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Tully Mars · 09-06-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jewels

What the hell happened to respect for the office? At his Inauguration, even our President was courteous to his predecessor, despite some mighty loud boos from the people that reverberated in the crowds. He's got a lot more class than these politically-driven parents, who should be ashamed. Are they the role models and mentors for the future generations? That's damned scary.

It is damn scary. The national voices who had no problem calling Clinton everything but presidential claimed anyone saying such regarding Bush were un-American due to lack of respect of the office. These same idiots and their followers now have no problem spewing hate at the siting president.

It's no wonder the US government rarely does anything sensible.

aceventura3 · 09-06-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

WTF...are you really that disengaged from reality?

Presidents speak to the American people....of all ages. One may not always agree with the speaker, but to question that the event comes with the job title, President of the United States, is nonsense. In 1988, when Reagan held such an event, I dont recall there being such a national uproar from the left to such an innocuous event.

The screaming and ranting on the right is pure political theater and hypocrisy at its finest.

Beyond the hypocisy, IMO, its another example of the intolerance of some on the right....not wanting to expose their children to an address by the leader of the country -- to focus on staying in school and studying hard to succeed - if they dont agree with his broader policies and actions.

As usual you miss a very important point. When strong leaders face fringe opposition (which they face on every single issue, everything they do - you will always have some people expressing outage, or protest what a Presidnet does or wants to do), they act Presidential, they stay out of the gutter, they do what they believe is right with no compromise, no hesitation. They do it with confidence, right or wrong. that is leadership. To the degree that this is an issue is to the degree that Obama is weak. Do you get that?

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

Sorry for my lapse of reasonable response on this, but this is what comes to mind:

"I don't want my kid(s) to hear Obama's speech because....

he's an illegitimate president [birthers]
he's not my president [political obstructionists]
he's a socialist/he's driving America to communism [political ignoramuses]
he's a black man [racists]
he's ruining our country [Chicken Littles]
he's the Antichrist [religious zealots]
he's a Muslim (i.e. a terrorist) [paranoid zealots]"

...

Sorry....

Or, how about his favorability ratings are dropping, he loosing the healthcare debate and some of feel he is using children for political purposes and are offended by that. I bet some of you think only a Republican would be so manipulative, right?

FuglyStick · 09-06-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

As usual you miss a very important point. When strong leaders face fringe opposition (which they face on every single issue, everything they do - you will always have some people expressing outage, or protest what a Presidnet does or wants to do), they act Presidential, they stay out of the gutter, they do what they believe is right with no compromise, no hesitation. They do it with confidence, right or wrong. that is leadership. To the degree that this is an issue is to the degree that Obama is weak. Do you get that?

I am baffled as to what this has to do with the topic at hand

dc_dux · 09-06-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

As usual you miss a very important point. When strong leaders face fringe opposition (which they face on every single issue, everything they do - you will always have some people expressing outage, or protest what a Presidnet does or wants to do),

ace...is the Republican Party of Florida on the "fringe"
Republican Party of Florida - News - Greer Condemns Obama's Attempt to Indoctrinate Students

As to the rest of your post.....more babble when you dont want to address the issue head on.

aceventura3 · 09-06-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FuglyStick

I am baffled as to what this has to do with the topic at hand

The weakness of the President is at the root of the strength of this protest. The President has a credibility problem, he needs to look in the mirror rather than blame those who oppose him. He needed to do a better job up front, rather than rolling out the plan and the curriculum then changing it - his opposition saw blood, they saw weakness, they attacked with a frenzy. It amazes me how naive some people are. Don't they know this is "war", some are taking this pretty seriously and calling them hypocrites is not going to help Obama's cause. Winners don't give a shit about being called names! Obama needs to stop being a f'ing victim. That is the point.

dc_dux · 09-06-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

The weakness of the President is at the root of the strength of this protest....That is the point.

Childish partisan bullshit is at the the root of the protest...that is the point.

aceventura3 · 09-06-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

ace...is the Republican Party of Florida on the "fringe"
Republican Party of Florida - News - Greer Condemns Obama's Attempt to Indoctrinate Students

As to the rest of your post.....more babble when you dont want to address the issue head on.

