) | ||
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No wait, I take that back, when my oldest daughters were in high school in Louisiana, Christianity and the politics of George Bush were praised and endorsed by their teachers quite regularly, quite openly.
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09-07-2009, 09:59 AM | #73 (permalink) | |
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If you're not worried about your kids, why censor information from them by not letting them hear what the President has to say? I was in school, not so long ago. Never did a teacher try to "indoctrinate" me. My guess is, any teacher worth his/her salt doesn't give a flying shit for what party their students may join, or what their parents' political affiliations are. They are there to help the kids get through the year, learn the curriculum, and that's it. The divisiveness in this country is insane. So much so that Ace now views it as a "war." And of course, nobody else "gets" it. Obama's being "weak", so naturally the right is being "strong," and will kick him when he's down. "We can't have a weak President!!! This is AMERICA!" Jesus Christ, if this is how you see the world, ace, that's downright scary. So, for everyone against this, would you be against Bush talking to schools when he was in power?
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09-07-2009, 10:11 AM | #75 (permalink) |
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The text of the speech is available online now. As expected, a lot of incredibly ignorant people are up in arms about literally nothing at all. Again.
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09-07-2009, 10:42 AM | #76 (permalink) | |
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09-07-2009, 10:47 AM | #78 (permalink) | |
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09-07-2009, 11:29 AM | #79 (permalink) |
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You assume I'm pulling my kids from class for the address. I am not. I want them to hear their President challenge them to be the best they can be. We can listen without supporting, right?
It's not this 18 minute speech (or whatever it is) that concerns me. It is the day to day subtle political agenda that our kids are exposed to. The global warming posters that literally litter every hallway. The poster that reads "I pledge allegiance to the Earth" in the science classroom. The fact that my middle schooler can get birth control without my knowledge. The teacher who still has an Obama '08 bumper sticker on her podium. The lower grades my son receives because he reads "conservative" books to do reports on. ( Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell. ) I see the books that are purchased for the teacher's lounge library. My "smart kids" know more about politics than their peers. My husband is a coach, I am a Girl Scout Leader/classroom volunteer. We interact with a lot of kids. Kids will parrot what their parents believe, and not know why they support a specific ideology. So yes, I do worry about the youth. |
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