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Sorry dc, /threadjack. About the Census, I don't understand how people can contort the Census into something like this. It just comes off as scary that a certain few people can inspire so much fear in select groups that they can make a Census into something evil. |
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The people in this country (and this thread) who are going to balk at filling out the census are the people who have a fight to pick with every facet of government at all times. It must be exhausting
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---------- Post added at 07:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ---------- For the record, in a 2001 Court decision, the Court ruled that both the short form and the long form (American Community Survey) are constitutional. Quote:
...despite the fact that in 1790, at the time of the first census, Madison (the "father of the Constitution" before he became president) spoke for many of his colleagues in promoting the census to "embrace some other objects besides the bare enumeration of the inhabitants; it would enable them to adapt the public measures to the particular circumstances of the community." |
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if you think we're creating boogey men, then I don't really care what else you have to say on the issue, as you're already wrong. It's a dismissive attitude towards a real problem.
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Are conservatives going to participate in the census? Are conservatives going to hurt their cause, representation, funding by not participating in the census? Do you think Beck and a Representative from Minnesota (Michele Bachmann) have the power to have a measurable influence on the issue? My answers are: Yes, No, and No. How do we differ? Or, is it that I am one of your boogy men? Booo! http://www.ghoststudy.com/galleria/j...scaryz1057.jpg |
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2) Madison may have wanted it to expand past enumeration as an efficient way to provide demographics to local governments. It that was the purpose of the current census, I would enthusiastically fill it out. 3) The census is no longer used for the collection of data for distribution to local governments. It is used for distributing federal funds through entitlement programs. Those of us who believe those programs are outside of the duties of the federal government choose not to participate in the means necessary to perpetuate them. 4) The census is not evil. Neither is a gun. It is simply a tool which can become dangerous (to life, liberty, and property) when misused. 5) I understand that you disagee. I am restating my position concisely. |
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Beck is directing people not to fill out the census, people listen to him and agree not to fill it out. By not filling out the census correctly conservatives are hurting funding based on census results and representation. These are clear and irrefutable facts. |
additionally, the people who listen to Beck then tell their like-minded friends what he said, and they do the same. Why ace insists that Beck/whoever's influence is confined to the viewership #'s is beyond me
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The problem with the 1% or 5% in Rush's case that listen (or support that position) to him go to these to town halls, write their congressmen, and fund a lot of political campaigns. This causes a few more percentage to think things aren't good an nothing should be done. Even though they would be better off if it was changed.
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Scarborough is conservative and doesn't share Beck' views on many issues. I am a conservative and I don't share Beck's views on many issues. Should we conclude that your statement is a lie that you and your kind spew are adopted and repeated by almost every single liberal? |
i was going to make a long post refuting your view, ace, but then i decided that it was perhaps more fun and effective to simply post this gil scott-heron song.
if you play it, listen all the way through. the last couple minutes is a summary of what i take your viewpoint to be based on. but getting to those last two minutes is kinda fun. enjoy. |
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First of all I'm not a liberal, second of all, conservative arguments against healthcare and against the census are the same as beck's so do the math. I know many people who are otherwise intellegent except when they try to argue against these issues. When presented with the facts they try to deflect to some totally irrelevant point, typically the way that you do. |
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Not in any way. |
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Every conservative argument on this forum and in the news is exactly the same as becks. Is that a coincidence? |
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I am going to fill out my census form My son is not going to miss Obama's speech next week. I am conservative. I don't even regularly watch Beck's show, The few times I have seen it, I did not like it. |
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Well, at least a bit good news from all of this... the Census just issued a statement that have severed all ties with ACORN beginning immediately!
Stay tuned! |
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