You don't understand base behavior. You want to pretend humans are above it, etc, etc., so you will never get it. Simply try to understand that when a beta detects weakness in an alpha, the beta intensifies its behavior.

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

Childish partisan bullshit is at the the root of the protest...that is the point.

Yea, childish. Thats it. Send 'em to bed without supper, I bet that will do the trick.

Sorry for the sarcasm, I am sure I broke some kind of rule.

FuglyStick · 09-06-2009, 02:46 PM

It doesn't matter Ace; Obama is the President, and head of the government of not only those of voting age, but those under voting age as well. Your assessment of his leadership skills means nothing.

dc_dux · 09-06-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

You don't understand base behavior. You want to pretend humans are above it, etc, etc., so you will never get it. Simply try to understand that when a beta detects weakness in an alpha, the beta intensifies its behavior.

This has nothing to do with weakness.

It is similar to every other baseless attack using fear (in this case, socialist indoctrination), that started from day-one.

Maybe, being the beta, you just dont get it.

At least a few Republicans, Gingrich and Sen. Lamar Alexander, manned up today on the talk shows and said it was perfectly acceptable and reasonable for a president, any president, to speak to school kids about staying in school, studying hard and taking personal responsibility.

rahl · 09-06-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

You don't understand base behavior. You want to pretend humans are above it, etc, etc., so you will never get it. Simply try to understand that when a beta detects weakness in an alpha, the beta intensifies its behavior.

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Yea, childish. Thats it. Send 'em to bed without supper, I bet that will do the trick.

Sorry for the sarcasm, I am sure I broke some kind of rule.

I really don't know if you are intentionally evasive in your answers or if you just have no idea what your talking about. The issue at hand is that the president wishes to address the children of the nation encouraging them to stay in school and work hard. Republicans are turning this into a political ploy by the whitehouse just like they employed lies and bs in the healthcare debate. Most of this information is being passed along by people like beck.

Now for a direct question...do you believe that encouraging kids to stay in school is a bad message? If you do not then why is there all this fake outrage that he is addressing the children of the nation?

dc_dux · 09-06-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rahl

...Now for a direct question...do you believe that encouraging kids to stay in school is a bad message? If you do not then why is there all this fake outrage that he is addressing the children of the nation?

Still waiting for an answer from ace on my direct question.

Is the Republican Party of Florida on the fringe?

aceventura3 · 09-06-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FuglyStick

It doesn't matter Ace; Obama is the President, and head of the government of not only those of voting age, but those under voting age as well. Your assessment of his leadership skills means nothing.

Years ago I did a research paper on Andrew Johnson, the President after Lincoln, he was impeached. The political battles that occurred after the Civil War may have caused this country almost 100 years of racial division. Johnson was weak, political divisions hardened during his term due to his lack of leadership. Obama is displaying weakness, and political divisions are hardening as we participate in this exchange. At the end of the day it will be Obama's legacy, not the people in the media like Beck and Rush and some members in Congress. My assessment means nothing, true - but a repeat of history should have some meaning (and please spare me the...this aint the civil war and how dare you make such a comparison...).

rahl · 09-06-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

Years ago I did a research paper on Andrew Johnson, the President after Lincoln, he was impeached. The political battles that occurred after the Civil War may have caused this country almost 100 years of racial division. Johnson was weak, political divisions hardened during his term due to his lack of leadership. Obama is displaying weakness, and political divisions are hardening as we participate in this exchange. At the end of the day it will be Obama's legacy, not the people in the media like Beck and Rush and some members in Congress. My assessment means nothing, true - but a repeat of history should have some meaning (and please spare me the...this aint the civil war and how dare you make such a comparison...).

Utterly irrelevant.

Still waiting for a direct answer.

aceventura3 · 09-06-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

Still waiting for an answer from ace on my direct question.

Is the Republican Party of Florida on the fringe?

No.

