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Old 08-17-2009, 08:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Realities of Bush Administration Start to Come Out

Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins" | Politics | AlterNet

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In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.
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There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

There were always rumors to this sort of thing, but it's no less shocking to find out for sure.
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I can't say I'm shocked that it happened.

I don't care what God anyone chooses to follow, but I have a fundamental issue over anyone who claims to be Christian and advocates war.

Even if you accept the Christian theology allowing a "just war", this was not one as I understand it; but to see it justified by use of obscure elements of the Old Testament (which I was taught became irrelevant with the death of Christ Redeemer) is even more alarming.

I bet the French were not impressed.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't even care that much if a leader believes he needs to invade Iraq to prevent Gog and Magog from rising, if there are other sufficient reasons for war. What I don't get is why he thought it would convince Chirac.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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well, whats more than a little strange about this rapture business as an element of bush administration foreign policy in particular is that it makes some sense of it in ways that it wouldn't without it. the foreshortened sense of the future, the strategic blindness--hell, why bother with strategy if you are expecting a deus ex machina, right?

then there's the idea that cowboy george actually believed he was on a mission from some god and said as much because he really did think that saying it would be persuasive, like it'd let the other leaders in on some secret and maybe get them to climb on board. *that* is peculiar.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 08-18-2009, 12:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:39 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There were always rumors to this sort of thing, but it's no less shocking to find out for sure.
Yes, there can be no doubt about it.

I heard Hillary voted for it as part of her periodic Satanic ritual.
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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While I remain skeptical about this, I would not be surprised if it were true.

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The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice. Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush's invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs".

In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God" in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.
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Old 08-19-2009, 10:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think that there are many other indications of this sort of thing that are not as bombastic as the Iraq war.

I've done some consulting for a firm that has a grant to evaluate P E P F A R, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. Now, some of the religious inspiration for it is quite clear. These include a mandate that 1/3 of prevention spending be on abstinence only education, a ban from using that money on needle exchange, and the so called "anti-prostitution pledge," which basically means that any agency, domestic or foreign, that receives P E P F A R money cannot in any way, even with funds other than those from the US, do any sort of outreach or assistance to prostitutes.


These things are a matter of public record, but what I witnessed as a consultant in this firm went beyond that. Policy evaluation grants usually entail two things, the delivery of a report detailing the specifics they were asked to evaluate, and the "publisheables." That is, secondary publications in academic journals, policy reports, etc. about the program. Often the agency that has the grant has the right to deny any publication that was generated with the grant money. Generally they don't enforce this, as submitting findings for evaluation by the scientific community is a good thing. But in this case, the Bush administration low level staffers in charge of dealing with that company were very strict in terms of what got out of there. The evaluation itself was to be merely about cost effectiveness of treatment, more specifically cost per patient of treatment. No evaluation was to be published on the epidemiology of it, on whether the conditions increased or decreased the prevalence of AIDS, and so on.

Now, of course, many will point out that no one is forced to take that money or to adopt that pledge, and they will be right, but that is beside the point. The point is that, to the tune of 15 billion dollars, the US implemented a plan where AIDS reduction was clearly a secondary goal to moral proselytism.
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Old 08-19-2009, 10:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I find it interesting that they should exclude those who would support prostitutes when Jesus himself is often shown to have associated with Prostitutes, and worse... tax collectors.
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Old 08-20-2009, 12:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I may be somewhat conservative, but I'm so freakin glad Bush is gone and can never come back. I NEVER supported him. he's a complete idiot, and any religious overtones in the presidency sicken me to no end.
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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you bastard! im always too slow >.<

edit: i tried to read the article but found myself drifting to the "drugs" section of the webpage.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Tom Ridge: I Was Pressured To Raise Terror Alert To Help Bush Win

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In a new book, former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge reveals new details on politicization under President Bush, reports US News & World Report's Paul Bedard. Among other things, Ridge admits that he was pressured to raise the terror alert to help Bush win re-election in 2004.
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Ridge was never invited to sit in on National Security Council meetings; was "blindsided" by the FBI in morning Oval Office meetings because the agency withheld critical information from him; found his urgings to block Michael Brown from being named head of the emergency agency blamed for the Hurricane Katrina disaster ignored; and was pushed to raise the security alert on the eve of President Bush's re-election, something he saw as politically motivated and worth resigning over.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Surprised nobody has jumped on the CIA having contracted Black Water to assassinate Al-Qaida members.
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