See, you don't get it.

I will go slower.

Presidents get attacked by fringe elements all the time.
Strong Presidents are not affected, and do what they do.
If a weak President shows a weakness to a fringe attack the fringe attack grows stronger.
If a weak Presidnet does not squash the fringe attack. The primary opposition takes note.
In some cases the primary opposition will join the fringe attack, using it as an opportunity to figuratively destroy the President.

This is happening as we speak. I hope Obama has a few "fighters" on his team. He really needs a guy like Chaney or a guy like Rove. Say what you will about those men, they played for keeps.

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Originally Posted by rahl

Utterly irrelevant.

Still waiting for a direct answer.

O.k., I give. I promise never to try to explain base behavior again. Let's all just be surprised and amazed by it!

rahl · 09-06-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

No.

See, you don't get it.

I will go slower.

Presidents get attacked by fringe elements all the time.
Strong Presidents are not affected, and do what they do.
If a weak President shows a weakness to a fringe attack the fringe attack grows stronger.
If a weak Presidnet does not squash the fringe attack. The primary opposition takes note.
In some cases the primary opposition will join the fringe attack, using it as an opportunity to figuratively destroy the President.

This is happening as we speak. I hope Obama has a few "fighters" on his team. He really needs a guy like Chaney or a guy like Rove. Say what you will about those men, they played for keeps.

Obama is in no way acting weak. And he is squashing his opposition by disproving all bs that the right can throw at him. Republicans have become the laughing stock to all the world, they just can't see it themselves.

Still waiting for an answer.

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O.k., I give. I promise never to try to explain base behavior again. Let's all just be surprised and amazed by it!

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Base behavior is irrelevant to this issue. The right are slinging everything they can conjure up and hoping something will stick. I said this in another thread, conservatives are acting like pouting little children throwing a temper tantrum.

Still waiting for an answer.

dc_dux · 09-06-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

No.

See, you don't get it.

I will go slower.

Presidents get attacked by fringe elements all the time.

I get it now.

You agree the Republican Party of Florida is not on the fringe.

The Republican Party of Florida (and other such institutions and Republican members of Congress) are a large part of the backlash.

But presidents get attacked by fringe elements.

Stepping all over yourself again, ace....with Andrew Johnson tossed in for good measure.

Another comical episode of the ace files.

FuglyStick · 09-06-2009, 03:52 PM

Ace, dammit, are you capable of a legitimate response? The issue at hand is the democratically elected president addressing the youth of the country, every bit citizens under his watch as those of voting age. Your opinion, and fucking Andrew Jackson, have FUCK ALL to do with him making a speech to school children about the importance of education.

You can join Samcol on my ignore list.

aceventura3 · 09-06-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FuglyStick

Ace, dammit, are you capable of a legitimate response?

No.

powerclown · 09-06-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rahl

Now for a direct question...do you believe that encouraging kids to stay in school is a bad message? If you do not then why is there all this fake outrage that he is addressing the children of the nation?

When you think about it, how many thousands - nee, millions - of once perfectly normal happy and healthy kids has school fuct up? Socially, spiritually, psychologically, sexually etc. Thinking along the lines of 'Carrie' here.

filtherton · 09-06-2009, 04:29 PM

So encouraging kids to stay in school is bad because of Carrie? Because of a movie about how emotional abuse can activate latent telekinetic powers? Brilliant.

powerclown · 09-06-2009, 04:35 PM

I think her telekinetic powers were there before the abuse.

rahl · 09-06-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

No.

Thats what I thought.

filtherton · 09-06-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by powerclown

I think her telekinetic powers were there before the abuse.

Latent means present but not obvious.

Willravel · 09-06-2009, 08:43 PM

Derwood · 09-07-2009, 06:24 AM

I get it now. Ace has fully bought into the culture of "us vs. them" (a culture that really fortified under Bush, though Ace seems to think this is a phenomenon unique to the current administration), and thus sees nothing wrong with the amount of bullshit Obama is having to face from the opposition. He sees nothing wrong with roughly half of the country's politicians doing everything in their power to NOT cooperate, thus doing absolutely nothing positive during their current terms as leaders. He also blames Obama for the right's behavior.

It's like a kid being bullied at school every day and blaming the kid instead of the bully.

hotandheavy · 09-07-2009, 06:32 AM

What if the whole thing is a distraction to conservatives to not pay attention to the fact that Eric Holder is beefing up the Justice Dept (hiring 50 new attorneys) to deal with race baiting litigation?

mixedmedia · 09-07-2009, 06:41 AM

ok, so now we're getting around to a 'school is bad for kids' argument?

man.
Exactly how many people on this thread, sitting at their home, typing on a computer they paid for with work, using words they learned to use, did not benefit from the advantages of getting an education?

dc_dux · 09-07-2009, 06:55 AM

I wonder how many of those kids, whose parents are preventing them from watching the event at school, will rush home after school and watch a YouTube video of the speech...simply because their parents said they cant watch it.

samcol · 09-07-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

ok, so now we're getting around to a 'school is bad for kids' argument?

man.
Exactly how many people on this thread, sitting at their home, typing on a computer they paid for with work, using words they learned to use, did not benefit from the advantages of getting an education?

I agree, children will not be able to read or write if they do not see his speech.

hotandheavy · 09-07-2009, 07:00 AM

Mixed, your kids have already gone through the school system, right? You aren't currently dealing with uber liberal teachers who have an obvious agenda, and school administrators who support them. Since last fall, things have really ramped up in my area. As a family who doesn't support the President's agenda, it is hard for me to sit back and let the biased information flow. I want my kids educated, not indoctrinated. I want them challenged to look at the opposing side of an issue.

I'm not worried about my kids. We talk about the days events at the dinner table. I'm fairly confident my seventh grader is the only one in his class who knows who Van Jones is or what eco-apartheid is.

Homeschooling is looking more and more appealing.

rahl · 09-07-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hotandheavy

Mixed, your kids have already gone through the school system, right? You aren't currently dealing with uber liberal teachers who have an obvious agenda, and school administrators who support them. Since last fall, things have really ramped up in my area. As a family who doesn't support the President's agenda, it is hard for me to sit back and let the biased information flow. I want my kids educated, not indoctrinated. I want them challenged to look at the opposing side of an issue.

I'm not worried about my kids. We talk about the days events at the dinner table. I'm fairly confident my seventh grader is the only one in his class who knows who Van Jones is or what eco-apartheid is.

Homeschooling is looking more and more appealing.

So hearing from our president that staying in school and hard work are the keys to success is in your mind brainwashing or indoctrinating?

mixedmedia · 09-07-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by samcol

I agree, children will not be able to read or write if they do not see his speech.

And how does this address what I said?

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Originally Posted by hotandheavy

Mixed, your kids have already gone through the school system, right? You aren't currently dealing with uber liberal teachers who have an obvious agenda, and school administrators who support them. Since last fall, things have really ramped up in my area. As a family who doesn't support the President's agenda, it is hard for me to sit back and let the biased information flow. I want my kids educated, not indoctrinated. I want them challenged to look at the opposing side of an issue.

I'm not worried about my kids. We talk about the days events at the dinner table. I'm fairly confident my seventh grader is the only one in his class who knows who Van Jones is or what eco-apartheid is.

Homeschooling is looking more and more appealing.

No, I still have a 10 year old in the school system. I haven't noticed a trend of teachers being 'uber liberal.' I have noticed a passionate dislike of the 'no child left behind' policy. I have noticed that conservative think is often opposed to the funding of public education. Therefore, I think it's only natural for teachers to be opposed to conservative views on it which is, essentially, tear it down and make education a product of the 'free market.' But not once have I seen or heard a political argument being made in my child's classroom, and believe me, my daughter would come home and tell me if she did. Like you, I talk openly about my own views to my children.

No wait, I take that back, when my oldest daughters were in high school in Louisiana, Christianity and the politics of George Bush were praised and endorsed by their teachers quite regularly, quite openly.

biznatch · 09-07-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hotandheavy

You aren't currently dealing with uber liberal teachers who have an obvious agenda, and school administrators who support them. Since last fall, things have really ramped up in my area. As a family who doesn't support the President's agenda, it is hard for me to sit back and let the biased information flow. I want my kids educated, not indoctrinated. I want them challenged to look at the opposing side of an issue.

I'm not worried about my kids. We talk about the days events at the dinner table. I'm fairly confident my seventh grader is the only one in his class who knows who Van Jones is or what eco-apartheid is.

So it's not your smart kids you're worried about, it's everyone else's?
If you're not worried about your kids, why censor information from them by not letting them hear what the President has to say?
I was in school, not so long ago. Never did a teacher try to "indoctrinate" me.
My guess is, any teacher worth his/her salt doesn't give a flying shit for what party their students may join, or what their parents' political affiliations are. They are there to help the kids get through the year, learn the curriculum, and that's it.

The divisiveness in this country is insane. So much so that Ace now views it as a "war." And of course, nobody else "gets" it. Obama's being "weak", so naturally the right is being "strong," and will kick him when he's down.
"We can't have a weak President!!! This is AMERICA!" Jesus Christ, if this is how you see the world, ace, that's downright scary.

So, for everyone against this, would you be against Bush talking to schools when he was in power?

flstf · 09-07-2009, 10:01 AM

birthers
deathers
silencers
What's next?

There is a legitimate debate to be had about the function of government but it is getting lost in the partisan bull.

Willravel · 09-07-2009, 10:11 AM

The text of the speech is available online now. As expected, a lot of incredibly ignorant people are up in arms about literally nothing at all. Again.

samcol · 09-07-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

The text of the speech is available online now. As expected, a lot of incredibly ignorant people are up in arms about literally nothing at all. Again.

The whole speech could of been changed from what was originally planned though due to the backlash.

rahl · 09-07-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by samcol

The whole speech could of been changed from what was originally planned though due to the backlash.

So you believe that obama had in his original speech sabliminol messages akin to adolf hitler in an attempt to brainwash america's youth?

biznatch · 09-07-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by samcol

The whole speech could of been changed from what was originally planned though due to the backlash.

Yes, I'm sure before this whole outcry, it was engineered to have children of republicans kill their parents.

hotandheavy · 09-07-2009, 11:29 AM

You assume I'm pulling my kids from class for the address. I am not. I want them to hear their President challenge them to be the best they can be. We can listen without supporting, right?

It's not this 18 minute speech (or whatever it is) that concerns me. It is the day to day subtle political agenda that our kids are exposed to. The global warming posters that literally litter every hallway. The poster that reads "I pledge allegiance to the Earth" in the science classroom.

The fact that my middle schooler can get birth control without my knowledge.

The teacher who still has an Obama '08 bumper sticker on her podium.

The lower grades my son receives because he reads "conservative" books to do reports on. ( Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell. )

I see the books that are purchased for the teacher's lounge library.

My "smart kids" know more about politics than their peers. My husband is a coach, I am a Girl Scout Leader/classroom volunteer. We interact with a lot of kids. Kids will parrot what their parents believe, and not know why they support a specific ideology. So yes, I do worry about the youth.

Willravel · 09-07-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by samcol

The whole speech could of been changed from what was originally planned though due to the backlash.

Are you assuming that it was changed, or just saying that it's within the realm of possibility that it was changed? I can agree with the latter, but the former is entirely unsupported and highly partisan.

09-06-2009, 02:46 PM	#48 (permalink)
FuglyStick WHEEEE! Whee! Whee! WHEEEE! Location: Southern Illinois	It doesn't matter Ace; Obama is the President, and head of the government of not only those of voting age, but those under voting age as well. Your assessment of his leadership skills means nothing. __________________ AZIZ! LIGHT!

09-06-2009, 03:52 PM	#57 (permalink)
FuglyStick WHEEEE! Whee! Whee! WHEEEE! Location: Southern Illinois	Ace, dammit, are you capable of a legitimate response? The issue at hand is the democratically elected president addressing the youth of the country, every bit citizens under his watch as those of voting age. Your opinion, and fucking Andrew Jackson, have FUCK ALL to do with him making a speech to school children about the importance of education. You can join Samcol on my ignore list. __________________ AZIZ! LIGHT!

09-07-2009, 06:41 AM	#67 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	ok, so now we're getting around to a 'school is bad for kids' argument? man. Exactly how many people on this thread, sitting at their home, typing on a computer they paid for with work, using words they learned to use, did not benefit from the advantages of getting an education? __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

09-07-2009, 06:55 AM	#68 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	I wonder how many of those kids, whose parents are preventing them from watching the event at school, will rush home after school and watch a YouTube video of the speech...simply because their parents said they cant watch it. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

09-06-2009, 04:29 PM	#60 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	So encouraging kids to stay in school is bad because of Carrie? Because of a movie about how emotional abuse can activate latent telekinetic powers? Brilliant.

09-06-2009, 04:35 PM	#61 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	I think her telekinetic powers were there before the abuse.

09-06-2009, 08:43 PM	#64 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.

09-07-2009, 06:24 AM	#65 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	I get it now. Ace has fully bought into the culture of "us vs. them" (a culture that really fortified under Bush, though Ace seems to think this is a phenomenon unique to the current administration), and thus sees nothing wrong with the amount of bullshit Obama is having to face from the opposition. He sees nothing wrong with roughly half of the country's politicians doing everything in their power to NOT cooperate, thus doing absolutely nothing positive during their current terms as leaders. He also blames Obama for the right's behavior. It's like a kid being bullied at school every day and blaming the kid instead of the bully.

09-07-2009, 06:32 AM	#66 (permalink)
hotandheavy Upright Location: Western WI	What if the whole thing is a distraction to conservatives to not pay attention to the fact that Eric Holder is beefing up the Justice Dept (hiring 50 new attorneys) to deal with race baiting litigation?

09-07-2009, 07:00 AM	#70 (permalink)
hotandheavy Upright Location: Western WI	Mixed, your kids have already gone through the school system, right? You aren't currently dealing with uber liberal teachers who have an obvious agenda, and school administrators who support them. Since last fall, things have really ramped up in my area. As a family who doesn't support the President's agenda, it is hard for me to sit back and let the biased information flow. I want my kids educated, not indoctrinated. I want them challenged to look at the opposing side of an issue. I'm not worried about my kids. We talk about the days events at the dinner table. I'm fairly confident my seventh grader is the only one in his class who knows who Van Jones is or what eco-apartheid is. Homeschooling is looking more and more appealing.

09-07-2009, 10:01 AM	#74 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Location: Moscow on the Ohio	birthers deathers silencers What's next? There is a legitimate debate to be had about the function of government but it is getting lost in the partisan bull.

09-07-2009, 10:11 AM	#75 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	The text of the speech is available online now. As expected, a lot of incredibly ignorant people are up in arms about literally nothing at all. Again.

09-07-2009, 11:29 AM	#79 (permalink)
hotandheavy Upright Location: Western WI	You assume I'm pulling my kids from class for the address. I am not. I want them to hear their President challenge them to be the best they can be. We can listen without supporting, right? It's not this 18 minute speech (or whatever it is) that concerns me. It is the day to day subtle political agenda that our kids are exposed to. The global warming posters that literally litter every hallway. The poster that reads "I pledge allegiance to the Earth" in the science classroom. The fact that my middle schooler can get birth control without my knowledge. The teacher who still has an Obama '08 bumper sticker on her podium. The lower grades my son receives because he reads "conservative" books to do reports on. ( Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell. ) I see the books that are purchased for the teacher's lounge library. My "smart kids" know more about politics than their peers. My husband is a coach, I am a Girl Scout Leader/classroom volunteer. We interact with a lot of kids. Kids will parrot what their parents believe, and not know why they support a specific ideology. So yes, I do worry about the youth.